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142. thank you. k&r. asking your god for forgiveness before doing a crime like this seems
reasonable to me. As part of a culture, "allah akbar" is a normal exclamation for a lot of situations that those who aren't part of the culture, or haven't been exposed to it, don't understand. Thank you for posting this.
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  -Allahu Akbar means "God is great". Barack_America  Nov-06-09 08:58 AM   #0 
  - It's a shame he wasn't a Christian  Dreamer Tatum   Nov-06-09 09:00 AM   #1 
  - I think it's a shame we know so little about Muslim culture.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:02 AM   #5 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-06-09 09:11 AM   #22 
  - and thus nothing will ever change. n/t  Desertrose   Nov-06-09 09:19 AM   #35 
  - Sure it will  JonQ   Nov-06-09 09:45 AM   #64 
  - It will if Islam evolves into a modern religion that  DemBones DemBones   Nov-06-09 09:55 AM   #80 
     - Because "modern" religions don't allow conflict?  brooklynite   Nov-06-09 10:02 AM   #93 
        - The troubles in the 6 counties was not a religous issue  ProgressiveProfessor   Nov-06-09 05:44 PM   #164 
  - Isn't he American?  Starry Messenger   Nov-06-09 09:24 AM   #39 
     - Yes  JonQ   Nov-06-09 09:46 AM   #66 
  - Have you read the Koran?  DemBones DemBones   Nov-06-09 09:27 AM   #43 
  - Well, that certainly explains the Crusades and the Inquisition.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:33 AM   #46 
  - "Truth is, both Christianity and Islam have historic associations with violence"  JonQ   Nov-06-09 09:47 AM   #67 
  - The Crusades were fought to regain land Muslims had taken from Christians,  DemBones DemBones   Nov-06-09 09:50 AM   #72 
     - Islam of today preaches violence no more so than does Christianity of today.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:56 AM   #83 
     - I think there are a few more muslim terrorists  JonQ   Nov-06-09 10:01 AM   #91 
     - Depends how you define "terrorist". What about Blackwater?  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 10:03 AM   #95 
        - When they start screaming "praise jesus" before killing  JonQ   Nov-06-09 12:58 PM   #159 
           - They have their own version. Blackwater was started and is run by a Christian extremist.  Hissyspit   Nov-07-09 04:46 AM   #178 
     - This site went after  leftynyc   Nov-06-09 10:34 AM   #119 
        - If it is proven Major Hasan did this for Islam, I will not give that a pass.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 10:38 AM   #121 
           - A common Arabic phrase  leftynyc   Nov-06-09 11:18 AM   #131 
           - And that Muslims utter every time they pray.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 11:20 AM   #132 
              - That's great  leftynyc   Nov-06-09 11:47 AM   #140 
                 - No. I think he was calling out to God. I don't know why he was doing so.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 11:49 AM   #141 
                    - Calling out for G-d just  leftynyc   Nov-06-09 12:22 PM   #154 
           - Was there ever a second of doubt  JonQ   Nov-06-09 12:16 PM   #153 
              - I don't believe I posted on that subject.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 12:24 PM   #155 
                 - I was talking in general terms  JonQ   Nov-06-09 12:46 PM   #156 
     - They were traitors whose allegiances were to the Pope. Do not defame the greatest woman in history.  imdjh   Nov-06-09 10:34 AM   #118 
     - Horsesnot ...  Cosmocat   Nov-06-09 11:30 AM   #133 
     - Actually, no. Christianity is the most populous religion in the world.  Withywindle   Nov-06-09 08:22 PM   #166 
     - The Crusades were fought to keep restless knights with  JerseygirlCT   Nov-06-09 08:39 PM   #168 
