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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-07-09 05:51 PM
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5. That ain't your foot
it's the foot of someone who doesn't have your best interests in mind.
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  -Even though we may get a bill that we may not all agree on, it at least serves as a base still_one  Nov-07-09 05:44 PM   #0 
  - Bad bill. No excuse.  Davis_X_Machina   Nov-07-09 05:46 PM   #1 
  - Where are you going to get the votes for single-payer today? You're not. Throw the baby out  still_one   Nov-07-09 05:57 PM   #10 
  - In my dreams I see unicorns. Funny how you see single payer funded by a  ChimpersMcSmirkers   Nov-07-09 06:06 PM   #14 
  - What did Churchill say?  sandnsea   Nov-07-09 05:46 PM   #2 
  - The exception I see with this, though, is that we had the model  gateley   Nov-07-09 05:49 PM   #3 
     - I just don't get that thinking  sandnsea   Nov-07-09 05:53 PM   #7 
        - Yeah, I flop back and forth between your opinion, and thinking we could have  gateley   Nov-07-09 09:54 PM   #47 
  - Exactly. And if the base for the future direction aint too hot, thats just more to be dismayed with  Oregone   Nov-07-09 05:50 PM   #4 
  - That ain't your foot  notesdev   Nov-07-09 05:51 PM   #5 
  - Good post - K&R  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 05:52 PM   #6 
  - I took the other side for quite a few months, but after critical thinking, we have to start  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:01 PM   #11 
     - I am very impressed  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 06:14 PM   #19 
     - Don't give me that much credit, but it is like you said coming to the realization that  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:21 PM   #25 
     - Thank you, stillone, for being  Cha   Nov-07-09 06:50 PM   #41 
  - I hope you are right  kaehele   Nov-07-09 05:53 PM   #8 
  - I don't know what is right or wrong, but I believe that we have to get something or we  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:04 PM   #13 
     - Well, I'm willing to hope  kaehele   Nov-07-09 06:31 PM   #32 
  - Think it will be another 95 years for a bit of reform of the reform.  ipaint   Nov-07-09 05:54 PM   #9 
  - There is no way you will get the votes for medicare for all today. However, if you at least  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:10 PM   #17 
     - A legal mandate with no cost controls is not a foot in the door. n/t  ipaint   Nov-07-09 06:34 PM   #34 
  - As Dems we have learned to be "dogs under the table"...  lib2DaBone   Nov-07-09 06:01 PM   #12 
  - A "base" that doesn't cover most Americans, and eliminates women's rights. Wowee. Just what I want.  saracat   Nov-07-09 06:06 PM   #15 
  - Really. How does it compare to the system today? I didn't say it should make one happy  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:16 PM   #21 
  - Do you think things will move in favor of the people  Desertrose   Nov-07-09 06:20 PM   #22 
  - Do you really think that if you can't get the "ideal" bill, that you will have a chance later?  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:28 PM   #30 
  - Gosh, do you think they will change NAFTA too? Are you in the market for some beans?  John Q. Citizen   Nov-07-09 06:30 PM   #31 
  - See, they didn't give us functioning public option because we said, Oh OK. It's better that nothing.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-07-09 06:20 PM   #24 
  - It will also make insurance companies subject to anti-trust legislation..  annabanana   Nov-07-09 06:08 PM   #16 
  - I don't think that was put in. I could be wrong. I think that is in the judiciary committee.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-07-09 06:22 PM   #26 
  - I don't believe health care reform has to be magic, That it only happens at certain magical times.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-07-09 06:12 PM   #18 
  - A shit sandwich will never become caviar.  Stinky The Clown   Nov-07-09 06:16 PM   #20 
  - and cutting your nose off to spite your face, will get you nothing either /nt  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:24 PM   #28 
  - You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. But you can play pretend.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-07-09 06:25 PM   #29 
     - We can continue to throw cliques at each other, and that is nice, but  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:33 PM   #33 
        - What about if they triple your premiums?  John Q. Citizen   Nov-07-09 06:36 PM   #36 
           - As I understand it they have a group to insure that doesn't happen. There is nothing  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:40 PM   #38 
              - There are no price controls. Have you read the bill? Let me ask you this;  John Q. Citizen   Nov-07-09 06:49 PM   #40 
                 - Yes I have.  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:56 PM   #44 
                    - Yet there is no way to stop excessive price increases. It has no teeth and no mechanism to  John Q. Citizen   Nov-07-09 08:13 PM   #46 
  - It takes far too much from Medicare. And it will be SLOW to change  WeCanWorkItOut   Nov-07-09 06:20 PM   #23 
  - How will it hurt Medicare? Where are you getting that from? That is absolutely wrong  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:23 PM   #27 
     - It cuts 400 +billion out of Medicare. That's how they got the numbers to be  John Q. Citizen   Nov-07-09 06:39 PM   #37 
        - The bill says it will NOT cut seniors' benefits in any way  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:52 PM   #42 
           - This from the CBO  John Q. Citizen   Nov-07-09 07:53 PM   #45 
              - I don't know either, but I would like to think that this is the first step toward single payer for  still_one   Nov-07-09 11:00 PM   #49 
                 - Unless you are a woman who needs an abortian, that is. Then not so much.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-07-09 11:18 PM   #50 
                    - I am not a women, and I am not happy about that amendment. I also want that taken  still_one   Nov-07-09 11:35 PM   #51 
                       - What progressive vestige do you think the Senate will kill first? I bet they  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 12:27 AM   #52 
  - a base made of quicksand.  Individualist   Nov-07-09 06:35 PM   #35 
  - So you believe it is worse than what we have now I take it? Because if this doesn't pass  still_one   Nov-07-09 06:47 PM   #39 
  - It's more like a stool.  kenny blankenship   Nov-07-09 06:52 PM   #43 
  - We're going to be right back at square one regardless.  AngryOldDem   Nov-07-09 09:55 PM   #48 
  - Like how we fixed NAFTA?  Raineyb   Nov-08-09 12:29 AM   #53 

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