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133. Horsesnot ...
There are what, three, four times the number of muslims as there are christians on this planet? If Islam was teaching that "violence is acceptable, even desireable" on the level you are pushing, we would be a in WORLD of hurt ...

What is going on with extremist muslims is the same as what does on with extremist christians - David Koresh and branch dividians and WACO highlight what people who perverse the meaning of religion can do. James Jones wasn't a muslim ... ect.

This isn't an issue of the religions, this is an issue of deranged lunatics channeling religion - no religion is immune to it.

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  -Allahu Akbar means "God is great". Barack_America  Nov-06-09 08:58 AM   #0 
  - It's a shame he wasn't a Christian  Dreamer Tatum   Nov-06-09 09:00 AM   #1 
  - I think it's a shame we know so little about Muslim culture.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:02 AM   #5 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-06-09 09:11 AM   #22 
  - and thus nothing will ever change. n/t  Desertrose   Nov-06-09 09:19 AM   #35 
  - Sure it will  JonQ   Nov-06-09 09:45 AM   #64 
  - It will if Islam evolves into a modern religion that  DemBones DemBones   Nov-06-09 09:55 AM   #80 
     - Because "modern" religions don't allow conflict?  brooklynite   Nov-06-09 10:02 AM   #93 
        - The troubles in the 6 counties was not a religous issue  ProgressiveProfessor   Nov-06-09 05:44 PM   #164 
  - Isn't he American?  Starry Messenger   Nov-06-09 09:24 AM   #39 
     - Yes  JonQ   Nov-06-09 09:46 AM   #66 
  - Have you read the Koran?  DemBones DemBones   Nov-06-09 09:27 AM   #43 
  - Well, that certainly explains the Crusades and the Inquisition.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:33 AM   #46 
  - "Truth is, both Christianity and Islam have historic associations with violence"  JonQ   Nov-06-09 09:47 AM   #67 
  - The Crusades were fought to regain land Muslims had taken from Christians,  DemBones DemBones   Nov-06-09 09:50 AM   #72 
     - Islam of today preaches violence no more so than does Christianity of today.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:56 AM   #83 
     - I think there are a few more muslim terrorists  JonQ   Nov-06-09 10:01 AM   #91 
     - Depends how you define "terrorist". What about Blackwater?  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 10:03 AM   #95 
        - When they start screaming "praise jesus" before killing  JonQ   Nov-06-09 12:58 PM   #159 
           - They have their own version. Blackwater was started and is run by a Christian extremist.  Hissyspit   Nov-07-09 04:46 AM   #178 
     - This site went after  leftynyc   Nov-06-09 10:34 AM   #119 
        - If it is proven Major Hasan did this for Islam, I will not give that a pass.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 10:38 AM   #121 
           - A common Arabic phrase  leftynyc   Nov-06-09 11:18 AM   #131 
           - And that Muslims utter every time they pray.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 11:20 AM   #132 
              - That's great  leftynyc   Nov-06-09 11:47 AM   #140 
                 - No. I think he was calling out to God. I don't know why he was doing so.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 11:49 AM   #141 
                    - Calling out for G-d just  leftynyc   Nov-06-09 12:22 PM   #154 
           - Was there ever a second of doubt  JonQ   Nov-06-09 12:16 PM   #153 
              - I don't believe I posted on that subject.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 12:24 PM   #155 
                 - I was talking in general terms  JonQ   Nov-06-09 12:46 PM   #156 
     - They were traitors whose allegiances were to the Pope. Do not defame the greatest woman in history.  imdjh   Nov-06-09 10:34 AM   #118 