  - BULLSHIT.  IdaBriggs   Nov-06-09 09:55 AM   #79 
  - So either convert, submit and pay a fee  JonQ   Nov-06-09 09:59 AM   #85 
  - Yes, if Muslims take over a country, non-Muslims  DemBones DemBones   Nov-06-09 10:03 AM   #97 
  - I love apologists  JonQ   Nov-06-09 10:12 AM   #107 
  - When armies of conquerors were using the excuse of "faith"  IdaBriggs   Nov-07-09 04:19 AM   #173 
     - You know what's funny?  JonQ   Nov-07-09 01:47 PM   #186 
  - Read the Koran itself, not Islam-Watch, which  DemBones DemBones   Nov-06-09 10:01 AM   #89 
     - Since I actually study the religion / work with  IdaBriggs   Nov-07-09 03:56 AM   #171 
  - No, but I own a Kia  imdjh   Nov-06-09 10:32 AM   #117 
  - They want to take over the world?  eridani   Nov-07-09 05:42 AM   #183 
  - There really isn't such a thing as Muslim culture.  cali   Nov-06-09 09:42 AM   #58 
  - How do you think this would go over in the middle east  JonQ   Nov-06-09 11:06 AM   #129 
  - It is not possible to discuss the conflict itself.  Igel   Nov-06-09 01:16 PM   #160 
  - And the media wouldn't really pay it any attention if he had said that.  Rabrrrrrr   Nov-06-09 09:03 AM   #7 
  - Yeah  JonQ   Nov-06-09 09:12 AM   #23 
  - You nailed it.  DemBones DemBones   Nov-06-09 09:36 AM   #49 
  - If you think I'm defending him, you are mistaken.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:39 AM   #55 
  - When the people who use that phrase prior to killing innocents  JonQ   Nov-06-09 09:48 AM   #69 
  - I disagree.  TicketyBoo   Nov-07-09 04:29 AM   #175 
  - +1--the religiously insane are bad news, no matter which religion.  TwilightGardener   Nov-06-09 09:48 AM   #68 
  - He wasn't a Christian, he was a Muslim. baroach Goldstein was Jew. In both cases they  still_one   Nov-06-09 09:14 AM   #25 
  - I think we should withhold judgment...  StarfarerBill   Nov-06-09 11:02 AM   #124 
  - That seems logical.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 11:03 AM   #125 
  - If God is so great  chaplainM   Nov-06-09 12:51 PM   #157 
  - Yeah, but to the FOX news folk, it means "Death to white conservative Christian men!"  Rabrrrrrr   Nov-06-09 09:01 AM   #2 
  - our god is better than yours......... nt  msongs   Nov-06-09 09:01 AM   #3 
  - Any praising of any God before you  SIMPLYB1980   Nov-06-09 09:02 AM   #4 
  - Yes. But the same Christians who will be appalled at "Allahu Akbar"...  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:04 AM   #8 
  - For a christian shooting American soldiers? I highly doubt it. nt  sufrommich   Nov-06-09 09:06 AM   #11 
  - Anti-Muslim bias much?  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:10 AM   #20 
     - Violence is inherent in ALL WESTERN RELIGIONS period. I can name numerous examples  still_one   Nov-06-09 09:21 AM   #36 
     - Yes. That is an excellent point about all Western religions.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:28 AM   #45 
     - How about in the last decade?  ProgressiveProfessor   Nov-06-09 10:12 AM   #105 
        - What the hell are you talking about?  Raineyb   Nov-06-09 01:46 PM   #162 
           - Relative Risk at a macro level  ProgressiveProfessor   Nov-06-09 05:41 PM   #163 
              - I don't see how you can say that any of those groups are at less risk from Christianity  Raineyb   Nov-06-09 08:43 PM   #170 
              - Wow.  Hissyspit   Nov-07-09 04:37 AM   #177 
                 - I say the same thing when I see people unable discern differences in risks  ProgressiveProfessor   Nov-07-09 09:22 AM   #184 
     - What the hell are you talking about? You claimed that christians  sufrommich   Nov-06-09 09:39 AM   #53 
     - I took it to mean you doubted a Christian would commit such a crime.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:41 AM   #57 
