debbierlus
(1000+ posts)
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Sat Nov-07-09 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #24 |
| 92. I'll answer your question... |
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In regard to your first comment, it is a good thing that people with preexisting conditions can't be denied insurance because they are sick. However, this bill doesn't prohibit the zillion other tactics the insurance companies use to deny care. For example, my mother just spent over a year fighting to get thousands of dollars of medical tests for my father paid for from her insurance company. The reason for denial - the tests couldn't be given on the same day. It was pure bs. It would actually be MORE expensive to have these test performed on seperate days for the insurance companies because it would mean paying for an additional office visit. The denial had no basis in anything other then being a made up rule to deny paying the claim. My aunt just spent two months fighting her insurance company to receive a second dose of chemotherapy for thyroid cancer. The reason for denial; not medically necessary, according to THEM. The bill does nothing to stop these abuses. Even if they can't deny a person the right to buy a policy due to one set reason, it does not mean that actual health care can't be denied. It is utter insanity to mandate people to buy a insurance policy that can deny coverage when it is needed. In regard to your question, the insurance companies WROTE this legislation. As did big pharm. And, other large corporate interests in the health care industry. They were the ones who were invited to the Senate Finance Hearing committee while the doctors and nurses who showed up protesting for ONE representative for single payer were arrested. The President met behind closed doors with big pharm and struck deals that basically allow them to charge mafia type prices for prescription drugs and extend patents to keep generics off the market. Here is a post link and comment from July regarding this issue: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/debbierlus/28 ... (lots more at actual link) (note the original link from yahoo is expired but I cut and pasted the story into the post).... Here is the specific comment relevant to your claim from a health industry insider.... "There is a way out of it — a bipartisan compromise_ but so far the liberals have found that to be anathema," said Robert Laszewski, a health care industry consultant. Laszewski is pessimistic about the prospects for overhaul legislation this year. But he thinks insurers in particular look like they're in a win-win situation. "The health insurance industry is in a fantastic position," he said. Democratic liberals overreached and can't move a bill over the objections of their moderate and conservative colleagues. "Democrats can't blame the industry if this goes down," Laszewski added. "So the health insurance industry is happy to let this thing take its course." ......The health insurance companies are fighting because they don't want even the paltry and toothless legislation that is in this bill to dictate how they rape the consumers of money. That is why you see ads against the bill. However, that does not change the fact that this legislation was crafted by them, for them, and largely benefits THEM. They only got 95% of their terms met, not the 100% they wanted, so they are protesting. That doesn't make it a good bill for the people.
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I do not support this bill |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 01:33 PM |
#0 |

Let me add my non-endorsement |
Sebastian Doyle |
Nov-07-09 01:37 PM |
#1 |
 
The bill is not perfect, however.... |
BlueDemKev |
Nov-07-09 04:08 PM |
#70 |
  
"Not perfect" is way too charitable. This bill (and so called "public option") is a fucking JOKE. |
Sebastian Doyle |
Nov-07-09 04:45 PM |
#71 |
   
Listen to me & Listen CAREFULLY.... |
BlueDemKev |
Nov-07-09 06:39 PM |
#126 |
  
I think the five year prison sentence |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 07:11 PM |
#135 |
  
With a Presidential electoral landslide last year and a supposed majority in both houses |
Sebastian Doyle |
Nov-07-09 07:13 PM |
#136 |
   
Be Pragmatic in Your Goals. |
BlueDemKev |
Nov-07-09 08:39 PM |
#144 |
    
pragmatism isn't forcing people into private healthcare |
backwoodsbob |
Nov-07-09 10:20 PM |
#157 |
     
If requiring people to carry insurance is wrong.... |
BlueDemKev |
Nov-07-09 10:42 PM |
#161 |
    
wow.... |
harmonicon |
Nov-08-09 01:12 AM |
#180 |
    
Do me a favor... |
Chan790 |
Nov-08-09 12:25 PM |
#232 |
    
excellent analysis and historical perspective BDK- i've been arguing these point for weeks |
BREMPRO |
Nov-08-09 02:51 AM |
#198 |
   
