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130. I did SO and please DO stop wasting our time...
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  -Stopping Nuts With Guns - Myths and Reality ddeclue  Apr-18-07 08:05 PM   #0 
  - #4: Blame the victims  fishnfla   Apr-18-07 08:20 PM   #1 
  - I cover that myth and why it's a bad idea for everyone to "pack heat"  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 08:23 PM   #2 
  - That's the most sensible thing I have read yet on this topic  alarimer   Apr-18-07 08:31 PM   #3 
  - "Loners"  Xap   Apr-18-07 08:52 PM   #4 
  - No...I'm suggesting a common sense approach...  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 09:09 PM   #9 
  - Timothy McVeigh, for one, would have easily passed your test. n/t  Xap   Apr-18-07 09:33 PM   #16 
     - No he wouldn't have...  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 09:38 PM   #17 
  - There are loners and there are loners  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-18-07 10:03 PM   #26 
     - Yeah, you're right...but it would be good to spend a few minutes  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 10:13 PM   #28 
  - About Amadou Diallo ...  Jim__   Apr-18-07 08:54 PM   #5 
  - My apologies about the alley...actually kind of makes Gladwell's point...  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 09:29 PM   #14 
  - Enjoy your crusade. You ain't getting MY guns, bubba.  karlrschneider   Apr-18-07 08:57 PM   #6 
  - Karl:  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 09:14 PM   #11 
  - Well, I never said I was against realistic controls (good background checks.)  karlrschneider   Apr-18-07 09:50 PM   #23 
     - Tired tired cliches....  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 09:58 PM   #25 
        - OMG, I hardly know where to start, Doug!  karlrschneider   Apr-18-07 10:38 PM   #35 
        - 30% of the country smokes..it used to be 50%... 70% drinks...  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 11:05 PM   # 
           - You're funny.  karlrschneider   Apr-18-07 11:09 PM   #60 
              - You don't understand a hypothetical???  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 11:13 PM   #65 
        - ddclue, don't bother arguing with someone who uses terms like "gun grabbers."  Redstone   Apr-18-07 11:00 PM   #54 
        - karl isn't a nut job..."gun grabbers" to the contrary...  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 11:06 PM   #58 
           - Well, shit. Hey Doug, I apologize. This subject makes us all a little nuts I guess.  karlrschneider   Apr-18-07 11:20 PM   #72 
        - Bullshit and "feelgood"...  TnDem   Apr-18-07 11:32 PM   #87 
        - Dude, I live in the south and I understand and have shot guns...  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 11:38 PM   #91 
        - You have lost your mind?....  TnDem   Apr-18-07 11:59 PM   #100 
           - NO - HAVE YOU????  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 12:13 AM   #106 
              - So I guess....  TnDem   Apr-19-07 12:18 AM   #110 
              - Well I GUESS THE HELL NOT...they don't know what they are talking about.  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 12:33 AM   #116 
                 - OK then....  TnDem   Apr-19-07 01:07 AM   #145 
                 - Well except for Senator BILL NELSON of FLORIDA..  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 01:11 AM   #148 
                 - Ignore the Berkeley comments -- it's a private obsession with TnDem  jgraz   Apr-19-07 01:13 AM   #149 
                    - Yeah and I WAS a Tennessee Democrat myself...  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 01:25 AM   #154 
                       - Damn, I love Tennessee  jgraz   Apr-19-07 01:29 AM   #157 
              - and don't forget: Gore and Kerry didn't actually lose  jgraz   Apr-19-07 12:40 AM   #120 
                 - Thanks for your support but I don't agree...  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 12:42 AM   #123 
                 - Different debate for another time  jgraz   Apr-19-07 12:56 AM   #133 
                 - I've been through it all...where was the fraud in 2006?  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 01:00 AM   #140 
                    - Like I said, we should talk some other time  jgraz   Apr-19-07 01:05 AM   #144 
                 - Wake up!  Swamp Rat   Apr-19-07 12:57 AM   #135 
                    - Damn..that'll do it... I'll have a nightmare tonight now..  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 12:59 AM   #138 
