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Sat Nov-07-09 08:17 PM
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Edited on Sat Nov-07-09 08:18 PM by maryf
Is that why the OP's against this bill have received arguably the highest number of rec's ever??? and that means with all the potential unrecs??? (K&R by the way)
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| -For the millionth time, THERE IS NO PUBLIC OPTION |
debbierlus |
Nov-07-09 02:49 PM |
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Unrecommending won't stop the truth from being true. |
debbierlus |
Nov-07-09 02:51 PM |
#1 |
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"The House Public Plan: Yes, It's Worth It" |
emulatorloo |
Nov-07-09 03:03 PM |
#11 |
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It possibly is a step but it is not a reform. It's like saying we are going to build warehouses for |
Go2Peace |
Nov-07-09 07:03 PM |
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"we are just getting another "respite" while the same whoring goes on in the back rooms..." |
dysfunctional press |
Nov-08-09 12:21 AM |
#140 |
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When in doubt get philosophical |
PATRICK |
Nov-07-09 08:45 PM |
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The ONLY option coming from this bill is that it opens the door for gov, involvlment |
bjobotts |
Nov-08-09 02:36 AM |
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That's it. Maybe sometime in the future it can be expanded but avails nothing now. |
bjobotts |
Nov-08-09 02:37 AM |
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It was the blue dogs who sank a 'robust' PO.They were well paid for their efforts. |
bjobotts |
Nov-08-09 02:38 AM |
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Without the PO there is no real reform only an exchange of benefits which all favor private ins |
bjobotts |
Nov-08-09 02:41 AM |
#157 |
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Once again the corporatocracy thru its army of lobbyists told us what we are "allowed" to have. |
bjobotts |
Nov-08-09 02:42 AM |
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while the puppets dangling from their strings convince us how great this is. |
bjobotts |
Nov-08-09 02:45 AM |
#159 |
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You couldn't make that one post? |
Le Taz Hot |
Nov-08-09 10:09 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Nov-07-09 03:30 PM |
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K&R |
Cleita |
Nov-07-09 02:52 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-07-09 02:57 PM |
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That's untrue. |
Cleita |
Nov-07-09 02:58 PM |
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"What Social Security Teaches Us About Health Care" |
emulatorloo |
Nov-07-09 03:00 PM |
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We aren't talking about Social Security but Medicare, a successful health |
Cleita |
Nov-07-09 03:04 PM |
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The point is Social Security wasn't a "perfect" bill either, but it was expanded out |
emulatorloo |
Nov-07-09 03:06 PM |
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If you believe that, I have a nice bridge to sell to you in San Francisco. |
Cleita |
Nov-07-09 03:23 PM |
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The same kind of resistance met Social Security and Medicare. Reagan and his ilk |
emulatorloo |
Nov-07-09 03:27 PM |
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They have to or they would never be elected into office again. |
Cleita |
Nov-07-09 03:34 PM |
#28 |
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Those Medicare "Advantage" Plans |
TicketyBoo |
Nov-08-09 12:53 AM |
#146 |
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And doesn't the government PAY private insurers to run MA? |
zoff |
Nov-08-09 04:33 AM |
#164 |
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The Medicare Part B |
TicketyBoo |
Nov-08-09 09:32 AM |
#179 |
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Yes, my husband got caught up in one and it almost cost him his life |
Cleita |
Nov-08-09 03:01 PM |
#208 |
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AND, how the fuck exactly, can they NOT defend it? Don't be an............ |
pattmarty |
Nov-07-09 07:24 PM |
#85 |
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Social Security has always been a government program, administered by the government. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-07-09 04:40 PM |
#64 |
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She is against REAL HCR, and is for FANTASY HCR. |
tridim |
Nov-07-09 03:00 PM |
#9 |
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Fantasy HCR like Medicare for everyone? |
Cleita |
Nov-07-09 03:05 PM |
#14 |
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Wow. |
abelenkpe |
Nov-08-09 10:23 AM |
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Well said. Far too many on this board lack the intellectual |
WestSeattle2 |
Nov-08-09 02:54 PM |
