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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 11:04 AM
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45. To stop my support for this party,
And spend the rest of my life working to actively do away with the two party/same corporate master system of government.

If this is the bill that becomes law, then it will be the final proof that I need that Democrats are just as corporately corrupted as the 'Pugs are, and that by continuing to support them, I am working against my own best interests and principles.
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  -For those of you who do not like the House bill and cannot support it at all, what is your plan? ncteechur  Nov-08-09 07:51 AM   #0 
  - *Crickets*  Motown_Johnny   Nov-08-09 07:56 AM   #1 
  - i'm concerned what will happen if it's watered down further in the Senate.  endless october   Nov-08-09 08:05 AM   #8 
  - How about we dump "reform" and rebrand the bill and create new regulations and a social program  Go2Peace   Nov-08-09 11:58 AM   #62 
  - A plan that will work !  Uben   Nov-08-09 07:56 AM   #2 
  - Shhh...You'll Be Called Names...  KharmaTrain   Nov-08-09 08:01 AM   #3 
  - Only one problem with your thesis on this.  mmonk   Nov-08-09 08:41 AM   #16 
     - Has It Ever Been Balanced?  KharmaTrain   Nov-08-09 08:44 AM   #17 
        - Whenever anything progressive gets passed  mmonk   Nov-08-09 08:58 AM   #18 
  - if you think that passing this garbage is going to help dems in 2010  ixion   Nov-08-09 08:02 AM   #4 
  - Yep. This one will motivate the RW and those on the left  havocmom   Nov-08-09 10:00 AM   #39 
  - You really think we'll get the same bill they passed through tonight?  aSpeckofDust   Nov-08-09 08:03 AM   #5 
  - hear hear!!  tomm2thumbs   Nov-08-09 08:03 AM   #6 
  - my plan is to never vote for another democratic candidate.  dysfunctional press   Nov-08-09 08:04 AM   #7 
  - aww, poor little thing didn't get everything you wanted  WI_DEM   Nov-08-09 08:07 AM   #11 
  - actually, i have all i need- i wanted more for others.  dysfunctional press   Nov-08-09 08:30 AM   #14 
  - good  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 09:28 AM   #29 
  - A lot of Democrats had that plan in 1968...  Yellow Horse   Nov-08-09 11:27 AM   #51 
  - there plan is single payer which would be wonderful but it can't pass  WI_DEM   Nov-08-09 08:06 AM   #9 
  - Help people like Marcy Winograd get elected.  mmonk   Nov-08-09 08:06 AM   #10 
  - I'm Adding This To My List...  KharmaTrain   Nov-08-09 09:03 AM   #19 
     - It's the only way as I see it. Change a few players in your favor.  mmonk   Nov-08-09 09:13 AM   #21 
        - Let's See What Happens In Reconciliation...  KharmaTrain   Nov-08-09 09:22 AM   #23 
  - Easy  Orwellian_Ghost   Nov-08-09 08:08 AM   #12 
  - Fine, I would love single payer-I personally think it is the best option but you still need 218 and  ncteechur   Nov-08-09 08:17 AM   #13 
  - Single Payer, Democrats get a brain and a backbone to go with it. Fuck the Republicans.  imdjh   Nov-08-09 08:31 AM   #15 
  - The O/P asked how the Dems will get the votes for an alternative  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 09:27 AM   #28 
  - Here's my plan. Vote issues not party.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-08-09 09:04 AM   #20 
  - Same here.  Individualist   Nov-08-09 09:56 AM   #38 
  - What makes the successful European plans work  woo me with science   Nov-08-09 09:17 AM   #22 
  - To get that you will need campaign finance reform and the Supreme Court will not hear of it.  ncteechur   Nov-08-09 09:25 AM   #25 
  - Start over with a single-payer or national health plan that  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-08-09 09:23 AM   #24 
  - Obama never campaigned on national health care. His campaign never endorsed single payer despite  ncteechur   Nov-08-09 09:27 AM   #27 