     - Horsesnot ...  Cosmocat   Nov-06-09 11:30 AM   #133 
     - Actually, no. Christianity is the most populous religion in the world.  Withywindle   Nov-06-09 08:22 PM   #166 
     - The Crusades were fought to keep restless knights with  JerseygirlCT   Nov-06-09 08:39 PM   #168 
  - BULLSHIT.  IdaBriggs   Nov-06-09 09:55 AM   #79 
  - So either convert, submit and pay a fee  JonQ   Nov-06-09 09:59 AM   #85 
  - Yes, if Muslims take over a country, non-Muslims  DemBones DemBones   Nov-06-09 10:03 AM   #97 
  - I love apologists  JonQ   Nov-06-09 10:12 AM   #107 
  - When armies of conquerors were using the excuse of "faith"  IdaBriggs   Nov-07-09 04:19 AM   #173 
     - You know what's funny?  JonQ   Nov-07-09 01:47 PM   #186 
  - Read the Koran itself, not Islam-Watch, which  DemBones DemBones   Nov-06-09 10:01 AM   #89 
     - Since I actually study the religion / work with  IdaBriggs   Nov-07-09 03:56 AM   #171 
  - No, but I own a Kia  imdjh   Nov-06-09 10:32 AM   #117 
  - They want to take over the world?  eridani   Nov-07-09 05:42 AM   #183 
  - There really isn't such a thing as Muslim culture.  cali   Nov-06-09 09:42 AM   #58 
  - How do you think this would go over in the middle east  JonQ   Nov-06-09 11:06 AM   #129 
  - It is not possible to discuss the conflict itself.  Igel   Nov-06-09 01:16 PM   #160 
  - And the media wouldn't really pay it any attention if he had said that.  Rabrrrrrr   Nov-06-09 09:03 AM   #7 
  - Yeah  JonQ   Nov-06-09 09:12 AM   #23 
  - You nailed it.  DemBones DemBones   Nov-06-09 09:36 AM   #49 
  - If you think I'm defending him, you are mistaken.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:39 AM   #55 
  - When the people who use that phrase prior to killing innocents  JonQ   Nov-06-09 09:48 AM   #69 
  - I disagree.  TicketyBoo   Nov-07-09 04:29 AM   #175 
  - +1--the religiously insane are bad news, no matter which religion.  TwilightGardener   Nov-06-09 09:48 AM   #68 
  - He wasn't a Christian, he was a Muslim. baroach Goldstein was Jew. In both cases they  still_one   Nov-06-09 09:14 AM   #25 
  - I think we should withhold judgment...  StarfarerBill   Nov-06-09 11:02 AM   #124 
  - That seems logical.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 11:03 AM   #125 
  - If God is so great  chaplainM   Nov-06-09 12:51 PM   #157 
  - Yeah, but to the FOX news folk, it means "Death to white conservative Christian men!"  Rabrrrrrr   Nov-06-09 09:01 AM   #2 
  - our god is better than yours......... nt  msongs   Nov-06-09 09:01 AM   #3 
  - Any praising of any God before you  SIMPLYB1980   Nov-06-09 09:02 AM   #4 
  - Yes. But the same Christians who will be appalled at "Allahu Akbar"...  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:04 AM   #8 
  - For a christian shooting American soldiers? I highly doubt it. nt  sufrommich   Nov-06-09 09:06 AM   #11 
  - Anti-Muslim bias much?  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:10 AM   #20 
     - Violence is inherent in ALL WESTERN RELIGIONS period. I can name numerous examples  still_one   Nov-06-09 09:21 AM   #36 
     - Yes. That is an excellent point about all Western religions.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:28 AM   #45 
     - How about in the last decade?  ProgressiveProfessor   Nov-06-09 10:12 AM   #105 
        - What the hell are you talking about?  Raineyb   Nov-06-09 01:46 PM   #162 
           - Relative Risk at a macro level  ProgressiveProfessor   Nov-06-09 05:41 PM   #163 
              - I don't see how you can say that any of those groups are at less risk from Christianity  Raineyb   Nov-06-09 08:43 PM   #170 
              - Wow.  Hissyspit   Nov-07-09 04:37 AM   #177 
                 - I say the same thing when I see people unable discern differences in risks  ProgressiveProfessor   Nov-07-09 09:22 AM   #184 
