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92. I'll answer your question...

In regard to your first comment, it is a good thing that people with preexisting conditions can't be denied insurance because they are sick. However, this bill doesn't prohibit the zillion other tactics the insurance companies use to deny care. For example, my mother just spent over a year fighting to get thousands of dollars of medical tests for my father paid for from her insurance company. The reason for denial - the tests couldn't be given on the same day. It was pure bs. It would actually be MORE expensive to have these test performed on seperate days for the insurance companies because it would mean paying for an additional office visit. The denial had no basis in anything other then being a made up rule to deny paying the claim. My aunt just spent two months fighting her insurance company to receive a second dose of chemotherapy for thyroid cancer. The reason for denial; not medically necessary, according to THEM. The bill does nothing to stop these abuses.

Even if they can't deny a person the right to buy a policy due to one set reason, it does not mean that actual health care can't be denied. It is utter insanity to mandate people to buy a insurance policy that can deny coverage when it is needed.

In regard to your question, the insurance companies WROTE this legislation. As did big pharm. And, other large corporate interests in the health care industry. They were the ones who were invited to the Senate Finance Hearing committee while the doctors and nurses who showed up protesting for ONE representative for single payer were arrested. The President met behind closed doors with big pharm and struck deals that basically allow them to charge mafia type prices for prescription drugs and extend patents to keep generics off the market. Here is a post link and comment from July regarding this issue:


http://journals.democraticunderground.com/debbierlus/28 ... (lots more at actual link)

(note the original link from yahoo is expired but I cut and pasted the story into the post)....

Here is the specific comment relevant to your claim from a health industry insider....

"There is a way out of it — a bipartisan compromise_ but so far the liberals have found that to be anathema," said Robert Laszewski, a health care industry consultant.

Laszewski is pessimistic about the prospects for overhaul legislation this year. But he thinks insurers in particular look like they're in a win-win situation.

"The health insurance industry is in a fantastic position," he said. Democratic liberals overreached and can't move a bill over the objections of their moderate and conservative colleagues.

"Democrats can't blame the industry if this goes down," Laszewski added. "So the health insurance industry is happy to let this thing take its course."

