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88. Excellent OP!
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  -Recipe for voter backlash: Faryn Balyncd  Nov-08-09 10:55 AM   #0 
  - K & R  Le Taz Hot   Nov-08-09 11:05 AM   #1 
  - For all my bitching, I will say one good thing about this bill's passage:  FlyingSquirrel   Nov-08-09 11:06 AM   #2 
  - The tea baggers are the allies of those who wanted to pass this bill. It made it hard to oppose this  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 11:18 AM   #6 
  - Just tell me where you would get the votes for single payer? They weren't there  still_one   Nov-08-09 11:20 AM   #8 
  - See, that's where this thing called "leadership" comes in.  Greyhound   Nov-08-09 11:32 AM   #13 
  - You can have all the leadership in the world, and the blue dogs and republicans would have nothing  still_one   Nov-08-09 11:40 AM   #17 
  - The republiks are, or would be id the Democrats would quit saving them, irrelevant and  Greyhound   Nov-08-09 12:12 PM   #22 
  - Thank you for your usual common sense.  truedelphi   Nov-08-09 05:16 PM   #37 
  - Nice post . . . love Kucinich . .. well, corporate-press has been lying to the public  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:23 AM   #117 
  - Nonsense..  sendero   Nov-08-09 05:04 PM   #34 
  - Word. n/t  truedelphi   Nov-08-09 05:17 PM   #38 
  - In additon, Obama had the advantage of the majority of the people  dflprincess   Nov-08-09 11:21 PM   #61 
  - Obama has already said "The American people will decide if I RUN in 2012"  Lorien   Nov-08-09 11:39 PM   #65 
  - Obama has said a lot of things  dflprincess   Nov-08-09 11:54 PM   #71 
     - Don't believe everything he says? I don't believe anything he says.  SammyWinstonJack   Nov-09-09 10:28 AM   #104 
  - So true. So sad.  tblue   Nov-08-09 11:49 PM   #68 
     - That's where I am too and I thought I wouldn't be doing anymore of that after the election.  SammyWinstonJack   Nov-09-09 10:31 AM   #105 
  - +1 n/t  appal_jack   Nov-09-09 09:38 AM   #100 
  - The filthy rich were the only ones that were bailed out!!! How can you not see this a year later  earth mom   Nov-09-09 02:52 AM   #87 
  - For less than $11 Trillion Obama could have wiped out every mortgage and every credit card debt  fasttense   Nov-09-09 04:31 AM   #89 
  - You're arguing that capitalism "has to be bailed out" . . .????  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:20 AM   #116 
  - Yep. BushCo and Reagan rammed plenty of things through when Dems  Lorien   Nov-08-09 11:34 PM   #64 
  - Exactly, but we're supposed to buy this "can't be done" bullshit time after time?  Greyhound   Nov-08-09 11:49 PM   #69 
  - Can't say that often enough.... Republicans win when they lose ... Dems lose when they win or lose!!  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:28 AM   #118 
  - You got that right  Scruffy1   Nov-09-09 01:22 AM   #80 
  - You got that right  Scruffy1   Nov-09-09 01:22 AM   #81 
  - Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb...  TheEuclideanOne   Nov-09-09 10:15 AM   #102 
     - Thanks, I think it sums up the idea they were going for. n/t  Greyhound   Nov-09-09 09:55 PM   #145 
  - Fuck single payer, how about a public option that functions? Or just out law pre=existing conditions  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 11:59 AM   #20 
  - Oh? How many Senators and Reps do we have? And, don't we have the White House?  pattmarty   Nov-08-09 03:19 PM   #27 
  - We'll never know, will we?  IrateCitizen   Nov-08-09 04:31 PM   #31 
  - How do you know since nobody voted on it? It was not on the table.  Duende azul   Nov-08-09 06:00 PM   #39 
  - That depends on who Congress cared more about  sabrina 1   Nov-08-09 06:40 PM   #45 
  - +1 nt  Lorien   Nov-08-09 11:15 PM   #59 
  - In this health care ... they are cementing corporate "for profit" health care industry in place!!  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:29 AM   #119 