     - What the hell are you talking about? You claimed that christians  sufrommich   Nov-06-09 09:39 AM   #53 
     - I took it to mean you doubted a Christian would commit such a crime.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:41 AM   #57 
        - A misunderstanding, no problem.Peace.  sufrommich   Nov-06-09 09:43 AM   #60 
     - Yes it does, revering of martyrdom with its rewards and such.  ProgressiveProfessor   Nov-06-09 10:11 AM   #103 
  - Well fuck the Christians that can't see their own hypocrisy.  SIMPLYB1980   Nov-06-09 09:07 AM   #13 
  - You really think that Christians would be sympathetic to murdering soldiers?  Coventina   Nov-06-09 09:09 AM   #19 
  - I'm speaking not of the crime, but the expression itself.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:14 AM   #27 
  - How do you know what was in HIS mind? There are reports that he had internet discussions  still_one   Nov-06-09 09:24 AM   #38 
  - I don't. And his saying "Allahu Akbar" doesn't tell anybody else, either.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:36 AM   #50 
     - Then I agree /nt  still_one   Nov-06-09 09:38 AM   #52 
  - You are leaving out its common use as a battle cry.  Coventina   Nov-06-09 09:26 AM   #41 
  - Define how it is used as a battle cry.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:35 AM   #47 
  - Allahu Akbar translates to "God is greater" not "God help me"  Coventina   Nov-06-09 09:44 AM   #63 
  - Where have you been, in a cave? Suicide bombers shout "Allahu Akbar"  DemBones DemBones   Nov-06-09 10:13 AM   #108 
     - Read the post please, rather than just the title.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 10:27 AM   #113 
  - Like Onward Chrisian Soldiers? At least it wasn't put into song...  T Wolf   Nov-06-09 09:55 AM   #78 
     - If you think I'm giving Christian violence a pass, let me disabuse  Coventina   Nov-06-09 10:02 AM   #92 
  - Not the same at all  leftynyc   Nov-06-09 10:46 AM   #123 
  - There were many christists who were thrilled with Dr. Tiller's murder for THIER religious reasons.  T Wolf   Nov-06-09 09:54 AM   #76 
     - see my post #92 n/t  Coventina   Nov-06-09 10:03 AM   #96 
     - That is highly offensive.  TicketyBoo   Nov-07-09 04:54 AM   #179 
  - bullfucking shit. I doubt there are many Christians, Jews, Muslims  cali   Nov-06-09 09:46 AM   #65 
  - No way do I accept anyone killing for any reason  DemBones DemBones   Nov-06-09 10:07 AM   #102 
  - That is not 'praising' - which is the point of the OP.  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-06-09 09:14 AM   #26 
     - Oh I see it differently I see it as a way for any religious  SIMPLYB1980   Nov-06-09 09:17 AM   #31 
  - is that difficult?  imdjh   Nov-06-09 09:03 AM   #6 
  - Sorry? What hoops have I jumped through here?  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:05 AM   #10 
     - You're being slightly disingenuous  Dreamer Tatum   Nov-06-09 09:08 AM   #17 
     - It is ALSO the hallmark of the 99% of Muslims are are NOT radical  RaleighNCDUer   Nov-06-09 09:18 AM   #33 
     - Yes. I've also seen Iranian youth screaming "Allahu Akbar" from their roofs...  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:23 AM   #37 
     - the usage of the phrase varies.  cali   Nov-06-09 09:49 AM   #70 
  - Absolutely correct. It is the same as if he had said "Jess me ahorra" which according to  T Wolf   Nov-06-09 09:04 AM   #9 
  - Did McVey scream an ancient Gaelic war cry before blowing up the OK building?  imdjh   Nov-06-09 09:09 AM   #18 
  - Wolf  maglatinavi   Nov-06-09 09:51 AM   #73 
  - No hablo espaol - obviamente. And barely English. But maybe BabbleFish is smarter  T Wolf   Nov-06-09 10:12 AM   #106 
  - ...  spoony   Nov-06-09 12:11 PM   #148 
  - Indeed a very wide-spread saying that can not be solely attributed to religious nuts.  Democracyinkind   Nov-06-09 09:06 AM   #12 
