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Reply #57: Well, there's a lot of truth in that, but I doubt it would be that simple. [View All]

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57. Well, there's a lot of truth in that, but I doubt it would be that simple.
Edited on Fri Nov-06-09 12:56 PM by calimary
That hate is SO deeply ingrained, over so many reasons, that it would take an awfully long time to subside even if we were to stop the wars. But that would be a place to start.

Seems to me there's SO MUCH opposition out there, and reasons galore - so many that are understandable. And some of those we CAN do something about.

Look, we portray them as evil in our media; the pervasive, imperialistic attitude from our part of the world that OUR oil is under THEIR sand (who was it just recently who said we're ENTITLED to the Iraqis' oil because of all the war-waging and blood-spilling we've done over there, hey, some of that blood-spill even our own, so there!); our historical imperialism that they see applied to every corner of the globe that we touch - aha! ("See? That's simply who they are, those American pirates" with their multi-national corporate greed-meisters - they're not to be trusted, they do this to EVERYONE"); our behavior only seems to reinforce long-held grievances (Crusades, anyone?); there are nutcases here that would beat them up in the street, and who know next-to-nothing. Persians? Iraqis? Iranians? Saudis? Pakistanis? "FUCK 'EM, ALL THEM AY-RABS!!!" THAT mentality. The mentality that makes some fat-assed, beer-swilling putz arrive at a Dodger game wearing a T-shirt in public that has a cartoon of Saddam Hussein being butt-fucked by Uncle Sam, while the Saddam character is crying out to Allah to save him while the Uncle Sam character is yelling something like "Yeah! You're getting "Allah" me!" And said T-shirt is paraded around in front of every individual in Dodger Stadium, including small children. THAT mentality. BTW - I witnessed that utterly obscene, abominable T-shirt, personally, sitting in front of me at a Dodger game just after the Iraq War had started. Actually, I take that back slightly. It was sitting in the row in front of our whole party, and directly in front of my then 10-year-old son.

That kind of offensive mindset, over the YEARS - decades, even centuries - shown to millions of Middle Easterners MIGHT be treatable, MIGHT be addressable. Unfortunately, the biggest and most ferocious issue that keeps us at each other's throats is the entire matter of Israel. And THAT problem is going to be virtually impossible to solve as long as the U.S. maintains its rock-solid, uncompromising support of Israel. And the Palestinians keep taking it in the shorts. And Israeli settlers keep building more settlements in what Palestinians keep believing is THEIR territory. And everyone in THREE of the world's Great Religions remains in conflict and opposition over who should control Jerusalem, etc. etc.