......The health insurance companies are fighting because they don't want even the paltry and toothless legislation that is in this bill to dictate how they rape the consumers of money. That is why you see ads against the bill. However, that does not change the fact that this legislation was crafted by them, for them, and largely benefits THEM. They only got 95% of their terms met, not the 100% they wanted, so they are protesting. That doesn't make it a good bill for the people.
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  I do not support this bill AllentownJake  Nov-07-09 01:33 PM   #0 
   Let me add my non-endorsement  Sebastian Doyle   Nov-07-09 01:37 PM   #1 
   The bill is not perfect, however....  BlueDemKev   Nov-07-09 04:08 PM   #70 
   "Not perfect" is way too charitable. This bill (and so called "public option") is a fucking JOKE.  Sebastian Doyle   Nov-07-09 04:45 PM   #71 
   Listen to me & Listen CAREFULLY....  BlueDemKev   Nov-07-09 06:39 PM   #126 
      I think the five year prison sentence  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 07:11 PM   #135 
      With a Presidential electoral landslide last year and a supposed majority in both houses  Sebastian Doyle   Nov-07-09 07:13 PM   #136 
      Be Pragmatic in Your Goals.  BlueDemKev   Nov-07-09 08:39 PM   #144 
      pragmatism isn't forcing people into private healthcare  backwoodsbob   Nov-07-09 10:20 PM   #157 
      If requiring people to carry insurance is wrong....  BlueDemKev   Nov-07-09 10:42 PM   #161 
         wow....  harmonicon   Nov-08-09 01:12 AM   #180 
         Do me a favor...  Chan790   Nov-08-09 12:25 PM   #232 
      excellent analysis and historical perspective BDK- i've been arguing these point for weeks  BREMPRO   Nov-08-09 02:51 AM   #198 
      Thank you, Sebastian Doyle. You speak for me on this.  bertman   Nov-08-09 12:15 AM   #170 
      +1  harmonicon   Nov-08-09 01:09 AM   #177 
      The politicians are playing games...  CoffeeCat   Nov-07-09 09:39 PM   #147 
      Wow, what a negative attitude. 100% accurate though.  Altoid_Cyclist   Nov-08-09 06:27 AM   #207 
      +10  Myrina   Nov-08-09 07:09 AM   #211 
      +1 nt  phasma ex machina   Nov-08-09 12:18 PM   #229 
      This bill has political risk. It won't solve the deeper problems and it may come back to bite  Go2Peace   Nov-07-09 09:50 PM   #148 
      I disagree.  Laelth   Nov-07-09 10:14 PM   #155 
      That's what we said back in the Summer of '94....  BlueDemKev   Nov-07-09 11:43 PM   #167 
         Ever hear of NAFTA? Clinton pushed it down our throats, minority of Dems supported it.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-08-09 03:47 AM   #201 
         I don't recall that being said in '94.  Laelth   Nov-08-09 09:51 PM   #238 
      only becuase they want Obama to have "failed". no other reason.  robinlynne   Nov-07-09 11:03 PM   #162 
      The reason the pukes are 100% against it is they want democrats  ooglymoogly   Nov-07-09 11:10 PM   #163 
      There is another reason the pukes are 100% against it.  JVS   Nov-08-09 01:24 AM   #189 
         Good point and exactly and that is just what will  ooglymoogly   Nov-08-09 01:54 AM   #193 
      We were GONE the minute we entertained supporting this weak-ass, bullshit corporate giveaway  Fading Captain   Nov-08-09 02:32 AM   #195 
      I read carefully and I say  pundaint   Nov-08-09 07:07 AM   #209 
      Frankly...  Chan790   Nov-08-09 12:24 PM   #230 
      Pardon me if I don't cry a river for them.  gorfle   Nov-08-09 12:24 PM   #231 
   What good is pre-existing condition protection if they raise your premiums so high you can't pay?  SandWalker1984   Nov-08-09 12:50 AM   #173 
   I suspect you are right on this.  man4allcats   Nov-08-09 12:30 PM   #233 
   If you can't afford it, you won't have to buy it.  emulatorloo   Nov-07-09 01:38 PM   #2 
   Define afford it  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 01:40 PM   #3 
   NOt my job. However there are precedents -- people who qualify for assistance (help with rent, food  emulatorloo   Nov-07-09 01:43 PM   #12 
   The Government's definition of poverty rate is a fucking joke.  Kansas Wyatt   Nov-08-09 01:08 AM   #176 
   Not your job? But it is your job to tell us to support this?  saracat   Nov-08-09 02:59 AM   #199 
   Well, evidently you never had to "qualify for assistance"...........  pattmarty   Nov-08-09 10:04 AM   #218 
   I agree. It's impossible to determine what's "affordable." It depends  LibDemAlways   Nov-08-09 12:49 AM   #172 
   And the OP is right there on the Insurance Company bandwagon.  tridim   Nov-07-09 01:41 PM   #5 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-07-09 01:42 PM   #11 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-07-09 01:43 PM   #14 
      I'm against this particular bill  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 01:44 PM   #17 
         Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-07-09 01:45 PM   #20 