  - I thought it meant "It's a trap!"  Blue-Jay   Nov-06-09 09:08 AM   #14 
  - People have been killing in the name of religion forever  still_one   Nov-06-09 09:08 AM   #15 
  - There should be no "shit, shit, shit" reaction .... exactly. thank you.  seabeyond   Nov-06-09 09:08 AM   #16 
  - Very Vulcan. nt  imdjh   Nov-06-09 09:11 AM   #21 
     - hm. lol. nt  seabeyond   Nov-06-09 09:44 AM   #61 
  - I assume you have the same response to christian fundie terrorists?  JonQ   Nov-06-09 09:13 AM   #24 
  - Of course, and what do you think the crusades were about. That doesn't mean he  still_one   Nov-06-09 09:17 AM   #30 
  - No doubt Hasan is well aware of how his comments will be viewed in context  slackmaster   Nov-06-09 09:15 AM   #28 
  - That is quite an assumption.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 10:40 AM   #122 
     - A rather safe one, I think  slackmaster   Nov-06-09 11:45 AM   #138 
  - I am a Christian. The issue to me is using your religion to kill others.  Jennicut   Nov-06-09 09:16 AM   #29 
  - Exactly. /nt  still_one   Nov-06-09 09:17 AM   #32 
  - you mean like, say, preventing stem cell research?  Skittles   Nov-06-09 09:35 AM   #48 
     - Yup. As a diabetic, I know stem cell research would benefit many people.  Jennicut   Nov-06-09 10:16 AM   #111 
        - I've seen the pain of diabetes  Skittles   Nov-06-09 07:05 PM   #165 
  - Thanks for this..we apparently need to learn a bit more  Desertrose   Nov-06-09 09:18 AM   #34 
  - It's religion  izquierdista   Nov-06-09 09:25 AM   #40 
  - Read some history. Buddhists have fought wars,  DemBones DemBones   Nov-06-09 10:16 AM   #109 
     - And Nixon was a Quaker  izquierdista   Nov-06-09 10:36 AM   #120 
  - oh for the love of reason. it doesn't fucking matter why he said it or  cali   Nov-06-09 09:53 AM   #75 
  - but but but ... he didn't say it in Engerlish!1!!!1!!  Myrina   Nov-06-09 09:27 AM   #42 
  - None of "the story" that the government is feeding us about this soldier's actions ...  ShortnFiery   Nov-06-09 09:28 AM   #44 
  - Virtually all terrorist say it before they attack.  Statistical   Nov-06-09 09:39 AM   #54 
  - And more commonly uttered before NOT committing a terrorist attack.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:51 AM   #74 
     - Agreed. It has non violent relevence also.  Statistical   Nov-06-09 09:58 AM   #84 
  - Because it would be impossible  JonQ   Nov-06-09 09:56 AM   #82 
  - I was watching Rick Steve's Europe special on Iran  liberal_at_heart   Nov-06-09 09:37 AM   #51 
  - "Would our culture fault someone for saying "God help me" before carrying  cali   Nov-06-09 09:40 AM   #56 
  - Not as absurd to assume it means he killed for Islam.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:44 AM   #62 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-06-09 09:59 AM   #86 
     - You can't look at words in void.  Statistical   Nov-06-09 10:03 AM   #94 
     - I said absolutely NOTHING like that in my OP  cali   Nov-06-09 11:05 AM   #127 
  - This is what cowards scream before they blow up themselves or after they've set off an IED  951-Riverside   Nov-06-09 09:43 AM   #59 
  - Try talking to some Muslim people.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 09:50 AM   #71 
  - Did you even watch the videos or are you defending his acts?  951-Riverside   Nov-06-09 10:05 AM   #101 
     - Did you watch the video?  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 10:30 AM   #114 
  - Don't get too worked up  Dreamer Tatum   Nov-06-09 10:00 AM   #88 
     - Speaking of logical fallacies...  Hissyspit   Nov-07-09 05:02 AM   #180 
  - Unrec for spin. The phrase is also used as a jihadist battle cry.  Romulox   Nov-06-09 09:54 AM   #77 
  - No spin. I noted that it is a call for God's help.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 10:00 AM   #87 