Thank you, Sebastian Doyle. You speak for me on this. |
bertman |
Nov-08-09 12:15 AM |
#170 |
   
+1 |
harmonicon |
Nov-08-09 01:09 AM |
#177 |
  
The politicians are playing games... |
CoffeeCat |
Nov-07-09 09:39 PM |
#147 |
   
Wow, what a negative attitude. 100% accurate though. |
Altoid_Cyclist |
Nov-08-09 06:27 AM |
#207 |
   
+10 |
Myrina |
Nov-08-09 07:09 AM |
#211 |
   
+1 nt |
phasma ex machina |
Nov-08-09 12:18 PM |
#229 |
  
This bill has political risk. It won't solve the deeper problems and it may come back to bite |
Go2Peace |
Nov-07-09 09:50 PM |
#148 |
  
I disagree. |
Laelth |
Nov-07-09 10:14 PM |
#155 |
   
That's what we said back in the Summer of '94.... |
BlueDemKev |
Nov-07-09 11:43 PM |
#167 |
  
Ever hear of NAFTA? Clinton pushed it down our throats, minority of Dems supported it. |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-08-09 03:47 AM |
#201 |
  
I don't recall that being said in '94. |
Laelth |
Nov-08-09 09:51 PM |
#238 |
  
only becuase they want Obama to have "failed". no other reason. |
robinlynne |
Nov-07-09 11:03 PM |
#162 |
  
The reason the pukes are 100% against it is they want democrats |
ooglymoogly |
Nov-07-09 11:10 PM |
#163 |
   
There is another reason the pukes are 100% against it. |
JVS |
Nov-08-09 01:24 AM |
#189 |
  
Good point and exactly and that is just what will |
ooglymoogly |
Nov-08-09 01:54 AM |
#193 |
  
We were GONE the minute we entertained supporting this weak-ass, bullshit corporate giveaway |
Fading Captain |
Nov-08-09 02:32 AM |
#195 |
  
I read carefully and I say |
pundaint |
Nov-08-09 07:07 AM |
#209 |
  
Frankly... |
Chan790 |
Nov-08-09 12:24 PM |
#230 |
  
Pardon me if I don't cry a river for them. |
gorfle |
Nov-08-09 12:24 PM |
#231 |
  
What good is pre-existing condition protection if they raise your premiums so high you can't pay? |
SandWalker1984 |
Nov-08-09 12:50 AM |
#173 |
 
I suspect you are right on this. |
man4allcats |
Nov-08-09 12:30 PM |
#233 |

If you can't afford it, you won't have to buy it. |
emulatorloo |
Nov-07-09 01:38 PM |
#2 |
 
Define afford it |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 01:40 PM |
#3 |
  
NOt my job. However there are precedents -- people who qualify for assistance (help with rent, food |
emulatorloo |
Nov-07-09 01:43 PM |
#12 |
   
The Government's definition of poverty rate is a fucking joke. |
Kansas Wyatt |
Nov-08-09 01:08 AM |
#176 |
   
Not your job? But it is your job to tell us to support this? |
saracat |
Nov-08-09 02:59 AM |
#199 |
   
Well, evidently you never had to "qualify for assistance"........... |
pattmarty |
Nov-08-09 10:04 AM |
#218 |
  
I agree. It's impossible to determine what's "affordable." It depends |
LibDemAlways |
Nov-08-09 12:49 AM |
#172 |
 
And the OP is right there on the Insurance Company bandwagon. |
tridim |
Nov-07-09 01:41 PM |
#5 |
  
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Nov-07-09 01:42 PM |
#11 |
   
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Nov-07-09 01:43 PM |
#14 |
  
I'm against this particular bill |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 01:44 PM |
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Nov-07-09 01:45 PM |
#20 |
  
I'm sorry |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 01:48 PM |
#23 |
   
Grayson and Weiner are behind this bill and will be voting for it. Just because it isnt perfect |
emulatorloo |
Nov-07-09 01:53 PM |
#27 |
    
This bill is worse than the status quo. |
Chan790 |
Nov-08-09 12:38 PM |
#234 |
   
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Nov-07-09 01:53 PM |
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Nov-07-09 01:54 PM |
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Nov-07-09 02:00 PM |
#41 |
  