            I'm sorry  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 01:48 PM   #23 
            Grayson and Weiner are behind this bill and will be voting for it. Just because it isnt perfect  emulatorloo   Nov-07-09 01:53 PM   #27 
            This bill is worse than the status quo.  Chan790   Nov-08-09 12:38 PM   #234 
            Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-07-09 01:53 PM   #28 
               Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-07-09 01:54 PM   #31 
               Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-07-09 02:00 PM   #41 
                  I do more work for the democratic party than most on this board  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 02:04 PM   #44 
                     Are you going to tell your candidate that you don't support Democratic principles?  tridim   Nov-07-09 02:06 PM   #45 
                     I've already had this conversation  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 02:08 PM   #47 
                        Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-07-09 02:09 PM   #49 
                        How am I working for the GOP  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 02:12 PM   #50 
                        Big tent means that there are perfectly good democrats that insist on single payer only.  JVS   Nov-07-09 02:13 PM   #52 
                           No the Big Tent is only for Pro-Life, Pro-Wall Street Democrats, Pro-War Democrats  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 02:15 PM   #54 
                           Well that seems positively fascist!  JVS   Nov-07-09 02:21 PM   #59 
                           True, but ATJ isn't one of them. The bill is being voted on today.  tridim   Nov-07-09 02:33 PM   #62 
                           "Fighting against the bill"  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 05:19 PM   #81 
                           Your statements are a perfect example as to why  spiritual_gunfighter   Nov-08-09 08:30 AM   #212 
                           There aren't perfectly good Democrats that insist only on single-payer.  Scarsdale Vibe   Nov-07-09 03:02 PM   #68 
                              Sorry. You lose. We allowed supporters of wars that have killed millions into the party for the...  JVS   Nov-07-09 03:07 PM   #69 
                                 It's actually the other way around  BOG PERSON   Nov-07-09 05:42 PM   #98 
                        Gladly...  Chan790   Nov-08-09 12:46 PM   #235 
                     You always say that  Hutzpa   Nov-07-09 02:16 PM   #55 
                        Cornered?  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 02:19 PM   #56 
                           Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-07-09 02:22 PM   #61 
                           Ok back  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 05:15 PM   #78 
                           Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-07-09 02:36 PM   #63 
               This bill doesn't make it affordable!  Raineyb   Nov-07-09 05:49 PM   #101 
            It's a piece of shit bill  alarimer   Nov-07-09 04:53 PM   #73 
   You're foolish if you believe insurance companies don't want mandated & subsidized reform  Oregone   Nov-07-09 02:07 PM   #46 
   Anybody notice that the Cheerleader takeover of GD has begun?  Sebastian Doyle   Nov-07-09 04:47 PM   #72 
   It's impossible not to notice  Individualist   Nov-07-09 05:11 PM   #76 
   Really isn't a take over  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 05:16 PM   #80 
      Yeah that was evident eariler in the week  Sebastian Doyle   Nov-07-09 05:20 PM   #83 
      Meh  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 05:25 PM   #87 
      There are a lot of cheerleaders adding accounts and trying to shift discussion on DU in recent month  Go2Peace   Nov-07-09 10:08 PM   #151 
   You again? Take a couple more hits off the pipe and we'll see ya later.  pattmarty   Nov-08-09 10:08 AM   #219 
   See my post 12 above  emulatorloo   Nov-07-09 01:42 PM   #7 
   actually they are pretty onerous  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 01:43 PM   #13 
      and yet people still receive assistance if they need it. n/t  emulatorloo   Nov-07-09 01:48 PM   #22 
         Some of the time nt  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 01:50 PM   #25 
         Right. That's why thousands of people are living in their cars and tents right now. eom  Hello_Kitty   Nov-07-09 07:24 PM   #138 
   The only part of this bill the Insurance Companies don't like  sabrina 1   Nov-07-09 02:45 PM   # 
   $5,000 per year would send me and many others right into Chapter 7.  closeupready   Nov-07-09 06:10 PM   #109 
   The Federal guidlines defining "afford it" are a joke - and least many of us screwed.  Political Heretic   Nov-07-09 10:22 PM   #158 
   steaming pile that does nothing to address the structural problems of health care.  KG   Nov-07-09 01:41 PM   #4 