     - The spin is insisting that "calling out for god's help" whilst engaging in murder of civilians  Romulox   Nov-06-09 10:05 AM   #100 
        - That was intentional.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 10:26 AM   #112 
           - Right. But the context is there. "Allah Akbhar" + slaughtering non-combatants  Romulox   Nov-06-09 10:31 AM   #115 
  - Sadly, it's also come to mean "it's time to meet your maker"  HughMoran   Nov-06-09 09:55 AM   #81 
  - Didn't the crazy Egyptian co-pilot who downed an airliner say the phrase?  TwilightGardener   Nov-06-09 10:01 AM   #90 
  - All I know is, if I hear it, I am going to run like hell.  TwilightGardener   Nov-06-09 10:04 AM   #98 
  - As any sane person would do. nt  Dreamer Tatum   Nov-06-09 10:12 AM   #104 
  - Why would your run?  ProgressiveProfessor   Nov-06-09 10:16 AM   #110 
  - Edit: sorry, responded to wrong post. nt  Romulox   Nov-06-09 11:04 AM   #126 
  - Yeah, except ...  Cosmocat   Nov-06-09 11:36 AM   #135 
  - This thread is further evidence that ALL religion should be wiped from the earth.  MNDemNY   Nov-06-09 10:04 AM   #99 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-06-09 10:32 AM   #116 
  - Bullshit. Muslims are a cornerstone of my community. Fine neighbors. Fine people.  Romulox   Nov-06-09 11:05 AM   #128 
  - No dispute from me, still, though religion, all of them, are a scourge on humanity.  MNDemNY   Nov-06-09 11:47 AM   #139 
  - Hmm, sounds like a crusade.  spoony   Nov-06-09 12:01 PM   #143 
     - No, an "awakening" !!!  MNDemNY   Nov-06-09 12:07 PM   #145 
        - Uh huh, thought better of it then?  spoony   Nov-06-09 12:09 PM   #146 
        - There is "wiping" then there is "wiping" either way, it's gotta go!!  MNDemNY   Nov-06-09 12:10 PM   #147 
           - wiping = an action, by another  spoony   Nov-06-09 12:14 PM   #151 
              - Either way is fine by me.  MNDemNY   Nov-06-09 12:16 PM   #152 
        - self delete...  LanternWaste   Nov-06-09 12:12 PM   #149 
           - Yup.  MNDemNY   Nov-06-09 12:13 PM   #150 
  - Christians use this phrase too.  izzybeans   Nov-06-09 11:11 AM   #130 
  - You "reasoning" is muddled.  deaniac21   Nov-06-09 11:32 AM   #134 
  - Care to elaborate?  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 11:37 AM   #137 
     - In this case it's so obvious that no elaboration is necessary.  deaniac21   Nov-06-09 12:51 PM   #158 
        - Okay, I take it you have no argument then.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 01:17 PM   #161 
  - If there was a God, he'd be pissed at having to take the rap that religion lays on him.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-06-09 11:37 AM   #136 
  - Agree.  Barack_America   Nov-06-09 12:02 PM   #144 
  - thank you. k&r. asking your god for forgiveness before doing a crime like this seems  uppityperson   Nov-06-09 11:59 AM   #142 
  - Reasonable? There is nothing reasonable about mass murder  cali   Nov-07-09 04:04 AM   #172 
     - I did not say there is anything reasonable about mass murder  uppityperson   Nov-07-09 07:13 PM   #187 
  - Allahu Akbar means duck and cover to me at this point.  OnceUponTimeOnTheNet   Nov-06-09 08:36 PM   #167 
  - I'm kind of swimming upstream here by recommending this thread  varelse   Nov-06-09 08:42 PM   #169 
  - Yes, if a Christian shouted "God help me" before gunning down a dozen or so people,  smalll   Nov-07-09 04:20 AM   #174 
  - Sorry but if I'm sitting in a restaurant or on a airplane and I hear "Allahu Akbar!"  proteus_lives   Nov-07-09 04:32 AM   #176 
  - "The expression does not mean, 'Jihad time'"  TicketyBoo   Nov-07-09 05:13 AM   #181 
  - You are working so hard here. nt  woo me with science   Nov-07-09 05:22 AM   #182 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-07-09 01:18 PM   #185 

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