                       - The nightmare is reality...  Swamp Rat   Apr-19-07 01:01 AM   #141 
                 - Exactly!!  Swamp Rat   Apr-19-07 12:58 AM   #137 
                    - (((Swamp)))  Gelliebeans   Apr-19-07 05:45 AM   #187 
                       - Gelliebeans!!  Swamp Rat   Apr-19-07 05:46 AM   #188 
        - Dude, I live in the south and I understand and have shot guns...  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 11:38 PM   #92 
        - Sorry for the double posts... what's up with DU tonight..why so slow...n/t  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 11:40 PM   #93 
        - ahem...  orleans   Apr-19-07 02:55 AM   #175 
           - That's important too but I still want to talk to his friends, family, and coworkers  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 03:01 AM   #177 
           - there is no guarantee that the gun store owner's judgment would  orleans   Apr-19-07 03:15 AM   #179 
              - There IS no magic bullet - not even MY idea is a magic bullet.  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 03:22 AM   #181 
           - Hospitilized  Thothmes   Apr-19-07 08:46 AM   #192 
              - ok...then maybe anyone being treated with mental problems  orleans   Apr-19-07 02:18 PM   #200 
        - Uhhhh.....  Dr_eldritch   Apr-19-07 02:53 AM   #174 
           - Hey it's been done in many a country over the decades...  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 03:05 AM   #178 
  - God, Karl. You are so....frightened. And paranoid.  Beausoir   Apr-18-07 09:32 PM   #15 
  - You sound like a right wingnut. Nothing happened to me. Why?  karlrschneider   Apr-18-07 09:39 PM   #18 
     - Except that you really WOULDN'T be effective - you just think you would.  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 09:41 PM   #20 
     - That's just silly. I'm a former cop and a VERY good shot.  karlrschneider   Apr-18-07 09:53 PM   #24 
     - It doesn't matter because that "perp" has the drop on you..  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 10:11 PM   #27 
        - I'll try to remember to reply tomorrow, I have an early flight and need some sleep.  karlrschneider   Apr-18-07 10:25 PM   #29 
        - Oh dear God... I hope this is a private flight and not on the airlines...  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 10:30 PM   #30 
        - I'm DRIVING the airplane.  karlrschneider   Apr-18-07 10:39 PM   #36 
           - And still I don't think a gun in the cockpit is a good idea...stick to flying...  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 11:07 PM   #59 
        - Pack a flashlight, a handheld aviation radio and a GPS...you're more likely to need them n/t.  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 10:32 PM   #32 
           - Very true, but,  ManiacJoe   Apr-19-07 12:38 AM   #119 
              - Nope..I was an Eagle Scout... better to not have the gun because  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 12:58 AM   #136 
                 - You, too? Congrats!  ManiacJoe   Apr-19-07 01:39 AM   #162 
                    - It's not the pure gun accidents a la Cheney I'm talking about...  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 01:50 AM   #166 
                       - Mistakes happen.  ManiacJoe   Apr-19-07 02:28 AM   #170 
                          - I disagree that friend vs foe ID is easy or accurate.  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 02:51 AM   #173 
                             - It really is not that hard for civilians.  ManiacJoe   Apr-19-07 03:38 AM   #185 
        - Ouch. A voice of reason punctuates Karl-Wyatt-Earp's balloon of invincibility.  Beausoir   Apr-18-07 11:04 PM   #56 
        - I think that's a bit extreme to characterize him that way...  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 11:10 PM   #61 
           - You don't trust him with a gun but you trust him with a plane?  Beausoir   Apr-18-07 11:13 PM   #64 
              - OK...to explain...  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 11:16 PM   #67 
                 - OK. I see your point. But I still don't feel safe with gun-crazy guys flying around in planes.  Beausoir   Apr-18-07 11:20 PM   #74 
                 - Right idea, but not accurate in the details.  ManiacJoe   Apr-19-07 12:52 AM   #128 
                    - No Joe I AM a pilot and an aerospace engineer to boot...  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 01:08 AM   #146 
                       - Right on the money.  ManiacJoe   Apr-19-07 01:50 AM   #165 