I do more work for the democratic party than most on this board |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 02:04 PM |
#44 |
  
Are you going to tell your candidate that you don't support Democratic principles? |
tridim |
Nov-07-09 02:06 PM |
#45 |
   
I've already had this conversation |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 02:08 PM |
#47 |
  
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Nov-07-09 02:09 PM |
#49 |
   
How am I working for the GOP |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 02:12 PM |
#50 |
   
Big tent means that there are perfectly good democrats that insist on single payer only. |
JVS |
Nov-07-09 02:13 PM |
#52 |
  
No the Big Tent is only for Pro-Life, Pro-Wall Street Democrats, Pro-War Democrats |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 02:15 PM |
#54 |
   
Well that seems positively fascist! |
JVS |
Nov-07-09 02:21 PM |
#59 |
  
True, but ATJ isn't one of them. The bill is being voted on today. |
tridim |
Nov-07-09 02:33 PM |
#62 |
   
"Fighting against the bill" |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 05:19 PM |
#81 |
   
Your statements are a perfect example as to why |
spiritual_gunfighter |
Nov-08-09 08:30 AM |
#212 |
  
There aren't perfectly good Democrats that insist only on single-payer. |
Scarsdale Vibe |
Nov-07-09 03:02 PM |
#68 |
  
Sorry. You lose. We allowed supporters of wars that have killed millions into the party for the... |
JVS |
Nov-07-09 03:07 PM |
#69 |
  
It's actually the other way around |
BOG PERSON |
Nov-07-09 05:42 PM |
#98 |
  
Gladly... |
Chan790 |
Nov-08-09 12:46 PM |
#235 |
  
You always say that |
Hutzpa |
Nov-07-09 02:16 PM |
#55 |
  
Cornered? |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 02:19 PM |
#56 |
  
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Nov-07-09 02:22 PM |
#61 |
   
Ok back |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 05:15 PM |
#78 |
  
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Nov-07-09 02:36 PM |
#63 |
  
This bill doesn't make it affordable! |
Raineyb |
Nov-07-09 05:49 PM |
#101 |
  
It's a piece of shit bill |
alarimer |
Nov-07-09 04:53 PM |
#73 |
  
You're foolish if you believe insurance companies don't want mandated & subsidized reform |
Oregone |
Nov-07-09 02:07 PM |
#46 |
  
Anybody notice that the Cheerleader takeover of GD has begun? |
Sebastian Doyle |
Nov-07-09 04:47 PM |
#72 |
   
It's impossible not to notice |
Individualist |
Nov-07-09 05:11 PM |
#76 |
   
Really isn't a take over |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 05:16 PM |
#80 |
  
Yeah that was evident eariler in the week |
Sebastian Doyle |
Nov-07-09 05:20 PM |
#83 |
   
Meh |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 05:25 PM |
#87 |
  
There are a lot of cheerleaders adding accounts and trying to shift discussion on DU in recent month |
Go2Peace |
Nov-07-09 10:08 PM |
#151 |
  
You again? Take a couple more hits off the pipe and we'll see ya later. |
pattmarty |
Nov-08-09 10:08 AM |
#219 |
 
See my post 12 above |
emulatorloo |
Nov-07-09 01:42 PM |
#7 |
  
actually they are pretty onerous |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 01:43 PM |
#13 |
 
and yet people still receive assistance if they need it. n/t |
emulatorloo |
Nov-07-09 01:48 PM |
#22 |
 
Some of the time nt |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 01:50 PM |
#25 |
 
Right. That's why thousands of people are living in their cars and tents right now. eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-07-09 07:24 PM |
#138 |
 
The only part of this bill the Insurance Companies don't like |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-07-09 02:45 PM |
# |
 
$5,000 per year would send me and many others right into Chapter 7. |
closeupready |
Nov-07-09 06:10 PM |
#109 |
 