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Don't you dare say such a thing to me. |
debbierlus |
Nov-07-09 03:01 PM |
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I can say whatever I want about you. |
tridim |
Nov-07-09 03:04 PM |
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Nov-07-09 03:19 PM |
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Deleted message |
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Nov-07-09 03:24 PM |
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The insurance industry WROTE it - as did big pharm - a very relevant post from July |
debbierlus |
Nov-07-09 03:50 PM |
#42 |
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The insurance industry is a very seasoned bunch when it comes to |
ooglymoogly |
Nov-08-09 12:37 AM |
#144 |
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"I noticed you didn't counter ONE of the arguments I made about the public option" |
bobbolink |
Nov-07-09 03:45 PM |
#35 |
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debbie |
placton |
Nov-07-09 08:40 PM |
#106 |
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Oh please. Take five. Are we obligated to love this bill? |
tblue |
Nov-07-09 03:24 PM |
#22 |
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Of course not. Never said that. |
tridim |
Nov-07-09 03:25 PM |
#23 |
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Yes, we are obligated to LOVE whatever tridim dictates that we love. |
bobbolink |
Nov-07-09 03:46 PM |
#36 |
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Please point out where I said that. |
tridim |
Nov-07-09 03:49 PM |
#39 |
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You've repeated it several times. |
bobbolink |
Nov-07-09 03:51 PM |
#43 |
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Now you're just lying. |
tridim |
Nov-07-09 03:52 PM |
#44 |
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I've had it with your name-calling and your attacks. |
bobbolink |
Nov-07-09 03:56 PM |
#46 |
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Alert me. I certainly don't like her position, that should be obvious. |
tridim |
Nov-07-09 04:00 PM |
#52 |
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One look at all your posts on this thread SHOW your intentions very clearly. |
bobbolink |
Nov-07-09 04:04 PM |
#57 |
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It isn't a vendetta just because you claim it is. |
tridim |
Nov-07-09 04:05 PM |
#58 |
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You think DU should be a very small tent where your minority views can be imposed on others. |
Better Believe It |
Nov-07-09 04:10 PM |
#61 |
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This thread is about HCR and I want it to pass, yes. |
tridim |
Nov-07-09 04:11 PM |
#62 |
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Do you think a majority favor a bailout of the insurance industry or do they favor |
Better Believe It |
Nov-07-09 06:29 PM |
#76 |
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Hmmm |
maryf |
Nov-07-09 08:17 PM |
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wrong place |
bobbolink |
Nov-08-09 08:20 PM |
#211 |
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The point she is making is that you are following ideology rather then thinking |
digidigido |
Nov-08-09 12:11 AM |
#138 |
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She has a right to vent her frustrations with the Democratic "majority" |
eilen |
Nov-08-09 07:25 AM |
#173 |
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Funny, you say pessimism and defeatism. I say it looks like the TRUTH. |
peacetalksforall |
Nov-08-09 11:22 AM |
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No, you actually CAN'T. The rules apply to you, the same as to everyone else. |
bobbolink |
Nov-07-09 03:44 PM |
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AND, you will be labeled for what you are, naive. |
pattmarty |
Nov-07-09 07:27 PM |
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Damn straight... |
regnaD kciN |
Nov-07-09 09:13 PM |
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Nothing will be added to it for decades. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-08-09 02:14 AM |
#153 |
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Do you work for the insurance lobby? |
spiritual_gunfighter |
Nov-08-09 10:14 AM |
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I support a Democratic HCR reform bill too. |
The Gunslinger |
Nov-08-09 08:24 PM |
#212 |
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I prefer to quote Abraham Lincoln. |
SandWalker1984 |
Nov-07-09 11:58 PM |
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Excellent quote. I'll have to remember that one. n/t |
Kermitt Gribble |
Nov-08-09 10:49 AM |
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Bravo. |
emilyg |
Nov-08-09 01:16 AM |
#152 |
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what a ridiculous lie. |
inna |
Nov-07-09 03:36 PM |
#29 |
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I suggest alerting. |
bobbolink |
Nov-07-09 03:48 PM |