  - Link? Americans overwhelmingly support the idea of single payer when they  Lorien   Nov-08-09 11:12 PM   #58 
  - The "votes" are in the population . . . which the Democrats damn well know -- !!!  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:18 AM   #115 
  - that inconvenient fact is always omitted.  dionysus   Nov-09-09 02:31 PM   #133 
  - If that happens  FlyingSquirrel   Nov-08-09 11:30 AM   #11 
  - But Obama PROMISED to revisit NAFTA  placton   Nov-08-09 04:57 PM   #33 
     - I'm sure he meant to when he said it. but then, there was finding the right dog,  John Q. Citizen   Nov-09-09 01:40 PM   #131 
  - And, that's the "truth" behind your comment. "If" we can hold onto both Houses..........  pattmarty   Nov-08-09 03:17 PM   #26 
  - They will be, because we'll just stay home.  FlyingSquirrel   Nov-08-09 06:29 PM   #43 
     - Yep. And, Nader was right more times than not. Unlike a lot here...........  pattmarty   Nov-08-09 08:19 PM   #50 
     - Agree . . . what the Democrats have always liked least about Nader is his telling TRUTH . . .  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:31 AM   #120 
     - In the macro aspect, he was clearly right  tavalon   Nov-08-09 10:38 PM   #55 
     - If he wasn't right in 2000, he certainly IS right now.  SammyWinstonJack   Nov-09-09 10:38 AM   #106 
  - The tea baggers will eventually die off. I don't see a whole lot of young voter enthusiasm for them.  CTyankee   Nov-09-09 09:11 AM   #99 
  - It's health care loan sharking is what it is. It's a short term fix and a long term nightmare.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 11:09 AM   #3 
  - It provides a foundation that can be remedied. We didn't have the votes for the ideal bill  still_one   Nov-08-09 11:18 AM   #7 
     - Like NAFTA? You are dreaming my friend. It institututionalizes the  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 11:24 AM   #9 
     - This isn't like NAFTA in my view, because it doesn't involve international treaties  still_one   Nov-08-09 11:26 AM   #10 
        - That never stopped us before. What stops us is the powers that be aren't going to change NAFTA  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 11:38 AM   #15 
        - You may be right, but it is all we have now, and that is what we have to work with  still_one   Nov-08-09 11:43 AM   #18 
           - Why do you suppose this is what you have? It's all you were ever going to be allowed to get, my  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 12:24 PM   #23 
        - You are naive my friend.  pattmarty   Nov-08-09 03:26 PM   #28 
     - If we didn't have the votes for the IDEAL bill, then we sure as hell aren't going to have them  bertman   Nov-08-09 06:16 PM   #41 
     - It's a foundation built on corporate cartels. . . . which we're supposed to be knocking over . .. !!  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:38 AM   #121 
  - The nightmare is that the backlash will reward  ThoughtCriminal   Nov-08-09 11:10 AM   #4 
  - The backlash will put Congress back in the control of the repukes. Way  LibDemAlways   Nov-09-09 09:48 AM   #101 
  - and when would we get those votes for the points you mention? Not today we won't  still_one   Nov-08-09 11:17 AM   #5 
  - A loan shark loan saves lives, Bombing Saddam saved lives. But at what cost?  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 11:32 AM   #12 
  - Back in the day when Soc. Security and Medicare came about  truedelphi   Nov-08-09 05:14 PM   #36 
     - And while we're discussing incremental improvements  juno jones   Nov-08-09 07:05 PM   #47 
     - The only silver lining that came about with this bill is that  truedelphi   Nov-09-09 01:38 AM   #85 
     - I got it from Nadinbrezinski  juno jones   Nov-09-09 09:02 AM   #97 
     - "warp the fabric of our democracy"  Enthusiast   Nov-09-09 06:20 AM   #91 
        - Last year, during the height of election fever, a caller into C Span  truedelphi   Nov-09-09 02:29 PM   #132 
           - I'm not so sure about our current  Enthusiast   Nov-09-09 03:10 PM   #135 