The Federal guidlines defining "afford it" are a joke - and least many of us screwed. |
Political Heretic |
Nov-07-09 10:22 PM |
#158 |

steaming pile that does nothing to address the structural problems of health care. |
KG |
Nov-07-09 01:41 PM |
#4 |
 
tell that to someone with a pre-existing condition or somebody who has had insurance cut off because |
emulatorloo |
Nov-07-09 01:50 PM |
#24 |

I'll answer your question... |
debbierlus |
Nov-07-09 05:30 PM |
#92 |

Exactly!!!!!! But This is Like Rocket Science to the Party of Lowered Expectations |
theFrankFactor |
Nov-08-09 11:18 AM |
#226 |

then you support doing nothing, that exactly what will happen if this is voted down. |
spanone |
Nov-07-09 01:42 PM |
#6 |
 
If the choice is between a step backwards and no step at all... |
Xithras |
Nov-07-09 06:28 PM |
#121 |
 
I support withdrawing this shit and coming back next year. |
Kansas Wyatt |
Nov-08-09 01:17 AM |
#182 |
 
Use your head |
Fading Captain |
Nov-08-09 02:34 AM |
#196 |

Aye, the bill sucks blue whale |
JVS |
Nov-07-09 01:42 PM |
#8 |

it's certainly your right to oppose this dem bill. nt |
cry baby |
Nov-07-09 01:42 PM |
#9 |

France has a mandate and the premiums are deducted from people's pay checks. |
berni_mccoy |
Nov-07-09 01:42 PM |
#10 |
 
You are honestly comparing this bill to the French system |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 01:45 PM |
#19 |
 
No, no mandate in france. It is a single payer where healthcare is financed by payroll taxes and |
Mass |
Nov-07-09 01:59 PM |
#40 |
 
It's also non-profit. eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-07-09 07:27 PM |
#139 |

Nope. There are for profit providers as well as for-profit insurance in France. |
berni_mccoy |
Nov-07-09 07:55 PM |
#142 |

For profit insurers do not cover basic health they offer supplementals |
Raineyb |
Nov-07-09 11:22 PM |
#166 |

k/r |
emilyg |
Nov-07-09 01:43 PM |
#15 |

Hmmmm, it's called compromise in conference committee |
DainBramaged |
Nov-07-09 01:44 PM |
#16 |
 
interesting point n/t |
emulatorloo |
Nov-07-09 01:55 PM |
#32 |
 
The Senate is more pro-mandates than the House |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 01:56 PM |
#36 |
 
that is a bet I will gladly take |
dsc |
Nov-07-09 05:07 PM |
#75 |

It's designed to fail. The GOP will be running on this for years |
anonymous171 |
Nov-07-09 01:44 PM |
#18 |
 
That has been my point. At the least we should "repackage" and re-brand. This could set us up |
Go2Peace |
Nov-07-09 10:13 PM |
#153 |

Agreed. I hope mandates will be found unconstitutional. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Nov-07-09 01:46 PM |
#21 |

I also cannot support this bill. Too many compromises. I know |
kelly1mm |
Nov-07-09 01:52 PM |
#26 |
 
The Insurance companies hate it. So there must be something good in it. |
emulatorloo |
Nov-07-09 01:54 PM |
#30 |

Hint: Any attempt to reform the system will be met with heavy resistance by the PTB |
anonymous171 |
Nov-07-09 01:56 PM |
#34 |

There is in fact some good in the bill - no preexisting condition |
kelly1mm |
Nov-07-09 02:14 PM |
#53 |

That's a lie. They are not fighting hard right now and where they are it is |
Go2Peace |
Nov-07-09 10:14 PM |
#154 |

So you clearly prefer the status quo to the bill? |
stray cat |
Nov-07-09 01:53 PM |
#29 |
 
Allentown jake prefers the GOP plan. No healthcare reform for anyone, ever.. |
tridim |
Nov-07-09 01:57 PM |
#37 |

Yes because this bill is going to stop insurance premiums from flowing |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 01:58 PM |
#39 |
 
I'm not the one supporting the insurance industry. |
tridim |
Nov-07-09 02:01 PM |
#42 |

I'm not supporting the Insurance Industry either |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 02:02 PM |
#43 |