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So you're saying she's NOT against the Democratic HCR bill? |
tridim |
Nov-07-09 03:54 PM |
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YOU are attacking with personal slams, and you know that is against the rules. |
bobbolink |
Nov-07-09 03:57 PM |
#49 |
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Unrecing a defeatist post is not against the rules. |
tridim |
Nov-07-09 04:02 PM |
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I'm sure you're aware that your personal attacks ARE against the rules. |
bobbolink |
Nov-07-09 04:05 PM |
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she's not against it because it's Democratic |
GreenArrow |
Nov-07-09 09:55 PM |
#126 |
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Amen! |
SandWalker1984 |
Nov-08-09 12:03 AM |
#137 |
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It's not purely personal. |
enlightenment |
Nov-07-09 03:56 PM |
#47 |
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Thank you. Have you alerted? |
bobbolink |
Nov-07-09 03:58 PM |
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Got any proof? |
tridim |
Nov-07-09 04:03 PM |
#56 |
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I rec'd too. And we are winning here. |
freddie mertz |
Nov-08-09 06:09 AM |
#166 |
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At this point we need a foundaton on which to build. |
Skidmore |
Nov-07-09 02:52 PM |
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Krugman, Dean and Grayson say it should be passed. |
tabatha |
Nov-07-09 03:05 PM |
#15 |
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When I mentioned that yesteday I was called "stupid" and a "kool-aide drinker" |
emulatorloo |
Nov-07-09 03:07 PM |
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Well we've got to throw someone under the bus. |
Cant trust em |
Nov-07-09 04:46 PM |
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Only because they see no other alternative. Not because it is good legislation, but because by |
Go2Peace |
Nov-07-09 07:08 PM |
#81 |
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I was listening to a discussion on the local progressive talk station this evening |
dflprincess |
Nov-07-09 09:18 PM |
#118 |
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Grayson is a partisan tool. |
DutchLiberal |
Nov-07-09 08:15 PM |
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Dean is now a shrill of the biodrug compainies. Grayson talks |
joeycola |
Nov-07-09 09:06 PM |
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Great...our new villains: Dean and Grayson... |
regnaD kciN |
Nov-07-09 09:16 PM |
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They must have been trying to use sarcasm? |
Go2Peace |
Nov-07-09 11:24 PM |
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What???? Are you a freeper in disguise????? |
Go2Peace |
Nov-07-09 11:20 PM |
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not to mention Weiner- who fought passionately for the public option |
BREMPRO |
Nov-08-09 12:31 AM |
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Building on greeding insurance compainies is NOT a sound foundation!! |
joeycola |
Nov-07-09 09:05 PM |
#110 |
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Thank you |
DJ13 |
Nov-07-09 02:52 PM |
#4 |
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And the other options are? |
AndyA |
Nov-07-09 03:00 PM |
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+1 |
tabatha |
Nov-07-09 03:06 PM |
#17 |
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Agree. Build upon the HCR, as we see the things that need |
Sukie |
Nov-07-09 03:27 PM |
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The alternative is to stop accepting utter crap and actually fight for real reform. |
debbierlus |
Nov-07-09 03:27 PM |
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Then how exactly do you suggest we refer to this current |
Fire1 |
Nov-07-09 07:35 PM |
#91 |
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One option you forgot ...... |
Stinky The Clown |
Nov-07-09 03:37 PM |
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. |
bobbolink |
Nov-07-09 03:50 PM |
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+1 |
Individualist |
Nov-07-09 04:08 PM |
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+1.... |
mike_c |
Nov-07-09 04:56 PM |
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Yep. Take our scraps and bones and be thankful, thankful! (n/t) |
bread_and_roses |
Nov-08-09 06:30 AM |
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+1 nt |
phasma ex machina |
Nov-08-09 11:17 AM |
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abort this crap and start over with Universal Heath Care. |
inna |
Nov-07-09 03:39 PM |
#32 |
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yep |
dana_b |
Nov-07-09 04:56 PM |
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+10 |
kath |
Nov-08-09 12:34 AM |
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True, it is a "lesser evil" bill". There is a risk though, that it will actually be bad for us in |
Go2Peace |
Nov-07-09 07:17 PM |