        - A misunderstanding, no problem.Peace.  sufrommich   Nov-06-09 09:43 AM   #60 
     - Yes it does, revering of martyrdom with its rewards and such.  ProgressiveProfessor   Nov-06-09 10:11 AM   #103 
  - Well fuck the Christians that can't see their own hypocrisy.  SIMPLYB1980   Nov-06-09 09:07 AM   #13 
  - You really think that Christians would be sympathetic to murdering soldiers?  Coventina   Nov-06-09 09:09 AM   #19 
  - I'm speaking not of the crime, but the expression itself.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:14 AM   #27 
  - How do you know what was in HIS mind? There are reports that he had internet discussions  still_one   Nov-06-09 09:24 AM   #38 
  - I don't. And his saying "Allahu Akbar" doesn't tell anybody else, either.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:36 AM   #50 
     - Then I agree /nt  still_one   Nov-06-09 09:38 AM   #52 
  - You are leaving out its common use as a battle cry.  Coventina   Nov-06-09 09:26 AM   #41 
  - Define how it is used as a battle cry.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:35 AM   #47 
  - Allahu Akbar translates to "God is greater" not "God help me"  Coventina   Nov-06-09 09:44 AM   #63 
  - Where have you been, in a cave? Suicide bombers shout "Allahu Akbar"  DemBones DemBones   Nov-06-09 10:13 AM   #108 
     - Read the post please, rather than just the title.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 10:27 AM   #113 
  - Like Onward Chrisian Soldiers? At least it wasn't put into song...  T Wolf   Nov-06-09 09:55 AM   #78 
     - If you think I'm giving Christian violence a pass, let me disabuse  Coventina   Nov-06-09 10:02 AM   #92 
  - Not the same at all  leftynyc   Nov-06-09 10:46 AM   #123 
  - There were many christists who were thrilled with Dr. Tiller's murder for THIER religious reasons.  T Wolf   Nov-06-09 09:54 AM   #76 
     - see my post #92 n/t  Coventina   Nov-06-09 10:03 AM   #96 
     - That is highly offensive.  TicketyBoo   Nov-07-09 04:54 AM   #179 
  - bullfucking shit. I doubt there are many Christians, Jews, Muslims  cali   Nov-06-09 09:46 AM   #65 
  - No way do I accept anyone killing for any reason  DemBones DemBones   Nov-06-09 10:07 AM   #102 
  - That is not 'praising' - which is the point of the OP.  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-06-09 09:14 AM   #26 
     - Oh I see it differently I see it as a way for any religious  SIMPLYB1980   Nov-06-09 09:17 AM   #31 
  - is that difficult?  imdjh   Nov-06-09 09:03 AM   #6 
  - Sorry? What hoops have I jumped through here?  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:05 AM   #10 
     - You're being slightly disingenuous  Dreamer Tatum   Nov-06-09 09:08 AM   #17 
     - It is ALSO the hallmark of the 99% of Muslims are are NOT radical  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-06-09 09:18 AM   #33 
     - Yes. I've also seen Iranian youth screaming "Allahu Akbar" from their roofs...  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:23 AM   #37 
     - the usage of the phrase varies.  cali   Nov-06-09 09:49 AM   #70 
  - Absolutely correct. It is the same as if he had said "Jess me ahorra" which according to  T Wolf   Nov-06-09 09:04 AM   #9 
  - Did McVey scream an ancient Gaelic war cry before blowing up the OK building?  imdjh   Nov-06-09 09:09 AM   #18 
  - Wolf  maglatinavi   Nov-06-09 09:51 AM   #73 
  - No hablo espaol - obviamente. And barely English. But maybe BabbleFish is smarter  T Wolf   Nov-06-09 10:12 AM   #106 
  - ...  spoony   Nov-06-09 12:11 PM   #148 
  - Indeed a very wide-spread saying that can not be solely attributed to religious nuts.  Democracyinkind   Nov-06-09 09:06 AM   #12 
  - I thought it meant "It's a trap!"  Blue-Jay   Nov-06-09 09:08 AM   #14 