                          - No you are just wrong and don't know what you are talking about  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 02:04 AM   #168 
                             - Sounds like we are mostly in agreement and now just  ManiacJoe   Apr-19-07 02:34 AM   #171 
        - Doug is slowly beginning to understand the dynamics.  ManiacJoe   Apr-19-07 12:33 AM   # 
        - Nicely put. What amazes me is that so many here would rather the potential victims  karlrschneider   Apr-19-07 12:40 AM   #121 
        - Come on karl..that's just so lame and insultingly not true...  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 01:20 AM   # 
        - Come on karl..that's just so lame and insultingly not true...  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 01:20 AM   #151 
        - Come on karl..that's just so lame and insultingly not true...  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 01:20 AM   #152 
        - Guns were banned on Campus... How did Cho get one onto campus?  Dr_eldritch   Apr-19-07 02:45 AM   #172 
           - Well because how was that actually enforced other than the honor system?  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 03:25 AM   #182 
        - NO I DO understand the dynamics entirely. It is YOU who fail to understand  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 12:40 AM   #122 
           - I understand better than most.  ManiacJoe   Apr-19-07 01:29 AM   #156 
           - No the human brain is usually a fuckup when it comes to split second decision making.  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 01:45 AM   #164 
              - OK, you got me.  ManiacJoe   Apr-19-07 02:01 AM   #167 
                 - I don't have the experience of a "gun" decision but:  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 02:15 AM   #169 
                    - Sounds like you are doing OK to me.  ManiacJoe   Apr-19-07 02:59 AM   #176 
                       - Yeah but most people DON'T get the chance to learn from their mistakes  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 03:16 AM   #180 
           - "you will never get the chance to shoot your gun"  Nabeshin   Apr-19-07 04:55 AM   #186 
        - Wait -- that's not how it would go at all!  jgraz   Apr-19-07 12:51 AM   #127 
           - Bwa hah hah...  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 12:56 AM   #134 
              - BTW, fucking awesome OP  jgraz   Apr-19-07 01:00 AM   #139 
                 - Thanks..I've been at it a while...  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 01:02 AM   #143 
     - And, ddclue, don't waste your time trying to talk to someone who resorts to the words  Redstone   Apr-18-07 11:03 PM   #55 
        - BTW, Redstone? May I remind you...  Beausoir   Apr-18-07 11:17 PM   #68 
           - I'm sorry. The OP did such a great job that I could NOT just stand by and watch.  Redstone   Apr-18-07 11:24 PM   #79 
              - Yep. That's why I'm here too. I am not very reasonable most of the time, but he made it clear  Beausoir   Apr-18-07 11:29 PM   #85 
     - Oh.. and P.S. this "craven coward" has stopped a robbery UNARMED  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 09:48 PM   #22 
     - Uh...your reply proves my point. You are so terribly frightened. You are frightened by life.  Beausoir   Apr-18-07 10:56 PM   #47 
     - Ignored  karlrschneider   Apr-18-07 10:58 PM   #52 
     - Your ignore list must be HUGE by now. Here's an idea....  Beausoir   Apr-18-07 11:26 PM   #82 
     - STOP!!  Madspirit   Apr-18-07 11:59 PM   #101 
        - Madspirit, listen to me, please.  Redstone   Apr-19-07 12:11 AM   #105 
        - I don't own a gun Redstone, my friend.  Madspirit   Apr-19-07 12:33 AM   #114 
           - Yes. Yes to all you said.  Redstone   Apr-19-07 12:43 AM   #124 
           - Fear is not a good way to live your life..  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 12:52 AM   #129 
              - ...yeah...but...  Madspirit   Apr-19-07 01:09 AM   #147 
                 - I DO live very much in the real world and I'm NOT after your gun..that's your delusion.  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 01:23 AM   #153 
        - Thanks. There must have been a big DU sale on rose-colored glasses I missed out on.  karlrschneider   Apr-19-07 12:35 AM   #118 
        - You're welcome!  Madspirit   Apr-19-07 05:11 PM   #203 
        - We already have a well-armed citzenry which is too cowardly--  eridani   Apr-20-07 03:15 AM   #205 
     - Yeah Karl, we're the craven cowards  jgraz   Apr-19-07 01:02 AM   #142 
