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67. Forget Doubting.
I am a Dual Citizen and do vote. And I am NOT gonna vote for Obama in 2012. The last ten months have taught me that anybody who can get to the White House will be sucking the dicks of corporate America, and as such no real progressives will get anything resembling power.

In two decades, when this question comes up again - only by the economy will be in much worse shape than now, because by then inflation will making every American poorer - the result will be the same. It'll be the same until the lobbyists get shown the door and their rent boys follow them out. But with both parties and the mainstream media well and truly contaminated by this disease, it's at the point where I think a lot of American progressives need to do what I did.

Move to Canada.

Because here, you know, the views of the public are actually relevant in politics, even when Canada's government head is a douchebag.
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  -Recipe for voter backlash: Faryn Balyncd  Nov-08-09 10:55 AM   #0 
  - K & R  Le Taz Hot   Nov-08-09 11:05 AM   #1 
  - For all my bitching, I will say one good thing about this bill's passage:  FlyingSquirrel   Nov-08-09 11:06 AM   #2 
  - The tea baggers are the allies of those who wanted to pass this bill. It made it hard to oppose this  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 11:18 AM   #6 
  - Just tell me where you would get the votes for single payer? They weren't there  still_one   Nov-08-09 11:20 AM   #8 
  - See, that's where this thing called "leadership" comes in.  Greyhound   Nov-08-09 11:32 AM   #13 
  - You can have all the leadership in the world, and the blue dogs and republicans would have nothing  still_one   Nov-08-09 11:40 AM   #17 
  - The republiks are, or would be id the Democrats would quit saving them, irrelevant and  Greyhound   Nov-08-09 12:12 PM   #22 
  - Thank you for your usual common sense.  truedelphi   Nov-08-09 05:16 PM   #37 
  - Nice post . . . love Kucinich . .. well, corporate-press has been lying to the public  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:23 AM   #117 
  - Nonsense..  sendero   Nov-08-09 05:04 PM   #34 
  - Word. n/t  truedelphi   Nov-08-09 05:17 PM   #38 
  - In additon, Obama had the advantage of the majority of the people  dflprincess   Nov-08-09 11:21 PM   #61 
  - Obama has already said "The American people will decide if I RUN in 2012"  Lorien   Nov-08-09 11:39 PM   #65 
  - Obama has said a lot of things  dflprincess   Nov-08-09 11:54 PM   #71 
     - Don't believe everything he says? I don't believe anything he says.  SammyWinstonJack   Nov-09-09 10:28 AM   #104 
  - So true. So sad.  tblue   Nov-08-09 11:49 PM   #68 
     - That's where I am too and I thought I wouldn't be doing anymore of that after the election.  SammyWinstonJack   Nov-09-09 10:31 AM   #105 
  - +1 n/t  appal_jack   Nov-09-09 09:38 AM   #100 
  - The filthy rich were the only ones that were bailed out!!! How can you not see this a year later  earth mom   Nov-09-09 02:52 AM   #87 
  - For less than $11 Trillion Obama could have wiped out every mortgage and every credit card debt  fasttense   Nov-09-09 04:31 AM   #89 
  - You're arguing that capitalism "has to be bailed out" . . .????  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:20 AM   #116 
  - Yep. BushCo and Reagan rammed plenty of things through when Dems  Lorien   Nov-08-09 11:34 PM   #64 
  - Exactly, but we're supposed to buy this "can't be done" bullshit time after time?  Greyhound   Nov-08-09 11:49 PM   #69 
  - Can't say that often enough.... Republicans win when they lose ... Dems lose when they win or lose!!  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:28 AM   #118 
  - You got that right  Scruffy1   Nov-09-09 01:22 AM   #80 
  - You got that right  Scruffy1   Nov-09-09 01:22 AM   #81 
  - Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb...  TheEuclideanOne   Nov-09-09 10:15 AM   #102 
     - Thanks, I think it sums up the idea they were going for. n/t  Greyhound   Nov-09-09 09:55 PM   #145 
  - Fuck single payer, how about a public option that functions? Or just out law pre=existing conditions  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 11:59 AM   #20 