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+10. n/t |
Fire1 |
Nov-07-09 07:31 PM |
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We might have been better off if they had done nothing |
dflprincess |
Nov-07-09 09:14 PM |
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Here is a clue... |
Andronex |
Nov-08-09 03:02 AM |
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or 5. Do it right. |
The Gunslinger |
Nov-08-09 08:38 PM |
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This "no public option" will save me $25,000/yr |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 03:36 PM |
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Yeah, the crappy "No Public Option" is my only choice, and can't happen soon enough. |
Ikonoklast |
Nov-07-09 03:49 PM |
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It's bad enough the Republicans and insurance criminals are against this |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 03:59 PM |
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Not true, Republicans are against anything. But insurance is no longer fighting this |
Go2Peace |
Nov-07-09 07:20 PM |
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"Claim a moral victory" and then get back to doing what we REALLY enjoy... |
regnaD kciN |
Nov-07-09 09:20 PM |
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Yes, dogs that we are we should beg for scraps. Imagine if Europeans took this approach? |
Go2Peace |
Nov-07-09 11:34 PM |
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"I'll trust Dr. Dean and Paul Krugman... |
GreenArrow |
Nov-07-09 10:00 PM |
#128 |
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But they have a public track record, and history of opinions. |
Ikonoklast |
Nov-08-09 10:09 AM |
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Debbie apparently doesn't care about real people like us. |
tridim |
Nov-07-09 03:57 PM |
#48 |
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Yes, Debbie doesn't care about people like us |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 04:02 PM |
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She has become my new symbol for the DU that I just can't be a part of |
Cant trust em |
Nov-07-09 04:45 PM |
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Do tell....How will that work? |
debbierlus |
Nov-07-09 04:48 PM |
#68 |
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Currently $40k/year at small company |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 05:03 PM |
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Does your current policy pay 70% of expenses, that is the reference policy... |
slipslidingaway |
Nov-07-09 08:33 PM |
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but nothing really happens until 2013 nt |
maryf |
Nov-07-09 08:20 PM |
#102 |
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Not true |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 08:36 PM |
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If you are among the tiny % who will benefit, I'm glad for you, but that does not make it a good |
bread_and_roses |
Nov-08-09 06:55 AM |
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Can you explain that? |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-08-09 07:17 AM |
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+1 |
Coyote_Bandit |
Nov-07-09 03:45 PM |
#34 |
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They are bought and sold. |
juno jones |
Nov-07-09 09:08 PM |
#112 |
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You're right |
Coyote_Bandit |
Nov-08-09 08:54 AM |
#177 |
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Try to stay positive. It's far from universal healthcare but if people like |
Shagbark Hickory |
Nov-07-09 03:49 PM |
#38 |
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Better than nothing. |
enlightenment |
Nov-07-09 04:01 PM |
#53 |
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It's Romneycare. |
roamer65 |
Nov-07-09 04:15 PM |
#63 |
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I thought it was Pelosicare |
emulatorloo |
Nov-07-09 04:51 PM |
#69 |
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most people who aren't as informed as |
dana_b |
Nov-07-09 04:47 PM |
#67 |
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Only an idiot who hasn't been paying attention would think they qualify for the PO |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 07:38 PM |
#92 |
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Change we can pretend has happened. |
Karmadillo |
Nov-07-09 04:58 PM |
#72 |
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Ding ding ding ding! It is TOTALLY "change we can pretend has happened". |
kath |
Nov-08-09 12:38 AM |
#145 |
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agreed, 100 percent.... |
mike_c |
Nov-07-09 04:59 PM |
#73 |
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Sorry, but YOU'RE WRONG. |
johnaries |
Nov-07-09 05:12 PM |
#75 |
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+100, but don't waste your time |
berni_mccoy |
Nov-07-09 06:53 PM |
#78 |