In Fairness |
C_Lawyer09 |
Nov-07-09 06:15 PM |
#111 |

I agree, the mandate has to go |
akwapez |
Nov-07-09 01:55 PM |
#33 |

Of course you don't |
Hutzpa |
Nov-07-09 01:56 PM |
#35 |
 
Again |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 01:57 PM |
#38 |

You speak of broad brush when |
Hutzpa |
Nov-07-09 02:09 PM |
#48 |

Yes because I object to insurance mandates |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 02:13 PM |
#51 |

Do you know what the STUPAK bill is? |
Hutzpa |
Nov-07-09 02:19 PM |
#57 |

Obviously not. n/t |
MaineDem |
Nov-07-09 02:21 PM |
#58 |

Sorry don't follow the minutia of every thing going on |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 02:21 PM |
#60 |

As you've rightly admited |
Hutzpa |
Nov-07-09 03:00 PM |
#67 |

I second that motion -nt |
notesdev |
Nov-07-09 02:37 PM |
#64 |

You are 100% wrong on the mandates. |
grantcart |
Nov-07-09 02:39 PM |
#65 |
 
Dude, you don't need to explain how insurance works to us. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-07-09 05:23 PM |
#86 |

+10,000 |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 05:26 PM |
#89 |

that's right! |
dana_b |
Nov-07-09 05:41 PM |
#96 |

Nail on the Head! |
bvar22 |
Nov-07-09 07:57 PM |
#143 |

+1,000,000 n/t |
BeHereNow |
Nov-07-09 11:14 PM |
#164 |

Thank you. nt |
woo me with science |
Nov-08-09 09:50 AM |
#217 |

and kicking. nt |
woo me with science |
Nov-08-09 11:01 AM |
#222 |

Totally! |
Bluenorthwest |
Nov-08-09 01:38 PM |
#236 |

You're not for further burdening a crushed working class? |
Prism |
Nov-07-09 02:45 PM |
#66 |
 
+10000000 |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-07-09 05:25 PM |
#88 |
 
+100000000000000 |
leftstreet |
Nov-08-09 01:39 PM |
#237 |

Not only is this bill |
Nite Owl |
Nov-07-09 05:02 PM |
#74 |

I don't support it either. The dems sold us out |
debbierlus |
Nov-07-09 05:11 PM |
#77 |
 
Really Debbie!? |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 05:21 PM |
#84 |

HughMoran, you are Stalking Debbie across boards.. cut it out! |
Go2Peace |
Nov-07-09 10:18 PM |
#156 |

self-delete |
Mithreal |
Nov-08-09 01:07 AM |
#175 |

This bill is a DLC wet dream, |
Individualist |
Nov-07-09 05:16 PM |
#79 |

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Nov-07-09 05:20 PM |
#82 |
 
LOL |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 05:22 PM |
#85 |

Well, it's more of a long-time pattern that we get used to |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 05:27 PM |
#90 |

I actually spend 95% of my post bitching about |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 05:28 PM |
#91 |

Yeah, I know |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 05:35 PM |
#94 |

You are one of the good posters on here |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 05:39 PM |
#95 |

My fault - I conflated you with a couple of other posters from earlier today |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 05:42 PM |
#97 |

I don't think the provision I don't like is going to survive |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 05:44 PM |
#99 |

Jail is a ridiculous outcome for not carrying insurance |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 05:48 PM |
#100 |

I see it as a fresh coat of paint over a rotting wall |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 05:49 PM |
#102 |
 
I hope you're being overly pessimistic |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 05:52 PM |
#103 |

But "everybody" isn't buying into it if undocumented immigrants aren't covered. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-07-09 05:52 PM |
#104 |

Blame the fuckpublicans and Blue Meanie Democrats for that |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 05:55 PM |
#105 |
 
And at the end of the day it means that everyone is not covered. eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-07-09 06:04 PM |
#106 |

Clearly that's not technically possible at this time |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 06:06 PM |
#107 |

So you're admitting that EVERYONE doesn't have to be covered. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-07-09 06:25 PM |
#117 |

I wasn't being literal when I previously used the word "everybody" |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 06:27 PM |
#119 |

