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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 11:35 PM
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51. I am not a women, and I am not happy about that amendment. I also want that taken
out of the final bill. I don't know if you saw CSPAN, but they had a bunch of blue dogs up there with the implication that it most likely would not have passed without that amendment

The only good thing is they at least put rape, incest, and the life of the Mother as exception

Hopefully, when it gets to the Senate that will be modified, at the minimum, not to interfere with abortion for private insurers at the very least

I also question the legality of the amendment, since abortion is legal today

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  -Even though we may get a bill that we may not all agree on, it at least serves as a base still_one  Nov-07-09 05:44 PM   #0 
  - Bad bill. No excuse.  Davis_X_Machina   Nov-07-09 05:46 PM   #1 
  - Where are you going to get the votes for single-payer today? You're not. Throw the baby out  still_one   Nov-07-09 05:57 PM   #10 
  - In my dreams I see unicorns. Funny how you see single payer funded by a  ChimpersMcSmirkers   Nov-07-09 06:06 PM   #14 
  - What did Churchill say?  sandnsea   Nov-07-09 05:46 PM   #2 
  - The exception I see with this, though, is that we had the model  gateley   Nov-07-09 05:49 PM   #3 
     - I just don't get that thinking  sandnsea   Nov-07-09 05:53 PM   #7 
        - Yeah, I flop back and forth between your opinion, and thinking we could have  gateley   Nov-07-09 09:54 PM   #47 
  - Exactly. And if the base for the future direction aint too hot, thats just more to be dismayed with  Oregone   Nov-07-09 05:50 PM   #4 
  - That ain't your foot  notesdev   Nov-07-09 05:51 PM   #5 
  - Good post - K&R  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 05:52 PM   #6 
  - I took the other side for quite a few months, but after critical thinking, we have to start  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:01 PM   #11 
     - I am very impressed  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 06:14 PM   #19 
     - Don't give me that much credit, but it is like you said coming to the realization that  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:21 PM   #25 
     - Thank you, stillone, for being  Cha   Nov-07-09 06:50 PM   #41 
  - I hope you are right  kaehele   Nov-07-09 05:53 PM   #8 
  - I don't know what is right or wrong, but I believe that we have to get something or we  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:04 PM   #13 
     - Well, I'm willing to hope  kaehele   Nov-07-09 06:31 PM   #32 
  - Think it will be another 95 years for a bit of reform of the reform.  ipaint   Nov-07-09 05:54 PM   #9 
  - There is no way you will get the votes for medicare for all today. However, if you at least  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:10 PM   #17 
     - A legal mandate with no cost controls is not a foot in the door. n/t  ipaint   Nov-07-09 06:34 PM   #34 
  - As Dems we have learned to be "dogs under the table"...  lib2DaBone   Nov-07-09 06:01 PM   #12 
  - A "base" that doesn't cover most Americans, and eliminates women's rights. Wowee. Just what I want.  saracat   Nov-07-09 06:06 PM   #15 
  - Really. How does it compare to the system today? I didn't say it should make one happy  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:16 PM   #21 
  - Do you think things will move in favor of the people  Desertrose   Nov-07-09 06:20 PM   #22 
  - Do you really think that if you can't get the "ideal" bill, that you will have a chance later?  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:28 PM   #30 
  - Gosh, do you think they will change NAFTA too? Are you in the market for some beans?  John Q. Citizen   Nov-07-09 06:30 PM   #31 
  - See, they didn't give us functioning public option because we said, Oh OK. It's better that nothing.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-07-09 06:20 PM   #24 
  - It will also make insurance companies subject to anti-trust legislation..  annabanana   Nov-07-09 06:08 PM   #16 
  - I don't think that was put in. I could be wrong. I think that is in the judiciary committee.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-07-09 06:22 PM   #26 
  - I don't believe health care reform has to be magic, That it only happens at certain magical times.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-07-09 06:12 PM   #18 
  - A shit sandwich will never become caviar.  Stinky The Clown   Nov-07-09 06:16 PM   #20 
  - and cutting your nose off to spite your face, will get you nothing either /nt  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:24 PM   #28 
  - You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. But you can play pretend.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-07-09 06:25 PM   #29 
     - We can continue to throw cliques at each other, and that is nice, but  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:33 PM   #33 
        - What about if they triple your premiums?  John Q. Citizen   Nov-07-09 06:36 PM   #36 
           - As I understand it they have a group to insure that doesn't happen. There is nothing  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:40 PM   #38 
              - There are no price controls. Have you read the bill? Let me ask you this;  John Q. Citizen   Nov-07-09 06:49 PM   #40 
                 - Yes I have.  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:56 PM   #44 
                    - Yet there is no way to stop excessive price increases. It has no teeth and no mechanism to  John Q. Citizen   Nov-07-09 08:13 PM   #46 
  - It takes far too much from Medicare. And it will be SLOW to change  WeCanWorkItOut   Nov-07-09 06:20 PM   #23 
  - How will it hurt Medicare? Where are you getting that from? That is absolutely wrong  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:23 PM   #27 
     - It cuts 400 +billion out of Medicare. That's how they got the numbers to be  John Q. Citizen   Nov-07-09 06:39 PM   #37 
        - The bill says it will NOT cut seniors' benefits in any way  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:52 PM   #42 
           - This from the CBO  John Q. Citizen   Nov-07-09 07:53 PM   #45 
              - I don't know either, but I would like to think that this is the first step toward single payer for  still_one   Nov-07-09 11:00 PM   #49 
                 - Unless you are a woman who needs an abortian, that is. Then not so much.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-07-09 11:18 PM   #50 
                    - I am not a women, and I am not happy about that amendment. I also want that taken  still_one   Nov-07-09 11:35 PM   #51 
                       - What progressive vestige do you think the Senate will kill first? I bet they  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 12:27 AM   #52 
  - a base made of quicksand.  Individualist   Nov-07-09 06:35 PM   #35 
  - So you believe it is worse than what we have now I take it? Because if this doesn't pass  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:47 PM   #39 
  - It's more like a stool.  kenny blankenship   Nov-07-09 06:52 PM   #43 
  - We're going to be right back at square one regardless.  AngryOldDem   Nov-07-09 09:55 PM   #48 
  - Like how we fixed NAFTA?  Raineyb   Nov-08-09 12:29 AM   #53 

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