  - People have been killing in the name of religion forever  still_one   Nov-06-09 09:08 AM   #15 
  - There should be no "shit, shit, shit" reaction .... exactly. thank you.  seabeyond   Nov-06-09 09:08 AM   #16 
  - Very Vulcan. nt  imdjh   Nov-06-09 09:11 AM   #21 
     - hm. lol. nt  seabeyond   Nov-06-09 09:44 AM   #61 
  - I assume you have the same response to christian fundie terrorists?  JonQ   Nov-06-09 09:13 AM   #24 
  - Of course, and what do you think the crusades were about. That doesn't mean he  still_one   Nov-06-09 09:17 AM   #30 
  - No doubt Hasan is well aware of how his comments will be viewed in context  slackmaster   Nov-06-09 09:15 AM   #28 
  - That is quite an assumption.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 10:40 AM   #122 
     - A rather safe one, I think  slackmaster   Nov-06-09 11:45 AM   #138 
  - I am a Christian. The issue to me is using your religion to kill others.  Jennicut   Nov-06-09 09:16 AM   #29 
  - Exactly. /nt  still_one   Nov-06-09 09:17 AM   #32 
  - you mean like, say, preventing stem cell research?  Skittles   Nov-06-09 09:35 AM   #48 
     - Yup. As a diabetic, I know stem cell research would benefit many people.  Jennicut   Nov-06-09 10:16 AM   #111 
        - I've seen the pain of diabetes  Skittles   Nov-06-09 07:05 PM   #165 
  - Thanks for this..we apparently need to learn a bit more  Desertrose   Nov-06-09 09:18 AM   #34 
  - It's religion  izquierdista   Nov-06-09 09:25 AM   #40 
  - Read some history. Buddhists have fought wars,  DemBones DemBones   Nov-06-09 10:16 AM   #109 
     - And Nixon was a Quaker  izquierdista   Nov-06-09 10:36 AM   #120 
  - oh for the love of reason. it doesn't fucking matter why he said it or  cali   Nov-06-09 09:53 AM   #75 
  - but but but ... he didn't say it in Engerlish!1!!!1!!  Myrina   Nov-06-09 09:27 AM   #42 
  - None of "the story" that the government is feeding us about this soldier's actions ...  ShortnFiery   Nov-06-09 09:28 AM   #44 
  - Virtually all terrorist say it before they attack.  Statistical   Nov-06-09 09:39 AM   #54 
  - And more commonly uttered before NOT committing a terrorist attack.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:51 AM   #74 
     - Agreed. It has non violent relevence also.  Statistical   Nov-06-09 09:58 AM   #84 
  - Because it would be impossible  JonQ   Nov-06-09 09:56 AM   #82 
  - I was watching Rick Steve's Europe special on Iran  liberal_at_heart   Nov-06-09 09:37 AM   #51 
  - "Would our culture fault someone for saying "God help me" before carrying  cali   Nov-06-09 09:40 AM   #56 
  - Not as absurd to assume it means he killed for Islam.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:44 AM   #62 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-06-09 09:59 AM   #86 
     - You can't look at words in void.  Statistical   Nov-06-09 10:03 AM   #94 
     - I said absolutely NOTHING like that in my OP  cali   Nov-06-09 11:05 AM   #127 
  - This is what cowards scream before they blow up themselves or after they've set off an IED  951-Riverside   Nov-06-09 09:43 AM   #59 
  - Try talking to some Muslim people.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:50 AM   #71 
  - Did you even watch the videos or are you defending his acts?  951-Riverside   Nov-06-09 10:05 AM   #101 
     - Did you watch the video?  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 10:30 AM   #114 
  - Don't get too worked up  Dreamer Tatum   Nov-06-09 10:00 AM   #88 
     - Speaking of logical fallacies...  Hissyspit   Nov-07-09 05:02 AM   #180 
  - Unrec for spin. The phrase is also used as a jihadist battle cry.  Romulox   Nov-06-09 09:54 AM   #77 
  - No spin. I noted that it is a call for God's help.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 10:00 AM   #87 
     - The spin is insisting that "calling out for god's help" whilst engaging in murder of civilians  Romulox   Nov-06-09 10:05 AM   #100 