Either everybody means everybody or it doesn't. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-07-09 06:35 PM |
#122 |

Never mind |
HughMoran |
Nov-07-09 06:36 PM |
#123 |

Um, I thought that's why DU was here. eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-07-09 06:39 PM |
#127 |

Undocumented immigrants aren't covered anywhere. |
ProSense |
Nov-07-09 06:21 PM |
#114 |

So I guess you're admitting that EVERYONE doesn't have to be covered for a health plan to work. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-07-09 06:24 PM |
#116 |
 
No, you need to deal with reality. America is behind every other industrialized country and |
ProSense |
Nov-07-09 06:26 PM |
#118 |

And again, you're acknowledging that EVERYONE doesn't need to be in the plan. |
Hello_Kitty |
Nov-07-09 06:38 PM |
#124 |
 
Again, you're ignoring reality. n/t |
ProSense |
Nov-07-09 06:43 PM |
#130 |

you are the one ignoring reality - see my response above |
harmonicon |
Nov-08-09 01:22 AM |
#188 |

The UK for one - probably many others |
harmonicon |
Nov-08-09 01:18 AM |
#185 |

I'm Just Chiming In To Support You AllentownJake... n/t |
ChiciB1 |
Nov-07-09 05:31 PM |
#93 |

Wow the martyred moderates are out in force today |
Starry Messenger |
Nov-07-09 06:09 PM |
#108 |

It figures, more nonsensical crap |
ProSense |
Nov-07-09 06:14 PM |
#110 |
 
There you are |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 06:18 PM |
#112 |

Then you and Michelle Bachman and Virginia Foxx can meet together to plot strategy |
bluestateguy |
Nov-07-09 06:19 PM |
#113 |
 
Dick Cheney and Barack Obama want more troops in Afganistan |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 06:22 PM |
#115 |

I agree-- dems have pulled a classic bait and switch.... |
mike_c |
Nov-07-09 06:27 PM |
#120 |

while I agree with you that the bill is a piece of crap, |
paulk |
Nov-07-09 06:39 PM |
#125 |
 
I'm not voting today |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 06:43 PM |
#131 |

It has Obama's support |
mdmc |
Nov-07-09 06:40 PM |
#128 |
 
It has his support but it wasn't the best they could have done. |
Nikki Stone1 |
Nov-07-09 06:42 PM |
#129 |

This is the new framework for medicare..no doubt in my mind.. |
mdmc |
Nov-07-09 06:56 PM |
#133 |

It's a shift in philosophy towards the North American Union |
Nikki Stone1 |
Nov-07-09 07:40 PM |
#141 |

I can't wait until this passes so that I can watch the all or nothing crowd and the |
ChimpersMcSmirkers |
Nov-07-09 06:49 PM |
#132 |
 
I'll shrug my shoulders and eat a brownie |
AllentownJake |
Nov-07-09 06:57 PM |
#134 |
 
I guess for some of us it is not a spectator sport. |
Go2Peace |
Nov-07-09 10:26 PM |
#159 |

K&R. I agree completely. |
highplainsdem |
Nov-07-09 07:17 PM |
#137 |

When asked by a little known news org where the constitution... |
Gravel Democrat |
Nov-07-09 07:27 PM |
#140 |
 
"a little known news org" CNS News? |
ProSense |
Nov-07-09 08:45 PM |
#145 |

Now, the Repubs can say--See! Healthcare reform is EVIL!! |
CoffeeCat |
Nov-07-09 09:31 PM |
#146 |

"Fining or jailing working Americans is not the answer to the Health Insurance issue." |
ZombieHorde |
Nov-07-09 09:53 PM |
#149 |

WOW I have never seen so many deletes , " MY POINT" no "MY POINT " HA |
Grassy Knoll |
Nov-07-09 10:07 PM |
#150 |

Hear, hear. n/t |
Laelth |
Nov-07-09 10:10 PM |
#152 |

If I could express how I really feel inside, I'd be put in prison. |
nc4bo |
Nov-07-09 10:34 PM |
#160 |
 
And now it has passed and we're going to have to watch Pelosi and the other |
dflprincess |
Nov-07-09 11:19 PM |
#165 |

