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Sun Nov-08-09 05:40 PM
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You can start anywhere, but if it is not a credible start, you just get laughed at and can end up nowhere.
Like settling a case in court. If your case is worth about 15K, demanding 25K for a start might not be a bad idea, but demanding 500K for a start might just make you look dumb.
Starting with single payer may have gotten us nowhere. The "socialism" theme would have created a much steeper uphill battle.
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| -For those of you who do not like the House bill and cannot support it at all, what is your plan? |
ncteechur |
Nov-08-09 07:51 AM |
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*Crickets* |
Motown_Johnny |
Nov-08-09 07:56 AM |
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i'm concerned what will happen if it's watered down further in the Senate. |
endless october |
Nov-08-09 08:05 AM |
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How about we dump "reform" and rebrand the bill and create new regulations and a social program |
Go2Peace |
Nov-08-09 11:58 AM |
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A plan that will work ! |
Uben |
Nov-08-09 07:56 AM |
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Shhh...You'll Be Called Names... |
KharmaTrain |
Nov-08-09 08:01 AM |
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Only one problem with your thesis on this. |
mmonk |
Nov-08-09 08:41 AM |
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Has It Ever Been Balanced? |
KharmaTrain |
Nov-08-09 08:44 AM |
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Whenever anything progressive gets passed |
mmonk |
Nov-08-09 08:58 AM |
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if you think that passing this garbage is going to help dems in 2010 |
ixion |
Nov-08-09 08:02 AM |
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Yep. This one will motivate the RW and those on the left |
havocmom |
Nov-08-09 10:00 AM |
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You really think we'll get the same bill they passed through tonight? |
aSpeckofDust |
Nov-08-09 08:03 AM |
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hear hear!! |
tomm2thumbs |
Nov-08-09 08:03 AM |
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my plan is to never vote for another democratic candidate. |
dysfunctional press |
Nov-08-09 08:04 AM |
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aww, poor little thing didn't get everything you wanted |
WI_DEM |
Nov-08-09 08:07 AM |
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actually, i have all i need- i wanted more for others. |
dysfunctional press |
Nov-08-09 08:30 AM |
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good |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 09:28 AM |
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A lot of Democrats had that plan in 1968... |
Yellow Horse |
Nov-08-09 11:27 AM |
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there plan is single payer which would be wonderful but it can't pass |
WI_DEM |
Nov-08-09 08:06 AM |
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Help people like Marcy Winograd get elected. |
mmonk |
Nov-08-09 08:06 AM |
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I'm Adding This To My List... |
KharmaTrain |
Nov-08-09 09:03 AM |
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It's the only way as I see it. Change a few players in your favor. |
mmonk |
Nov-08-09 09:13 AM |
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Let's See What Happens In Reconciliation... |
KharmaTrain |
Nov-08-09 09:22 AM |
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Easy |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Nov-08-09 08:08 AM |
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Fine, I would love single payer-I personally think it is the best option but you still need 218 and |
ncteechur |
Nov-08-09 08:17 AM |
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Single Payer, Democrats get a brain and a backbone to go with it. Fuck the Republicans. |
imdjh |
Nov-08-09 08:31 AM |
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The O/P asked how the Dems will get the votes for an alternative |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 09:27 AM |
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Here's my plan. Vote issues not party. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-08-09 09:04 AM |
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Same here. |
Individualist |
Nov-08-09 09:56 AM |
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What makes the successful European plans work |
woo me with science |
Nov-08-09 09:17 AM |
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To get that you will need campaign finance reform and the Supreme Court will not hear of it. |
ncteechur |
Nov-08-09 09:25 AM |
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Start over with a single-payer or national health plan that |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-08-09 09:23 AM |
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Obama never campaigned on national health care. His campaign never endorsed single payer despite |
ncteechur |
Nov-08-09 09:27 AM |
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So, better late than never |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-08-09 05:20 PM |