  - Oh? How many Senators and Reps do we have? And, don't we have the White House?  pattmarty   Nov-08-09 03:19 PM   #27 
  - We'll never know, will we?  IrateCitizen   Nov-08-09 04:31 PM   #31 
  - How do you know since nobody voted on it? It was not on the table.  Duende azul   Nov-08-09 06:00 PM   #39 
  - That depends on who Congress cared more about  sabrina 1   Nov-08-09 06:40 PM   #45 
  - +1 nt  Lorien   Nov-08-09 11:15 PM   #59 
  - In this health care ... they are cementing corporate "for profit" health care industry in place!!  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:29 AM   #119 
  - Link? Americans overwhelmingly support the idea of single payer when they  Lorien   Nov-08-09 11:12 PM   #58 
  - The "votes" are in the population . . . which the Democrats damn well know -- !!!  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:18 AM   #115 
  - that inconvenient fact is always omitted.  dionysus   Nov-09-09 02:31 PM   #133 
  - If that happens  FlyingSquirrel   Nov-08-09 11:30 AM   #11 
  - But Obama PROMISED to revisit NAFTA  placton   Nov-08-09 04:57 PM   #33 
     - I'm sure he meant to when he said it. but then, there was finding the right dog,  John Q. Citizen   Nov-09-09 01:40 PM   #131 
  - And, that's the "truth" behind your comment. "If" we can hold onto both Houses..........  pattmarty   Nov-08-09 03:17 PM   #26 
  - They will be, because we'll just stay home.  FlyingSquirrel   Nov-08-09 06:29 PM   #43 
     - Yep. And, Nader was right more times than not. Unlike a lot here...........  pattmarty   Nov-08-09 08:19 PM   #50 
     - Agree . . . what the Democrats have always liked least about Nader is his telling TRUTH . . .  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:31 AM   #120 
     - In the macro aspect, he was clearly right  tavalon   Nov-08-09 10:38 PM   #55 
     - If he wasn't right in 2000, he certainly IS right now.  SammyWinstonJack   Nov-09-09 10:38 AM   #106 
  - The tea baggers will eventually die off. I don't see a whole lot of young voter enthusiasm for them.  CTyankee   Nov-09-09 09:11 AM   #99 
  - It's health care loan sharking is what it is. It's a short term fix and a long term nightmare.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 11:09 AM   #3 
  - It provides a foundation that can be remedied. We didn't have the votes for the ideal bill  still_one   Nov-08-09 11:18 AM   #7 
     - Like NAFTA? You are dreaming my friend. It institututionalizes the  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 11:24 AM   #9 
     - This isn't like NAFTA in my view, because it doesn't involve international treaties  still_one   Nov-08-09 11:26 AM   #10 
        - That never stopped us before. What stops us is the powers that be aren't going to change NAFTA  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 11:38 AM   #15 
        - You may be right, but it is all we have now, and that is what we have to work with  still_one   Nov-08-09 11:43 AM   #18 
           - Why do you suppose this is what you have? It's all you were ever going to be allowed to get, my  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 12:24 PM   #23 
        - You are naive my friend.  pattmarty   Nov-08-09 03:26 PM   #28 
     - If we didn't have the votes for the IDEAL bill, then we sure as hell aren't going to have them  bertman   Nov-08-09 06:16 PM   #41 
     - It's a foundation built on corporate cartels. . . . which we're supposed to be knocking over . .. !!  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:38 AM   #121 
  - The nightmare is that the backlash will reward  ThoughtCriminal   Nov-08-09 11:10 AM   #4 
  - The backlash will put Congress back in the control of the repukes. Way  LibDemAlways   Nov-09-09 09:48 AM   #101 
  - and when would we get those votes for the points you mention? Not today we won't  still_one   Nov-08-09 11:17 AM   #5 
  - A loan shark loan saves lives, Bombing Saddam saved lives. But at what cost?  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 11:32 AM   #12 
  - Back in the day when Soc. Security and Medicare came about  truedelphi   Nov-08-09 05:14 PM   #36 
     - And while we're discussing incremental improvements  juno jones   Nov-08-09 07:05 PM   #47 