   tell that to someone with a pre-existing condition or somebody who has had insurance cut off because  emulatorloo   Nov-07-09 01:50 PM   #24 
      I'll answer your question...  debbierlus   Nov-07-09 05:30 PM   #92 
         Exactly!!!!!! But This is Like Rocket Science to the Party of Lowered Expectations  theFrankFactor   Nov-08-09 11:18 AM   #226 
   then you support doing nothing, that exactly what will happen if this is voted down.  spanone   Nov-07-09 01:42 PM   #6 
   If the choice is between a step backwards and no step at all...  Xithras   Nov-07-09 06:28 PM   #121 
   I support withdrawing this shit and coming back next year.  Kansas Wyatt   Nov-08-09 01:17 AM   #182 
   Use your head  Fading Captain   Nov-08-09 02:34 AM   #196 
   Aye, the bill sucks blue whale  JVS   Nov-07-09 01:42 PM   #8 
   it's certainly your right to oppose this dem bill. nt  cry baby   Nov-07-09 01:42 PM   #9 
   France has a mandate and the premiums are deducted from people's pay checks.  berni_mccoy   Nov-07-09 01:42 PM   #10 
   You are honestly comparing this bill to the French system  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 01:45 PM   #19 
   No, no mandate in france. It is a single payer where healthcare is financed by payroll taxes and  Mass   Nov-07-09 01:59 PM   #40 
   It's also non-profit. eom  Hello_Kitty   Nov-07-09 07:27 PM   #139 
      Nope. There are for profit providers as well as for-profit insurance in France.  berni_mccoy   Nov-07-09 07:55 PM   #142 
         For profit insurers do not cover basic health they offer supplementals  Raineyb   Nov-07-09 11:22 PM   #166 
   k/r  emilyg   Nov-07-09 01:43 PM   #15 
   Hmmmm, it's called compromise in conference committee  DainBramaged   Nov-07-09 01:44 PM   #16 
   interesting point n/t  emulatorloo   Nov-07-09 01:55 PM   #32 
   The Senate is more pro-mandates than the House  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 01:56 PM   #36 
   that is a bet I will gladly take  dsc   Nov-07-09 05:07 PM   #75 
   It's designed to fail. The GOP will be running on this for years  anonymous171   Nov-07-09 01:44 PM   #18 
   That has been my point. At the least we should "repackage" and re-brand. This could set us up  Go2Peace   Nov-07-09 10:13 PM   #153 
   Agreed. I hope mandates will be found unconstitutional.  Nikki Stone1   Nov-07-09 01:46 PM   #21 
   I also cannot support this bill. Too many compromises. I know  kelly1mm   Nov-07-09 01:52 PM   #26 
   The Insurance companies hate it. So there must be something good in it.  emulatorloo   Nov-07-09 01:54 PM   #30 
      Hint: Any attempt to reform the system will be met with heavy resistance by the PTB  anonymous171   Nov-07-09 01:56 PM   #34 
      There is in fact some good in the bill - no preexisting condition  kelly1mm   Nov-07-09 02:14 PM   #53 
      That's a lie. They are not fighting hard right now and where they are it is  Go2Peace   Nov-07-09 10:14 PM   #154 
   So you clearly prefer the status quo to the bill?  stray cat   Nov-07-09 01:53 PM   #29 
   Allentown jake prefers the GOP plan. No healthcare reform for anyone, ever..  tridim   Nov-07-09 01:57 PM   #37 
      Yes because this bill is going to stop insurance premiums from flowing  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 01:58 PM   #39 
      I'm not the one supporting the insurance industry.  tridim   Nov-07-09 02:01 PM   #42 
         I'm not supporting the Insurance Industry either  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 02:02 PM   #43 
      In Fairness  C_Lawyer09   Nov-07-09 06:15 PM   #111 
   I agree, the mandate has to go  akwapez   Nov-07-09 01:55 PM   #33 
   Of course you don't  Hutzpa   Nov-07-09 01:56 PM   #35 
   Again  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 01:57 PM   #38 
      You speak of broad brush when  Hutzpa   Nov-07-09 02:09 PM   #48 
         Yes because I object to insurance mandates  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 02:13 PM   #51 
            Do you know what the STUPAK bill is?  Hutzpa   Nov-07-09 02:19 PM   #57 
               Obviously not. n/t  MaineDem   Nov-07-09 02:21 PM   #58 
               Sorry don't follow the minutia of every thing going on  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 02:21 PM   #60 
                  As you've rightly admited  Hutzpa   Nov-07-09 03:00 PM   #67 
   I second that motion -nt  notesdev   Nov-07-09 02:37 PM   #64 
   You are 100% wrong on the mandates.  grantcart   Nov-07-09 02:39 PM   #65 
   Dude, you don't need to explain how insurance works to us.  Hello_Kitty   Nov-07-09 05:23 PM   #86 
      +10,000  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 05:26 PM   #89 
      that's right!  dana_b   Nov-07-09 05:41 PM   #96 
      Nail on the Head!  bvar22   Nov-07-09 07:57 PM   #143 
      +1,000,000 n/t  BeHereNow   Nov-07-09 11:14 PM   #164 
      Thank you. nt  woo me with science   Nov-08-09 09:50 AM   #217 
      and kicking. nt  woo me with science   Nov-08-09 11:01 AM   #222 
      Totally!  Bluenorthwest   Nov-08-09 01:38 PM   #236 