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+1 more |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-07-09 07:25 PM |
#86 |
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She repeatedly calls her lie "the truth" |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 07:32 PM |
#90 |
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Sounds like a public option to me! n/t |
Fire1 |
Nov-07-09 07:39 PM |
#93 |
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Can employers choose not to provide a plan? |
patrice |
Nov-07-09 07:57 PM |
#96 |
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Open to anyone who qualifies is not open to everyone |
Raineyb |
Nov-08-09 11:34 AM |
#196 |
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LBJ twisted arms to do the right thing. Rahmbama twists arms just so they |
change_notfinetuning |
Nov-07-09 06:52 PM |
#77 |
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congress sucks n/t |
2Design |
Nov-07-09 07:03 PM |
#79 |
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Cheer up emo kid, you're makeup is running. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-07-09 07:23 PM |
#84 |
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bwahahaha +1 |
kid a |
Nov-07-09 07:41 PM |
#94 |
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Really Shading The Truth |
colsohlibgal |
Nov-07-09 07:27 PM |
#87 |
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But, remember, all the payoffs "our" side got will help them get re-elected. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-07-09 07:48 PM |
#95 |
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I might consider your opinion if your history wasn't so pocked with negative posts. |
Avalux |
Nov-07-09 08:00 PM |
#97 |
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Exactly |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 08:18 PM |
#101 |
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It reminds me a bit of the hillaryis44.com gang... |
regnaD kciN |
Nov-07-09 09:12 PM |
#114 |
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Reality as negativity. |
debbierlus |
Nov-07-09 09:52 PM |
#125 |
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In your world. n/t |
Avalux |
Nov-07-09 09:59 PM |
#127 |
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It's good to see that some people haven't stopped thinking... |
DutchLiberal |
Nov-07-09 08:13 PM |
#98 |
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Lie |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 08:17 PM |
#100 |
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Ad hominem attack, nt |
maryf |
Nov-07-09 10:10 PM |
#129 |
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This is simply not accurate |
ProSense |
Nov-07-09 08:26 PM |
#103 |
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Option advocates offer no information on who will create and run the “options” |
slipslidingaway |
Nov-07-09 08:57 PM |
#108 |
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Not true |
ProSense |
Nov-07-09 09:11 PM |
#113 |
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Where are the details as to how these options will be set up... |
slipslidingaway |
Nov-07-09 09:21 PM |
#120 |
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2013? |
abelenkpe |
Nov-08-09 10:35 AM |
#189 |
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I Agree and I Support You - I Happen to Be a Liberal First, a Democrat... Last |
theFrankFactor |
Nov-07-09 09:03 PM |
#109 |
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It's like Bill Maher said on Letterman the other night |
dflprincess |
Nov-07-09 09:23 PM |
#122 |
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Preach it Frank - you know, like the Democrats should be doing |
slay |
Nov-08-09 01:11 AM |
#151 |
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K&R! |
juno jones |
Nov-07-09 09:22 PM |
#121 |
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Great post! |
kath |
Nov-08-09 03:03 PM |
#209 |
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Thanks :) n/t |
juno jones |
Nov-08-09 08:32 PM |
#213 |
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A public option or a "real" public option? |
many a good man |
Nov-07-09 09:39 PM |
#123 |
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For the millionth-and-one time, you're full of crap... |
regnaD kciN |
Nov-07-09 09:47 PM |
#124 |
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K&R for every person who doesn't buy the propaganda |
mullard12ax7 |
Nov-07-09 11:33 PM |
#132 |
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debbierlus, Thanks for fighting for Democratic principles. This so called reform is |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-07-09 11:35 PM |
#134 |
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The Cake Is A Lie! n/t |
Ian David |
Nov-07-09 11:36 PM |
#135 |
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Everyone that thinks this bill is great should read Paul Craig Roberts' latest |
SandWalker1984 |
Nov-08-09 12:13 AM |
#139 |
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Great reply SandWalker1984 - I wish I could recommend your reply |