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+10. |
kath |
Nov-08-09 11:13 AM |
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You wont get an answer |
HughMoran |
Nov-08-09 09:25 AM |
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here is my answer: |
placton |
Nov-08-09 09:30 AM |
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Cant wait until "12. Besides IMHO Pres Obama isnt the problem here. |
rhett o rick |
Nov-08-09 11:32 AM |
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Too late now for my plan ...... |
Stinky The Clown |
Nov-08-09 09:32 AM |
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Not necessarily |
treestar |
Nov-08-09 05:40 PM |
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Or not |
Stinky The Clown |
Nov-08-09 05:51 PM |
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One idea that I like (heard the other day) but it is not a total plan is... |
ncteechur |
Nov-08-09 09:47 AM |
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Oh a similar idea is in there that takes effect immediately. |
ncteechur |
Nov-08-09 11:01 AM |
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NO bill and just keep the status quo |
stray cat |
Nov-08-09 09:49 AM |
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My plan involves never again compromising my vote |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-08-09 09:49 AM |
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so who could you have elected that would change the outcome with your vote? |
stray cat |
Nov-08-09 09:49 AM |
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So who gets your vote? Cynthia McKinney? That campaign was a smashing |
saltpoint |
Nov-08-09 09:54 AM |
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Nov-08-09 10:19 AM |
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Nov-08-09 10:21 AM |
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Are you claiming that they are not bigoted? Because in no way |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-08-09 11:49 AM |
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I'm right there with you. |
bluetrain |
Nov-08-09 09:35 PM |
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You may as well have asked Republicans why they sat on their hands for 12 years |
DainBramaged |
Nov-08-09 09:52 AM |
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A real option open to all Americans at rates that... |
TCJ70 |
Nov-08-09 09:52 AM |
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SPHC or nothing. |
L0oniX |
Nov-08-09 10:01 AM |
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I'll go with Nikki Stone1's plan |
FlyingSquirrel |
Nov-08-09 10:54 AM |
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To stop my support for this party, |
MadHound |
Nov-08-09 11:04 AM |
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+1 |
kath |
Nov-08-09 11:19 AM |
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Yes, let's get rid of Reps. Weiner and Grayson. They voted for it. |
ncteechur |
Nov-08-09 11:38 AM |
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Move up the timetable to first in line public campaign financing to get RID of the corrupt crooks! |
cascadiance |
Nov-08-09 11:06 AM |
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the "plan" is HR 676, medicare for all.... |
mike_c |
Nov-08-09 11:18 AM |
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Same thing with the nutjobs who want hand-counted paper ballots & shut down election reform... |
Yellow Horse |
Nov-08-09 11:20 AM |
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Hard to be ecstatic about passing a bill by 3 votes that 80% of America was demanding. |
rhett o rick |
Nov-08-09 11:30 AM |
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"80 percent" (most people anyway) are demanding single-payer or a public option... |
JackRiddler |
Nov-08-09 11:43 AM |
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Not hard to understand at all. I agree with you. My point is that the House had to struggle to |
rhett o rick |
Nov-08-09 09:33 PM |
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My plan? |
Cleita |
Nov-08-09 11:31 AM |
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HR 676, but you don't need an alternative to point out that the current bill is bad. |
JackRiddler |
Nov-08-09 11:40 AM |
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How? |
ncteechur |
Nov-08-09 11:44 AM |
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See here |
JackRiddler |
Nov-08-09 11:49 AM |
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"The Plan" has been blocked by leadership for two years. |
Greyhound |
Nov-08-09 11:44 AM |
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Absolutely agree! |
jtrockville |
Nov-08-09 12:36 PM |
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i don't |
mstinamotorcity |
Nov-08-09 05:56 PM |
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It is ridiculous to argue about a bill that will never be passed. This bill will not survive the |
rhett o rick |
Nov-08-09 09:31 PM |
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The purists belong to the Party of No. |
geek tragedy |
Nov-08-09 09:34 PM |
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This is the RESCUE of the private insurance system - it is on the verge of collapse |
debbierlus |
Nov-08-09 09:47 PM |
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