   You're not for further burdening a crushed working class?  Prism   Nov-07-09 02:45 PM   #66 
   +10000000  Hello_Kitty   Nov-07-09 05:25 PM   #88 
   +100000000000000  leftstreet   Nov-08-09 01:39 PM   #237 
   Not only is this bill  Nite Owl   Nov-07-09 05:02 PM   #74 
   I don't support it either. The dems sold us out  debbierlus   Nov-07-09 05:11 PM   #77 
   Really Debbie!?  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 05:21 PM   #84 
      HughMoran, you are Stalking Debbie across boards.. cut it out!  Go2Peace   Nov-07-09 10:18 PM   #156 
      self-delete  Mithreal   Nov-08-09 01:07 AM   #175 
   This bill is a DLC wet dream,  Individualist   Nov-07-09 05:16 PM   #79 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-07-09 05:20 PM   #82 
   LOL  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 05:22 PM   #85 
      Well, it's more of a long-time pattern that we get used to  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 05:27 PM   #90 
         I actually spend 95% of my post bitching about  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 05:28 PM   #91 
            Yeah, I know  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 05:35 PM   #94 
               You are one of the good posters on here  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 05:39 PM   #95 
                  My fault - I conflated you with a couple of other posters from earlier today  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 05:42 PM   #97 
                     I don't think the provision I don't like is going to survive  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 05:44 PM   #99 
                        Jail is a ridiculous outcome for not carrying insurance  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 05:48 PM   #100 
                           I see it as a fresh coat of paint over a rotting wall  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 05:49 PM   #102 
                           I hope you're being overly pessimistic  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 05:52 PM   #103 
                           But "everybody" isn't buying into it if undocumented immigrants aren't covered.  Hello_Kitty   Nov-07-09 05:52 PM   #104 
                              Blame the fuckpublicans and Blue Meanie Democrats for that  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 05:55 PM   #105 
                              And at the end of the day it means that everyone is not covered. eom  Hello_Kitty   Nov-07-09 06:04 PM   #106 
                                 Clearly that's not technically possible at this time  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 06:06 PM   #107 
                                    So you're admitting that EVERYONE doesn't have to be covered.  Hello_Kitty   Nov-07-09 06:25 PM   #117 
                                       I wasn't being literal when I previously used the word "everybody"  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 06:27 PM   #119 
                                          Either everybody means everybody or it doesn't.  Hello_Kitty   Nov-07-09 06:35 PM   #122 
                                             Never mind  HughMoran   Nov-07-09 06:36 PM   #123 
                                                Um, I thought that's why DU was here. eom  Hello_Kitty   Nov-07-09 06:39 PM   #127 
                              Undocumented immigrants aren't covered anywhere.  ProSense   Nov-07-09 06:21 PM   #114 
                                 So I guess you're admitting that EVERYONE doesn't have to be covered for a health plan to work.  Hello_Kitty   Nov-07-09 06:24 PM   #116 
                                 No, you need to deal with reality. America is behind every other industrialized country and  ProSense   Nov-07-09 06:26 PM   #118 
                                    And again, you're acknowledging that EVERYONE doesn't need to be in the plan.  Hello_Kitty   Nov-07-09 06:38 PM   #124 
                                    Again, you're ignoring reality. n/t  ProSense   Nov-07-09 06:43 PM   #130 
                                    you are the one ignoring reality - see my response above  harmonicon   Nov-08-09 01:22 AM   #188 
                                 The UK for one - probably many others  harmonicon   Nov-08-09 01:18 AM   #185 
   I'm Just Chiming In To Support You AllentownJake... n/t  ChiciB1   Nov-07-09 05:31 PM   #93 
   Wow the martyred moderates are out in force today  Starry Messenger   Nov-07-09 06:09 PM   #108 
   It figures, more nonsensical crap  ProSense   Nov-07-09 06:14 PM   #110 
   There you are  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 06:18 PM   #112 
   Then you and Michelle Bachman and Virginia Foxx can meet together to plot strategy  bluestateguy   Nov-07-09 06:19 PM   #113 
   Dick Cheney and Barack Obama want more troops in Afganistan  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 06:22 PM   #115 