  - So, better late than never  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-08-09 05:20 PM   #64 
  - +10.  kath   Nov-08-09 11:13 AM   #47 
  - You wont get an answer  HughMoran   Nov-08-09 09:25 AM   #26 
  - here is my answer:  placton   Nov-08-09 09:30 AM   #30 
  - Cant wait until "12. Besides IMHO Pres Obama isnt the problem here.  rhett o rick   Nov-08-09 11:32 AM   #54 
  - Too late now for my plan ......  Stinky The Clown   Nov-08-09 09:32 AM   #31 
  - Not necessarily  treestar   Nov-08-09 05:40 PM   #65 
     - Or not  Stinky The Clown   Nov-08-09 05:51 PM   #66 
  - One idea that I like (heard the other day) but it is not a total plan is...  ncteechur   Nov-08-09 09:47 AM   #32 
  - Oh a similar idea is in there that takes effect immediately.  ncteechur   Nov-08-09 11:01 AM   #44 
  - NO bill and just keep the status quo  stray cat   Nov-08-09 09:49 AM   # 
  - My plan involves never again compromising my vote  Bluenorthwest   Nov-08-09 09:49 AM   #33 
  - so who could you have elected that would change the outcome with your vote?  stray cat   Nov-08-09 09:49 AM   #34 
  - So who gets your vote? Cynthia McKinney? That campaign was a smashing  saltpoint   Nov-08-09 09:54 AM   #37 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-08-09 10:19 AM   #41 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-08-09 10:21 AM   #42 
        - Are you claiming that they are not bigoted? Because in no way  Bluenorthwest   Nov-08-09 11:49 AM   #61 
  - I'm right there with you.  bluetrain   Nov-08-09 09:35 PM   #71 
  - You may as well have asked Republicans why they sat on their hands for 12 years  DainBramaged   Nov-08-09 09:52 AM   #35 
  - A real option open to all Americans at rates that...  TCJ70   Nov-08-09 09:52 AM   #36 
  - SPHC or nothing.  L0oniX   Nov-08-09 10:01 AM   #40 
  - I'll go with Nikki Stone1's plan  FlyingSquirrel   Nov-08-09 10:54 AM   #43 
  - To stop my support for this party,  MadHound   Nov-08-09 11:04 AM   #45 
  - +1  kath   Nov-08-09 11:19 AM   #49 
     - Yes, let's get rid of Reps. Weiner and Grayson. They voted for it.  ncteechur   Nov-08-09 11:38 AM   #55 
  - Move up the timetable to first in line public campaign financing to get RID of the corrupt crooks!  cascadiance   Nov-08-09 11:06 AM   #46 
  - the "plan" is HR 676, medicare for all....  mike_c   Nov-08-09 11:18 AM   #48 
  - Same thing with the nutjobs who want hand-counted paper ballots & shut down election reform...  Yellow Horse   Nov-08-09 11:20 AM   #50 
  - Hard to be ecstatic about passing a bill by 3 votes that 80% of America was demanding.  rhett o rick   Nov-08-09 11:30 AM   #52 
  - "80 percent" (most people anyway) are demanding single-payer or a public option...  JackRiddler   Nov-08-09 11:43 AM   #57 
     - Not hard to understand at all. I agree with you. My point is that the House had to struggle to  rhett o rick   Nov-08-09 09:33 PM   #69 
  - My plan?  Cleita   Nov-08-09 11:31 AM   #53 
  - HR 676, but you don't need an alternative to point out that the current bill is bad.  JackRiddler   Nov-08-09 11:40 AM   #56 
  - How?  ncteechur   Nov-08-09 11:44 AM   #58 
     - See here  JackRiddler   Nov-08-09 11:49 AM   #60 
  - "The Plan" has been blocked by leadership for two years.  Greyhound   Nov-08-09 11:44 AM   #59 
  - Absolutely agree!  jtrockville   Nov-08-09 12:36 PM   #63 
  - i don't  mstinamotorcity   Nov-08-09 05:56 PM   #67 
  - It is ridiculous to argue about a bill that will never be passed. This bill will not survive the  rhett o rick   Nov-08-09 09:31 PM   #68 
  - The purists belong to the Party of No.  geek tragedy   Nov-08-09 09:34 PM   #70 
  - This is the RESCUE of the private insurance system - it is on the verge of collapse  debbierlus   Nov-08-09 09:47 PM   #72 

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