slay |
Nov-08-09 01:04 AM |
#149 |
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Great Post, Thanks |
theFrankFactor |
Nov-08-09 10:00 AM |
#182 |
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Really excellent post. This definitely should be a separate thread so I |
snagglepuss |
Nov-08-09 10:23 AM |
#188 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-08-09 12:35 AM |
#143 |
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Thank you! |
slay |
Nov-08-09 01:00 AM |
#147 |
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+1 Amen! |
RufusTFirefly |
Nov-08-09 02:53 AM |
#160 |
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Thank you for not giving up and speaking truth to all the lies and disinfo here on DU! |
earth mom |
Nov-08-09 01:03 AM |
#148 |
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143+ recs in short order and still climbing to the top. |
chill_wind |
Nov-08-09 01:07 AM |
#150 |
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On the first step of the journey, get in the saddle or shove the saddle up your nose. |
lonestarnot |
Nov-08-09 03:29 AM |
#162 |
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They've passed a stimulus bill for private insurance. Recommended. |
Vidar |
Nov-08-09 03:34 AM |
#163 |
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Yup, it would seem so. |
Major Hogwash |
Nov-08-09 05:33 AM |
#165 |
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Exactly. Like everything about the US, it's illusory, yet reinforced by millions who NEED to believe |
Echo In Light |
Nov-08-09 07:06 AM |
#171 |
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I feel this bill will turn out more positive for people than they realize and open more folks up to |
ProgressOnTheMove |
Nov-08-09 06:30 AM |
#167 |
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This bill will mandate insurance purchase instead of providing a service ie. the |
midnight |
Nov-08-09 07:04 AM |
#170 |
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Same crap we ha have in MA. - and my insurance went up 12% this year. |
geckosfeet |
Nov-08-09 07:33 AM |
#174 |
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Bullshit! It's not single-payer. FYI News headline: "Health care bill passes with public option" |
ClarkUSA |
Nov-08-09 07:52 AM |
#175 |
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If it stops the industry shenanigans re: pre-ex conditions, then it's still worthwhile. |
Jester Messiah |
Nov-08-09 08:08 AM |
#176 |
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Wrong, wrong, and wrong. |
pnwmom |
Nov-08-09 09:22 AM |
#178 |
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It's a solution worse than nothing. |
Chan790 |
Nov-08-09 09:38 AM |
#180 |
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We fell for the old Good Cop-Bad Cop routine |
kpominville |
Nov-08-09 09:47 AM |
#181 |
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Who's "we"? Some of us didn't. Never did. Thank you, debbie! n/t |
RufusTFirefly |
Nov-08-09 12:50 PM |
#199 |
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US |
abelenkpe |
Nov-08-09 10:05 AM |
#183 |
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It IS a public option. Maybe a sham of a P.O., but since it's paid for by the govt, it's a P.O. |
Honeycombe8 |
Nov-08-09 10:05 AM |
#184 |
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I Can't believe people are happy with that piece of shit |
fascisthunter |
Nov-08-09 10:54 AM |
#191 |
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This IS exactly why propoganda exists and public schools are defunded and people are paid minimum |
glitch |
Nov-08-09 11:08 AM |
#192 |
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Exactly like I've said all along: |
gorfle |
Nov-08-09 11:21 AM |
#194 |
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Exactly! The Orwellian nightmare continues |
Stumbler |
Nov-08-09 12:05 PM |
#197 |
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Right on!...The path we are on is a recipe for BACKLASH. . . . : |
Faryn Balyncd |
Nov-08-09 12:46 PM |
#198 |
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It should be called a private option |
rollingrock |
Nov-08-09 01:29 PM |
#200 |
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K&R |
pleah |
Nov-08-09 01:35 PM |
#201 |
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K&R |
IndianaGreen |
Nov-08-09 01:44 PM |
#202 |
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pround to be rec #241...k&r |
NotGivingUp |
Nov-08-09 02:33 PM |
#203 |
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K&R |
caseymoz |
Nov-08-09 02:43 PM |
#204 |
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Yeah but there is a mandatory abortion rider |
Generator |
Nov-08-09 02:56 PM |
#206 |
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Your Health Care Plan Just Got Taxed |
atomicweeder |
Nov-08-09 02:58 PM |
#207 |
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Thanks for the great thread, it is very difficult to watch this happen. |
Jefferson23 |
Nov-08-09 04:00 PM |
#210 |
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