        - That was intentional.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 10:26 AM   #112 
           - Right. But the context is there. "Allah Akbhar" + slaughtering non-combatants  Romulox   Nov-06-09 10:31 AM   #115 
  - Sadly, it's also come to mean "it's time to meet your maker"  HughMoran   Nov-06-09 09:55 AM   #81 
  - Didn't the crazy Egyptian co-pilot who downed an airliner say the phrase?  TwilightGardener   Nov-06-09 10:01 AM   #90 
  - All I know is, if I hear it, I am going to run like hell.  TwilightGardener   Nov-06-09 10:04 AM   #98 
  - As any sane person would do. nt  Dreamer Tatum   Nov-06-09 10:12 AM   #104 
  - Why would your run?  ProgressiveProfessor   Nov-06-09 10:16 AM   #110 
  - Edit: sorry, responded to wrong post. nt  Romulox   Nov-06-09 11:04 AM   #126 
  - Yeah, except ...  Cosmocat   Nov-06-09 11:36 AM   #135 
  - This thread is further evidence that ALL religion should be wiped from the earth.  MNDemNY   Nov-06-09 10:04 AM   #99 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-06-09 10:32 AM   #116 
  - Bullshit. Muslims are a cornerstone of my community. Fine neighbors. Fine people.  Romulox   Nov-06-09 11:05 AM   #128 
  - No dispute from me, still, though religion, all of them, are a scourge on humanity.  MNDemNY   Nov-06-09 11:47 AM   #139 
  - Hmm, sounds like a crusade.  spoony   Nov-06-09 12:01 PM   #143 
     - No, an "awakening" !!!  MNDemNY   Nov-06-09 12:07 PM   #145 
        - Uh huh, thought better of it then?  spoony   Nov-06-09 12:09 PM   #146 
        - There is "wiping" then there is "wiping" either way, it's gotta go!!  MNDemNY   Nov-06-09 12:10 PM   #147 
           - wiping = an action, by another  spoony   Nov-06-09 12:14 PM   #151 
              - Either way is fine by me.  MNDemNY   Nov-06-09 12:16 PM   #152 
        - self delete...  LanternWaste   Nov-06-09 12:12 PM   #149 
           - Yup.  MNDemNY   Nov-06-09 12:13 PM   #150 
  - Christians use this phrase too.  izzybeans   Nov-06-09 11:11 AM   #130 
  - You "reasoning" is muddled.  deaniac21   Nov-06-09 11:32 AM   #134 
  - Care to elaborate?  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 11:37 AM   #137 
     - In this case it's so obvious that no elaboration is necessary.  deaniac21   Nov-06-09 12:51 PM   #158 
        - Okay, I take it you have no argument then.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 01:17 PM   #161 
  - If there was a God, he'd be pissed at having to take the rap that religion lays on him.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-06-09 11:37 AM   #136 
  - Agree.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 12:02 PM   #144 
  - thank you. k&r. asking your god for forgiveness before doing a crime like this seems  uppityperson   Nov-06-09 11:59 AM   #142 
  - Reasonable? There is nothing reasonable about mass murder  cali   Nov-07-09 04:04 AM   #172 
     - I did not say there is anything reasonable about mass murder  uppityperson   Nov-07-09 07:13 PM   #187 
  - Allahu Akbar means duck and cover to me at this point.  OnceUponTimeOnTheNet   Nov-06-09 08:36 PM   #167 
  - I'm kind of swimming upstream here by recommending this thread  varelse   Nov-06-09 08:42 PM   #169 
  - Yes, if a Christian shouted "God help me" before gunning down a dozen or so people,  smalll   Nov-07-09 04:20 AM   #174 
  - Sorry but if I'm sitting in a restaurant or on a airplane and I hear "Allahu Akbar!"  proteus_lives   Nov-07-09 04:32 AM   #176 
  - "The expression does not mean, 'Jihad time'"  TicketyBoo   Nov-07-09 05:13 AM   #181 
  - You are working so hard here. nt  woo me with science   Nov-07-09 05:22 AM   #182 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-07-09 01:18 PM   #185 
 

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