I'd like to avoid a tombstone this evening, so I'll just say K&R. |
jgraz |
Nov-07-09 11:49 PM |
#168 |

K&R |
waiting for hope |
Nov-07-09 11:52 PM |
#169 |

Thank you, Jake. I agree wholeheartedly. |
bertman |
Nov-08-09 12:22 AM |
#171 |

K&R! n/t |
juno jones |
Nov-08-09 01:00 AM |
#174 |

They why don't you go to Free Republic and discuss it there |
yodoobo |
Nov-08-09 01:09 AM |
#178 |
 
Sure and I'm sure you'd find plenty looking for escalation on the war in Afghanistan there |
AllentownJake |
Nov-08-09 01:11 AM |
#179 |
  
You cannot escape the fact that you now agree with your enemy |
yodoobo |
Nov-08-09 01:14 AM |
#181 |
 
You are with us or against us |
AllentownJake |
Nov-08-09 01:18 AM |
#183 |
  
Now you are posting Bush propaganda? |
yodoobo |
Nov-08-09 01:20 AM |
#187 |
 
No I'm comparing your statement |
AllentownJake |
Nov-08-09 01:26 AM |
#191 |
 
You don't understand |
sellitman |
Nov-08-09 09:38 AM |
#214 |
 
Why don't you take a trip over to K-Street, and party it up in celebration over there? |
brentspeak |
Nov-08-09 10:15 AM |
#220 |

absolutely correct |
TheWebHead |
Nov-08-09 01:18 AM |
#184 |
 
That is funny |
AllentownJake |
Nov-08-09 01:20 AM |
#186 |

Agreed! with a rec n/t |
rtassi |
Nov-08-09 01:24 AM |
#190 |

Preach brother! |
autorank |
Nov-08-09 01:51 AM |
#192 |

Thanks, ATJ |
dgibby |
Nov-08-09 02:30 AM |
#194 |

Word. Yet people here on DU can't see the major ripoff and massive giveaway this shitty "reform" is! |
earth mom |
Nov-08-09 02:35 AM |
#197 |

all the nay sayers will be the ones signing up - including Repubs |
tomm2thumbs |
Nov-08-09 03:00 AM |
#200 |

"it should fail." It passed with the support of these people |
ProSense |
Nov-08-09 04:00 AM |
#202 |

Did we not essentialy get the Dole bill of 1993...? |
JCMach1 |
Nov-08-09 04:35 AM |
#203 |

K&R |
Vidar |
Nov-08-09 04:50 AM |
#204 |

I agree... |
winyanstaz |
Nov-08-09 05:03 AM |
#205 |

I do not support it, either, for |
DemBones DemBones |
Nov-08-09 06:13 AM |
#206 |

I totally agree - this shit "reform" will destroy me financially |
TorchTheWitch |
Nov-08-09 06:48 AM |
#208 |

K & R. It was bad enough before the atrocious abortion amendment |
freddie mertz |
Nov-08-09 07:07 AM |
#210 |

"Fining or jailing working Americans is not the answer to the Health Insurance issue" |
Echo In Light |
Nov-08-09 08:32 AM |
#213 |

I have a serious problem with this mandate. People try to compare it to car insurance. The fact of |
IsItJustMe |
Nov-08-09 09:41 AM |
#215 |

This bill is a sham. |
sellitman |
Nov-08-09 09:42 AM |
#216 |

We know. n/t |
Fire1 |
Nov-08-09 10:59 AM |
#221 |

A Piece of Shit Delivered By Industy Owner Opeators of Dem Congressional Heads |
theFrankFactor |
Nov-08-09 11:04 AM |
#223 |

Agreed and I Support You AJ |
theFrankFactor |
Nov-08-09 11:08 AM |
#224 |

The fed. will subsidize payments for the health ins. But yes, all Americans need |
Honeycombe8 |
Nov-08-09 11:12 AM |
#225 |

This bill sounds good, |
emald |
Nov-08-09 11:19 AM |
#227 |

Democrats continue to slit their own throats... |
scentopine |
Nov-08-09 11:29 AM |
#228 |