              - Toast accepted. Bottoms up.  truedelphi   Nov-09-09 04:59 PM   #138 
                 - I know what you mean. nt  Enthusiast   Nov-10-09 03:43 AM   #146 
     - Another good point by truedelphi.  Enthusiast   Nov-09-09 06:16 AM   #90 
  - It's the right's fault. They are the ones defending the industry.  Joanne98   Nov-08-09 11:34 AM   #14 
  - Right, like Tom Daschle.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 11:39 AM   #16 
     - Daschle is no longer an elected representatives. The only power we have is over who we  still_one   Nov-08-09 11:45 AM   #19 
        - We elected Daschle's close friend. Obama wanted him to run HHS. You know the  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 12:28 PM   #24 
           - I know /nt  still_one   Nov-08-09 08:47 PM   #51 
           - I have not followed this part of things. Who is the friend and  truedelphi   Nov-10-09 02:27 PM   #147 
  - I'm willing to go to jail to oppose fascism  optimator   Nov-08-09 12:04 PM   #21 
  - Your Health Care Plan Just Got Taxed  atomicweeder   Nov-08-09 02:59 PM   #25 
  - There won't be a backlash, because everybody will swallow it...  DutchLiberal   Nov-08-09 04:16 PM   #29 
  - Yes, the public will swallow it UNTIL they get hammered with the skyrocketing premiums which this..  Faryn Balyncd   Nov-08-09 09:04 PM   #52 
  - And when that happens, what will the people do?  DutchLiberal   Nov-09-09 05:22 PM   #141 
  - Many, many of us are doubting him now.  emilyg   Nov-08-09 09:50 PM   #54 
  - Forget Doubting.  StreetKnowledge   Nov-08-09 11:47 PM   #67 
  - Many in the leftwing blogosphere. It doesn't represent the majority of voters.  DutchLiberal   Nov-09-09 05:23 PM   #142 
  - I DOUBT his word! Too bad more don't.  SammyWinstonJack   Nov-09-09 10:46 AM   #108 
  - And as a Kick in the Teeth, Throw in Blatantly Uncostitutional Language  Demeter   Nov-08-09 04:18 PM   #30 
  - Yes is it not funny how many here have overlooked the worst aspect of this  truedelphi   Nov-08-09 05:12 PM   #35 
  - Health Care "reform", bank "reform", welfare "reform", credit "reform", bankruptcy "reform",  Greyhound   Nov-08-09 11:54 PM   #70 
     - Do ya think?  truedelphi   Nov-09-09 01:40 AM   #86 
        - Don't forget Social Security 'reform'. They haven't. Next up!  SammyWinstonJack   Nov-09-09 10:48 AM   #111 
  - It's patriarchal, religious, and corporate-friendly . . . but not MEDICARE FOR ALL . . .  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:40 AM   #122 
  - nexr year and in '12, I will turn out for sure  placton   Nov-08-09 04:55 PM   #32 
  - knr! Thanks! And it's only going to get worse in the Senate....  nightrain   Nov-08-09 06:09 PM   #40 
  - Bam! Home run post. Well said.  Piewhacket   Nov-08-09 06:21 PM   #42 
  - Rec. It makes me very sad that I have to admit that you are right, FarynBalanced.  bertman   Nov-08-09 06:34 PM   #44 
  - The odds? the odds are heavily against us  Lorien   Nov-08-09 11:22 PM   #62 
  - Very depressing, isn't it???  BrklynLiberal   Nov-09-09 12:38 AM   #75 
  - "REAL reform of the Financial Industries" will never happen. Just as  LibDemAlways   Nov-09-09 09:07 AM   #98 
  - Let's not be naive:  Vattel   Nov-08-09 06:50 PM   #46 
  - I think you are right.  Faryn Balyncd   Nov-08-09 07:08 PM   #48 
  - Lyndon Johnson got Medicare thru...He was very shrewd, if not popular.  BrklynLiberal   Nov-09-09 12:37 AM   #74 
  - Personally, I don't think we're blasting Congress sufficiently yet -- let's get at it !!!! MORE!!!!  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:42 AM   #123 
  - To democratic politicians reading this ...  zoff   Nov-08-09 08:18 PM   #49 
  - My guess is it doesn't really bother them.  Amonester   Nov-09-09 12:13 AM   #72 
  - It's clear that it really doesn't bother them. nt  SammyWinstonJack   Nov-09-09 10:51 AM   #112 
     - It's clear we're not doing enough . . . who's in the streets??? Teabaggers not Dems . . .  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:44 AM   #124 