     - The only silver lining that came about with this bill is that  truedelphi   Nov-09-09 01:38 AM   #85 
     - I got it from Nadinbrezinski  juno jones   Nov-09-09 09:02 AM   #97 
     - "warp the fabric of our democracy"  Enthusiast   Nov-09-09 06:20 AM   #91 
        - Last year, during the height of election fever, a caller into C Span  truedelphi   Nov-09-09 02:29 PM   #132 
           - I'm not so sure about our current  Enthusiast   Nov-09-09 03:10 PM   #135 
              - Toast accepted. Bottoms up.  truedelphi   Nov-09-09 04:59 PM   #138 
                 - I know what you mean. nt  Enthusiast   Nov-10-09 03:43 AM   #146 
     - Another good point by truedelphi.  Enthusiast   Nov-09-09 06:16 AM   #90 
  - It's the right's fault. They are the ones defending the industry.  Joanne98   Nov-08-09 11:34 AM   #14 
  - Right, like Tom Daschle.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 11:39 AM   #16 
     - Daschle is no longer an elected representatives. The only power we have is over who we  still_one   Nov-08-09 11:45 AM   #19 
        - We elected Daschle's close friend. Obama wanted him to run HHS. You know the  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 12:28 PM   #24 
           - I know /nt  still_one   Nov-08-09 08:47 PM   #51 
           - I have not followed this part of things. Who is the friend and  truedelphi   Nov-10-09 02:27 PM   #147 
  - I'm willing to go to jail to oppose fascism  optimator   Nov-08-09 12:04 PM   #21 
  - Your Health Care Plan Just Got Taxed  atomicweeder   Nov-08-09 02:59 PM   #25 
  - There won't be a backlash, because everybody will swallow it...  DutchLiberal   Nov-08-09 04:16 PM   #29 
  - Yes, the public will swallow it UNTIL they get hammered with the skyrocketing premiums which this..  Faryn Balyncd   Nov-08-09 09:04 PM   #52 
  - And when that happens, what will the people do?  DutchLiberal   Nov-09-09 05:22 PM   #141 
  - Many, many of us are doubting him now.  emilyg   Nov-08-09 09:50 PM   #54 
  - Forget Doubting.  StreetKnowledge   Nov-08-09 11:47 PM   #67 
  - Many in the leftwing blogosphere. It doesn't represent the majority of voters.  DutchLiberal   Nov-09-09 05:23 PM   #142 
  - I DOUBT his word! Too bad more don't.  SammyWinstonJack   Nov-09-09 10:46 AM   #108 
  - And as a Kick in the Teeth, Throw in Blatantly Uncostitutional Language  Demeter   Nov-08-09 04:18 PM   #30 
  - Yes is it not funny how many here have overlooked the worst aspect of this  truedelphi   Nov-08-09 05:12 PM   #35 
  - Health Care "reform", bank "reform", welfare "reform", credit "reform", bankruptcy "reform",  Greyhound   Nov-08-09 11:54 PM   #70 
     - Do ya think?  truedelphi   Nov-09-09 01:40 AM   #86 
        - Don't forget Social Security 'reform'. They haven't. Next up!  SammyWinstonJack   Nov-09-09 10:48 AM   #111 
  - It's patriarchal, religious, and corporate-friendly . . . but not MEDICARE FOR ALL . . .  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:40 AM   #122 
  - nexr year and in '12, I will turn out for sure  placton   Nov-08-09 04:55 PM   #32 
  - knr! Thanks! And it's only going to get worse in the Senate....  nightrain   Nov-08-09 06:09 PM   #40 
  - Bam! Home run post. Well said.  Piewhacket   Nov-08-09 06:21 PM   #42 
  - Rec. It makes me very sad that I have to admit that you are right, FarynBalanced.  bertman   Nov-08-09 06:34 PM   #44 
  - The odds? the odds are heavily against us  Lorien   Nov-08-09 11:22 PM   #62 
  - Very depressing, isn't it???  BrklynLiberal   Nov-09-09 12:38 AM   #75 
  - "REAL reform of the Financial Industries" will never happen. Just as  LibDemAlways   Nov-09-09 09:07 AM   #98 
  - Let's not be naive:  Vattel   Nov-08-09 06:50 PM   #46 
  - I think you are right.  Faryn Balyncd   Nov-08-09 07:08 PM   #48 
  - Lyndon Johnson got Medicare thru...He was very shrewd, if not popular.  BrklynLiberal   Nov-09-09 12:37 AM   #74 
  - Personally, I don't think we're blasting Congress sufficiently yet -- let's get at it !!!! MORE!!!!  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:42 AM   #123 
  - To democratic politicians reading this ...  zoff   Nov-08-09 08:18 PM   #49 
  - My guess is it doesn't really bother them.  Amonester   Nov-09-09 12:13 AM   #72 