   I agree-- dems have pulled a classic bait and switch....  mike_c   Nov-07-09 06:27 PM   #120 
   while I agree with you that the bill is a piece of crap,  paulk   Nov-07-09 06:39 PM   #125 
   I'm not voting today  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 06:43 PM   #131 
   It has Obama's support  mdmc   Nov-07-09 06:40 PM   #128 
   It has his support but it wasn't the best they could have done.  Nikki Stone1   Nov-07-09 06:42 PM   #129 
      This is the new framework for medicare..no doubt in my mind..  mdmc   Nov-07-09 06:56 PM   #133 
         It's a shift in philosophy towards the North American Union  Nikki Stone1   Nov-07-09 07:40 PM   #141 
   I can't wait until this passes so that I can watch the all or nothing crowd and the  ChimpersMcSmirkers   Nov-07-09 06:49 PM   #132 
   I'll shrug my shoulders and eat a brownie  AllentownJake   Nov-07-09 06:57 PM   #134 
   I guess for some of us it is not a spectator sport.  Go2Peace   Nov-07-09 10:26 PM   #159 
   K&R. I agree completely.  highplainsdem   Nov-07-09 07:17 PM   #137 
   When asked by a little known news org where the constitution...  Gravel Democrat   Nov-07-09 07:27 PM   #140 
   "a little known news org" CNS News?  ProSense   Nov-07-09 08:45 PM   #145 
   Now, the Repubs can say--See! Healthcare reform is EVIL!!  CoffeeCat   Nov-07-09 09:31 PM   #146 
   "Fining or jailing working Americans is not the answer to the Health Insurance issue."  ZombieHorde   Nov-07-09 09:53 PM   #149 
   WOW I have never seen so many deletes , " MY POINT" no "MY POINT " HA  Grassy Knoll   Nov-07-09 10:07 PM   #150 
   Hear, hear. n/t  Laelth   Nov-07-09 10:10 PM   #152 
   If I could express how I really feel inside, I'd be put in prison.  nc4bo   Nov-07-09 10:34 PM   #160 
   And now it has passed and we're going to have to watch Pelosi and the other  dflprincess   Nov-07-09 11:19 PM   #165 
   I'd like to avoid a tombstone this evening, so I'll just say K&R.  jgraz   Nov-07-09 11:49 PM   #168 
   K&R  waiting for hope   Nov-07-09 11:52 PM   #169 
   Thank you, Jake. I agree wholeheartedly.  bertman   Nov-08-09 12:22 AM   #171 
   K&R! n/t  juno jones   Nov-08-09 01:00 AM   #174 
   They why don't you go to Free Republic and discuss it there  yodoobo   Nov-08-09 01:09 AM   #178 
   Sure and I'm sure you'd find plenty looking for escalation on the war in Afghanistan there  AllentownJake   Nov-08-09 01:11 AM   #179 
   You cannot escape the fact that you now agree with your enemy  yodoobo   Nov-08-09 01:14 AM   #181 
      You are with us or against us  AllentownJake   Nov-08-09 01:18 AM   #183 
      Now you are posting Bush propaganda?  yodoobo   Nov-08-09 01:20 AM   #187 
         No I'm comparing your statement  AllentownJake   Nov-08-09 01:26 AM   #191 
      You don't understand  sellitman   Nov-08-09 09:38 AM   #214 
   Why don't you take a trip over to K-Street, and party it up in celebration over there?  brentspeak   Nov-08-09 10:15 AM   #220 
   absolutely correct  TheWebHead   Nov-08-09 01:18 AM   #184 
   That is funny  AllentownJake   Nov-08-09 01:20 AM   #186 
   Agreed! with a rec n/t  rtassi   Nov-08-09 01:24 AM   #190 
   Preach brother!  autorank   Nov-08-09 01:51 AM   #192 
   Thanks, ATJ  dgibby   Nov-08-09 02:30 AM   #194 
   Word. Yet people here on DU can't see the major ripoff and massive giveaway this shitty "reform" is!  earth mom   Nov-08-09 02:35 AM   #197 
   all the nay sayers will be the ones signing up - including Repubs  tomm2thumbs   Nov-08-09 03:00 AM   #200 
   "it should fail." It passed with the support of these people  ProSense   Nov-08-09 04:00 AM   #202 
   Did we not essentialy get the Dole bill of 1993...?  JCMach1   Nov-08-09 04:35 AM   #203 
   K&R  Vidar   Nov-08-09 04:50 AM   #204 
   I agree...  winyanstaz   Nov-08-09 05:03 AM   #205 
   I do not support it, either, for  DemBones DemBones   Nov-08-09 06:13 AM   #206 
   I totally agree - this shit "reform" will destroy me financially  TorchTheWitch   Nov-08-09 06:48 AM   #208 
   K & R. It was bad enough before the atrocious abortion amendment  freddie mertz   Nov-08-09 07:07 AM   #210 
   "Fining or jailing working Americans is not the answer to the Health Insurance issue"  Echo In Light   Nov-08-09 08:32 AM   #213 
   I have a serious problem with this mandate. People try to compare it to car insurance. The fact of  IsItJustMe   Nov-08-09 09:41 AM   #215 
   This bill is a sham.  sellitman   Nov-08-09 09:42 AM   #216 
   We know. n/t  Fire1   Nov-08-09 10:59 AM   #221 
   A Piece of Shit Delivered By Industy Owner Opeators of Dem Congressional Heads  theFrankFactor   Nov-08-09 11:04 AM   #223 
   Agreed and I Support You AJ  theFrankFactor   Nov-08-09 11:08 AM   #224 
   The fed. will subsidize payments for the health ins. But yes, all Americans need  Honeycombe8   Nov-08-09 11:12 AM   #225 
   This bill sounds good,  emald   Nov-08-09 11:19 AM   #227 
   Democrats continue to slit their own throats...  scentopine   Nov-08-09 11:29 AM   #228 
 

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