  - K&R  Canuckistanian   Nov-08-09 09:34 PM   #53 
  - That and a high unemployment rate due to a "puny" stimulus plan ought to do it!  Better Believe It   Nov-08-09 11:07 PM   #56 
  - K&R  G_j   Nov-08-09 11:09 PM   #57 
  - k*r First rate, truly n/t  autorank   Nov-08-09 11:17 PM   #60 
  - this whole thing certainly has me thinking  liberal_at_heart   Nov-08-09 11:27 PM   #63 
  - You might have something here.  Enthusiast   Nov-09-09 06:31 AM   #92 
  - Stir, bake, allow to rise . nm  Richard Steele   Nov-08-09 11:42 PM   #66 
  - Excellent analysis. If things continue like this, we will definitely lose the midterm elections.  BrklynLiberal   Nov-09-09 12:36 AM   #73 
  - If the unemployment situation doesn't improve by next November, the  LibDemAlways   Nov-09-09 12:49 AM   #78 
     - We need Democrats to work on jobs and trade protection for American jobs . . .  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:45 AM   #125 
        - The repuke who "represents" my district is  LibDemAlways   Nov-09-09 02:35 PM   #134 
           - Don't know where you are, but we had an article in the town paper the other day . . .  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 04:35 PM   #137 
              - I'm in a repuke-leaning county in Southern Cal just north of  LibDemAlways   Nov-09-09 07:42 PM   #143 
                 - And most of all, don't use the library!!!  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 09:24 PM   #144 
  - Well Said - The Stupefaction Of America Continues  ProleNoMore   Nov-09-09 12:39 AM   #76 
  - "Individual Mandate" = Fascism  New Dawn   Nov-09-09 12:45 AM   #77 
  - If anything is going to piss people off, that will. The Dems are  LibDemAlways   Nov-09-09 01:01 AM   #79 
  - Don't worry, the M$M will frame it as  Enthusiast   Nov-09-09 06:34 AM   #93 
  - "Corporate Communism"  KansDem   Nov-09-09 12:17 PM   #129 
     - I'm glad to see this piece  newspeak   Nov-09-09 05:03 PM   #139 
        - Interesting...  KansDem   Nov-11-09 11:46 AM   #148 
  - But hey, it's a "win"!!  d_b   Nov-09-09 01:27 AM   #82 
  - and party hacks can't stand it when Kucinich's convictions is  cyclezealot   Nov-09-09 01:32 AM   #83 
  - Watch . . . the DLC will be targeting Kucinich and Grayson . . . as they'd targeted Nader . . .  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:45 AM   #126 
     - k i c k  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:47 AM   #127 
  - Thank you so much for this Posting  Techn0Girl   Nov-09-09 01:37 AM   #84 
  - Excellent OP!  earth mom   Nov-09-09 02:59 AM   #88 
  - Ah yes, certainly an "advance" for our cause as I've seen some say  AllyCat   Nov-09-09 07:37 AM   #94 
  - Heh  varelse   Nov-09-09 07:56 AM   #95 
  - Exactly! Forced to pay for mandated health insurance, else risk taxes/fines/penalties from the IRS.  SammyWinstonJack   Nov-09-09 10:59 AM   #114 
  - This is the NAFTA of the Obama administration  quark219   Nov-09-09 07:58 AM   #96 
  - +1  Individualist   Nov-09-09 11:50 AM   #128 
  - Considering our flawed democratic process, maybe it's the best Obama could do.  cyclezealot   Nov-09-09 10:17 AM   #103 
  - Democrats are fooling themselves .. . they'll be put out of office . . .meanwhile .. .  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 10:44 AM   #107 
  - Really fantastic post . . . thank you!!  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 10:47 AM   #109 
  - +1 nt  Last Stand   Nov-09-09 01:23 PM   #130 
  - Thus ensuring the 'game' of the '2' party system continues!  Echo In Light   Nov-09-09 10:48 AM   #110 
  - K&R n/t  Eyerish   Nov-09-09 10:53 AM   #113 
  - I take issue with one thing. It's not a bailout.  Dr.Phool   Nov-09-09 04:01 PM   #136 
  - Kick  Geek_Girl   Nov-09-09 05:05 PM   #140 
  - kick  inna   Nov-11-09 02:04 PM   #149 
  - K&R - Because the truth is lighter than shit. And it tastes better too!  Sunnyshine   Nov-11-09 03:43 PM   #150 
 

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