  - Living in farming areas,  mycritters2   Apr-18-07 10:56 PM   #49 
  - All of this is meaningless  EstimatedProphet   Apr-18-07 09:05 PM   #7 
  - He has experience being HUMAN doesn't he?  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 09:22 PM   #12 
  - No, I disagree  EstimatedProphet   Apr-19-07 07:09 AM   #191 
  - Observation  Thothmes   Apr-19-07 08:53 AM   #193 
     - Are you sure on that?  EstimatedProphet   Apr-19-07 11:06 AM   #198 
  - Delete, server blunder  EstimatedProphet   Apr-18-07 09:05 PM   #8 
  - Guns weren't the problem here. That you can use term "nuts"  sfexpat2000   Apr-18-07 09:10 PM   #10 
  - No NUTS PLUS GUNS was the problem.  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 09:26 PM   #13 
  - Agreed. Thank you! eom.  Artiechoke   Apr-18-07 10:54 PM   #45 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-07 09:39 PM   #19 
  - Ahh the ad-hominem attack when you have nothing real to contribute...  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 09:42 PM   #21 
  - About those myths...  beevul   Apr-18-07 10:31 PM   #31 
  - UH..NOT SO MUCH...  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 10:56 PM   #48 
  - UH..NOT SO MUCH...  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 10:56 PM   #50 
  - So...  beevul   Apr-18-07 11:45 PM   #98 
     - I DID debate in good faith..you didn't...  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 12:15 AM   #108 
        - Saying you did, and I didn't doesnt make it so. N/T  beevul   Apr-19-07 12:20 AM   #111 
           - I DID justify everyone of my points using elementary logic.  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 12:26 AM   #113 
              - You did NOTHING of the sort.  beevul   Apr-19-07 12:33 AM   #115 
                 - I did SO and please DO stop wasting our time...  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 12:53 AM   #130 
  - "Mikael Gross and Tracy Bridges"  jgraz   Apr-19-07 01:27 AM   #155 
     - Yeah, Ignore Joel Myrick.  beevul   Apr-19-07 03:31 AM   #184 
        - In other words: Please let me hang onto the one fantasy that lets me keep my guns  jgraz   Apr-19-07 10:28 AM   #197 
  - Fuck if I AM  symbolman   Apr-18-07 10:35 PM   #33 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-07 10:42 PM   #37 
  - Well call me a shitbag then  proud2Blib   Apr-18-07 10:49 PM   #41 
  - Ask and you shall receive.  karlrschneider   Apr-18-07 10:52 PM   #44 
     - And what, specifically, is wrong with her being a female from Kansas? Care to elaborate?  Redstone   Apr-18-07 11:12 PM   #63 
     - Nothing "wrong" with either. Not at all. You aren't responsible for the idiotic policies  karlrschneider   Apr-18-07 11:23 PM   #78 
        - And what difference does that make? Good God, to think you actually fly airplanes with  Redstone   Apr-18-07 11:26 PM   #83 
           - Check your DUmail before you get into serious trouble.  karlrschneider   Apr-18-07 11:28 PM   #84 
              - I'm no stranger to trouble. But see my last reply first.  Redstone   Apr-18-07 11:43 PM   #97 
     - Actually I live in a big city  proud2Blib   Apr-19-07 09:15 AM   #195 
  - I was in Quang Tri City and An Loc in April and May of 1972. Does that qualify me  Redstone   Apr-18-07 11:10 PM   #62 
  - And you're a COMMERCIAL AIRLINE PILOT? Christ, I wish the FAA could see that post; you are clearly  Redstone   Apr-18-07 11:17 PM   #69 
  - Be my guest. I fly private jets for corporations. Mostly GOP-owned ones.  karlrschneider   Apr-18-07 11:25 PM   #81 
     - Well, that's fine. As long as you're not flying unsuspecting civilians around, be my guest.  Redstone   Apr-18-07 11:31 PM   #86 
     - Bully for you. I take their money, they get a great ride.  karlrschneider   Apr-18-07 11:34 PM   #88 
        - Translation = go postal, go nuts..lose it..etc.  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 11:41 PM   #94 
        - Uh, it means the same as "lose your grip." You got a lot of anger bottled up, right there.  Redstone   Apr-18-07 11:42 PM   #95 
     - Dude...I would never give out that kind of personal info...  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 11:35 PM   #90 
        - Not necessary, since he doesn't fly the general public in his planes.  Redstone   Apr-18-07 11:49 PM   #99 
  - Oh grow up karl...  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 11:20 PM   # 
  - Oh grow up karl...  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 11:20 PM   # 
  - I'll admit, I do get angry sometimes. But I don't think I've ever seen anyone at DU as angry as you.  Redstone   Apr-18-07 11:35 PM   #89 