  - It's clear that it really doesn't bother them. nt  SammyWinstonJack   Nov-09-09 10:51 AM   #112 
     - It's clear we're not doing enough . . . who's in the streets??? Teabaggers not Dems . . .  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:44 AM   #124 
  - K&R  Canuckistanian   Nov-08-09 09:34 PM   #53 
  - That and a high unemployment rate due to a "puny" stimulus plan ought to do it!  Better Believe It   Nov-08-09 11:07 PM   #56 
  - K&R  G_j   Nov-08-09 11:09 PM   #57 
  - k*r First rate, truly n/t  autorank   Nov-08-09 11:17 PM   #60 
  - this whole thing certainly has me thinking  liberal_at_heart   Nov-08-09 11:27 PM   #63 
  - You might have something here.  Enthusiast   Nov-09-09 06:31 AM   #92 
  - Stir, bake, allow to rise . nm  Richard Steele   Nov-08-09 11:42 PM   #66 
  - Excellent analysis. If things continue like this, we will definitely lose the midterm elections.  BrklynLiberal   Nov-09-09 12:36 AM   #73 
  - If the unemployment situation doesn't improve by next November, the  LibDemAlways   Nov-09-09 12:49 AM   #78 
     - We need Democrats to work on jobs and trade protection for American jobs . . .  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:45 AM   #125 
        - The repuke who "represents" my district is  LibDemAlways   Nov-09-09 02:35 PM   #134 
           - Don't know where you are, but we had an article in the town paper the other day . . .  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 04:35 PM   #137 
              - I'm in a repuke-leaning county in Southern Cal just north of  LibDemAlways   Nov-09-09 07:42 PM   #143 
                 - And most of all, don't use the library!!!  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 09:24 PM   #144 
  - Well Said - The Stupefaction Of America Continues  ProleNoMore   Nov-09-09 12:39 AM   #76 
  - "Individual Mandate" = Fascism  New Dawn   Nov-09-09 12:45 AM   #77 
  - If anything is going to piss people off, that will. The Dems are  LibDemAlways   Nov-09-09 01:01 AM   #79 
  - Don't worry, the M$M will frame it as  Enthusiast   Nov-09-09 06:34 AM   #93 
  - "Corporate Communism"  KansDem   Nov-09-09 12:17 PM   #129 
     - I'm glad to see this piece  newspeak   Nov-09-09 05:03 PM   #139 
        - Interesting...  KansDem   Nov-11-09 11:46 AM   #148 
  - But hey, it's a "win"!!  d_b   Nov-09-09 01:27 AM   #82 
  - and party hacks can't stand it when Kucinich's convictions is  cyclezealot   Nov-09-09 01:32 AM   #83 
  - Watch . . . the DLC will be targeting Kucinich and Grayson . . . as they'd targeted Nader . . .  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:45 AM   #126 
     - k i c k  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 11:47 AM   #127 
  - Thank you so much for this Posting  Techn0Girl   Nov-09-09 01:37 AM   #84 
  - Excellent OP!  earth mom   Nov-09-09 02:59 AM   #88 
  - Ah yes, certainly an "advance" for our cause as I've seen some say  AllyCat   Nov-09-09 07:37 AM   #94 
  - Heh  varelse   Nov-09-09 07:56 AM   #95 
  - Exactly! Forced to pay for mandated health insurance, else risk taxes/fines/penalties from the IRS.  SammyWinstonJack   Nov-09-09 10:59 AM   #114 
  - This is the NAFTA of the Obama administration  quark219   Nov-09-09 07:58 AM   #96 
  - +1  Individualist   Nov-09-09 11:50 AM   #128 
  - Considering our flawed democratic process, maybe it's the best Obama could do.  cyclezealot   Nov-09-09 10:17 AM   #103 
  - Democrats are fooling themselves .. . they'll be put out of office . . .meanwhile .. .  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 10:44 AM   #107 
  - Really fantastic post . . . thank you!!  defendandprotect   Nov-09-09 10:47 AM   #109 
  - +1 nt  Last Stand   Nov-09-09 01:23 PM   #130 
  - Thus ensuring the 'game' of the '2' party system continues!  Echo In Light   Nov-09-09 10:48 AM   #110 
  - K&R n/t  Eyerish   Nov-09-09 10:53 AM   #113 
  - I take issue with one thing. It's not a bailout.  Dr.Phool   Nov-09-09 04:01 PM   #136 
  - Kick  Geek_Girl   Nov-09-09 05:05 PM   #140 
  - kick  inna   Nov-11-09 02:04 PM   #149 
  - K&R - Because the truth is lighter than shit. And it tastes better too!  Sunnyshine   Nov-11-09 03:43 PM   #150 

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