  - Good luck with that when they bring an attack helicopter and a tank...  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 11:18 PM   #70 
     - I know plenty of Nam guys who know better than that  symbolman   Apr-19-07 01:32 AM   #158 
     - So yippee your a veteran so what.???  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 01:43 AM   #163 
        - You DO do you?  symbolman   Apr-19-07 05:47 AM   #189 
     - To be fair we have a lot of both of those in Iraq  spoony   Apr-19-07 03:56 PM   #202 
  - oh wow. Lots of luck to you.  ComerPerro   Apr-18-07 10:38 PM   #34 
  - Regulating guns does not equate to a violation of the 2nd Amendment.  merh   Apr-18-07 10:42 PM   #38 
  - Great. I nominated it for the "stupidest fucking post ever" gallery.  karlrschneider   Apr-18-07 10:45 PM   #39 
     - I don't have that feature  merh   Apr-18-07 10:48 PM   #40 
     - I just love the power of it. My gun gives me nonstop orgasms. I caress it with loving tenderness.  karlrschneider   Apr-18-07 10:50 PM   #42 
     - Hey, you are the one that took it to a personal level  merh   Apr-18-07 11:00 PM   #53 
     - I'll be forwarding that post to the FAA as well. You are a danger to the public.  Redstone   Apr-18-07 11:20 PM   #73 
        - What the hell are you doing?  symbolman   Apr-19-07 06:04 AM   #190 
     - . . .  proud2Blib   Apr-18-07 10:51 PM   #43 
     - self delete  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 11:21 PM   #75 
  - Well, you've successfully bundled together a bunch of oft-repeated straw-men in one post.  piedmont   Apr-18-07 10:56 PM   #46 
  - No I didn't say that..  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 11:22 PM   #76 
  - Excellent NRA bundle, right there.  Redstone   Apr-19-07 12:13 AM   #107 
     - Hitler chewed gum. Do you chew gum?  piedmont   Apr-19-07 12:51 AM   #126 
        - Actually, I don't. Next question?  Redstone   Apr-19-07 12:53 AM   #132 
           - Ha. Alright then. Good night.  piedmont   Apr-19-07 01:13 AM   #150 
  - I'm not easily impressed, but I'm fucking impressed right now. Yes, indeed.  Redstone   Apr-18-07 10:57 PM   #51 
  - masterfully discredited? You bucking for Tony Snow's job?  karlrschneider   Apr-18-07 11:05 PM   #57 
     - Haven't answered ONE of my replies except with this bullshit, have you?  Redstone   Apr-18-07 11:22 PM   #77 
  - Give me an example where a gun killed someone. nt  doc03   Apr-18-07 11:13 PM   #66 
  - Only if you will give me one example where someone was killed from  ddeclue   Apr-18-07 11:25 PM   #80 
  - Well if I hit you with a rock  doc03   Apr-19-07 12:02 AM   #102 
     - Well there isn't an epidemic of "rock" murders now IS THERE?  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 12:17 AM   #109 
  - A friend of mine from work killed himself with a gun.  doc03   Apr-18-07 11:42 PM   #96 
     - I happen to know of FOUR separate gun deaths of people I knew from my days in Atlanta in 80's/90's  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 12:06 AM   #104 
        - A gun didn't kill any of those people, people did.  doc03   Apr-19-07 05:39 PM   #204 
  - Great post! I'm printing this out and keeping it.  AZBlue   Apr-18-07 11:20 PM   #71 
  - Wackiness Ensues  Madspirit   Apr-19-07 12:04 AM   #103 
  - What a bunch of nonsense  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 12:22 AM   #112 
     - Arrogant, condescending pedant  Madspirit   Apr-19-07 12:43 AM   #125 
     - Quite a lot thank you and you can stop talking down to me while you're at it.  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 01:32 AM   #159 
     - It's called asymetrical warfare, and the Iraqis are pantsing us with it.  piedmont   Apr-19-07 12:53 AM   #131 
        - Only because George Bush is an idiot...n/t  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 01:35 AM   #160 
  - This kid purchased a gun legally. Mental health records are not checked, and that  mzmolly   Apr-19-07 12:34 AM   #117 
  - And even THAT is not a sufficient test.  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 01:38 AM   #161 
     - That's a good point.  mzmolly   Apr-19-07 03:44 PM   #201 
  - MUST SLEEP NOW.. GOOD NIGHT ALL... AN INTERESTING DEBATE...  ddeclue   Apr-19-07 03:28 AM   #183 
  - Myth #4 is so stupid. You debunked it well. nt  raccoon   Apr-19-07 09:13 AM   #194 
  - Nice idea  Prophet 451   Apr-19-07 10:22 AM   #196 
  - That was brilliantly put. Thank you.  IronLionZion   Apr-19-07 12:14 PM   #199 
 

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