As long as those problems remain unsolved, especially that most difficult one of them all, the West will always feel hatred from the Islamic world. Merely stopping the Iraq and Afghanistan wars will barely start scratching the surface. It'd be a start, though. A symbol, a gesture of note. But it would only be the beginning. You think Obama has mountains to move with a spoon collection - now?
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  Oh, man....there is going to be a new wave of hate against people of Middle East descent. stevedeshazer  Nov-05-09 07:42 PM   #0 
   FR already started.  Mari333   Nov-05-09 07:43 PM   #1 
   Are there any Arabs on FR?  BolivarianHero   Nov-06-09 08:41 AM   #56 
   Yep, and that;s one reason I feel anger toward the murderer.  cali   Nov-05-09 07:44 PM   #2 
   Yes. He should have been more considerate with his suicide.  aquart   Nov-05-09 08:20 PM   #17 
      he's not dead  TorchTheWitch   Nov-06-09 08:40 AM   #55 
   And a brand new wave of hate against Obama.  calimary   Nov-05-09 07:44 PM   #3 
   If Obama stopped the wars that "wave of hate" would dissipate.  earth mom   Nov-06-09 01:37 AM   #53 
      Well, there's a lot of truth in that, but I doubt it would be that simple.  calimary   Nov-06-09 12:41 PM   #57 
   He was born in VA. Not that it matters. n/t  Ineeda   Nov-05-09 07:46 PM   #4 
   You're right, of course.  stevedeshazer   Nov-05-09 07:46 PM   #5 
   It seems like it should matter, really  Chemisse   Nov-05-09 08:39 PM   #24 
      The right wing nuts won't care that he's an American, just that he has a Muslim name.  stevedeshazer   Nov-05-09 09:02 PM   #28 
   How many times in the past eight years of his military career do you think this guy has been subject  HipChick   Nov-05-09 07:47 PM   #6 
   I don't know, but I can only imagine.  stevedeshazer   Nov-05-09 07:49 PM   #7 
   I read on another forum that Hasan had been making anti-American/Pro Islamist statements recently  slackmaster   Nov-05-09 07:50 PM   #9 
   If true, why didn't he report it..I dont think I can take for granted anything  HipChick   Nov-05-09 07:58 PM   #11 
   Doesn't matter.  proteus_lives   Nov-06-09 12:27 AM   #45 
   Oh, let me see... enough times to kill 12 and injure 31 would be my first guess...  cherokeeprogressive   Nov-06-09 12:33 AM   #48 
   Not much  KathyTeaches   Nov-06-09 12:47 PM   #58 
   motive  roakes10190   Nov-05-09 07:49 PM   #8 
   because there is no evidence at all for that.  cali   Nov-05-09 07:56 PM   #10 
   At this point there is no evidence for any of the theories  Chemisse   Nov-05-09 08:35 PM   #22 
   I wondered about that as soon as I heard he was a psychiatrist - nt  Chemisse   Nov-05-09 08:34 PM   #21 
   Comparing this to Dr. Kevorkian is quite a stretch.  stevedeshazer   Nov-05-09 08:58 PM   #27 
   I will kill you to spare you nightmares and depression.  cherokeeprogressive   Nov-06-09 12:38 AM   #50 
   I hate to say it but it's HARD not to mistrust those of ME decent.  napi21   Nov-05-09 07:59 PM   #12 
   Sure I can fault them. It's called bigotry to be suspicious of someone just  cali   Nov-05-09 08:02 PM   #13 
   I don't see it that way. If I were to fly to Iraq, Iran, Pakistan or any other ME country,  napi21   Nov-05-09 08:10 PM   #15 
   I traveled throughout the Islamic ME nations as a white woman  Ruby the Liberal   Nov-05-09 08:25 PM   #19 
   I spent a lot of time in Cairo, and felt more welcome there, then I did in Southern States in the US  HipChick   Nov-05-09 08:41 PM   #26 
   I always find it amusing when white women claim that they wouldn't have a problem  Raineyb   Nov-05-09 10:50 PM   #38 
      Maybe I should have said a white woman from the US. Comeon,  napi21   Nov-05-09 11:08 PM   #41 
         I am being quite realistic. And in the list of people who tend to be seen as suspicious  Raineyb   Nov-06-09 12:34 AM   #49 
            Yea right/1 I was shocked when I took my son to a dental clinic in Pgh. Pa. and when we were  napi21   Nov-06-09 01:09 AM   #51 
               He identified you just fine as a white woman he didn't know  Raineyb   Nov-06-09 01:23 AM   #52 
                  He wasn't asking a question! He was making a statement! Something  napi21   Nov-06-09 08:31 AM   #54 
   +1 [n/t]  stranger81   Nov-05-09 11:06 PM   #40 
   yeah..that's how bigotry starts  HipChick   Nov-05-09 08:11 PM   #16 
   Which is why we need to get the F out of the region and stop  Ruby the Liberal   Nov-05-09 08:23 PM   #18 
   Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Nov-05-09 08:05 PM   #14 
   Yes - and fueled by cable news...  santamargarita   Nov-05-09 08:33 PM   #20 
   I am especially worried about President Obama's safety  maryellen99   Nov-05-09 08:36 PM   #23 
   The GOPee-Pee Heads must be going crazy. Who to hate most? Muslims or gays?  valerief   Nov-05-09 08:39 PM   #25 
   It's always gays. After all, we can bomb Mooslims, but teh gay are among us.  stevedeshazer   Nov-05-09 09:39 PM   #29 
   So JC hates gays more than Muslims? But JC is Jewish. Such a head-scratcher.  valerief   Nov-05-09 09:43 PM   #30 
      Definitely a confusing state of affairs.  stevedeshazer   Nov-05-09 09:46 PM   #31 
         Oy vey!  valerief   Nov-05-09 09:48 PM   #33 
   A real combo-platter of emotions for the far right  npk   Nov-05-09 11:00 PM   #39 
   Was there backlash against Sgt. John M. Russell? He killed 5 people..  HipChick   Nov-05-09 09:48 PM   #32 
   Who was he?  stevedeshazer   Nov-05-09 09:52 PM   #35 
   Okay, I looked it up. I get your point.  stevedeshazer   Nov-05-09 10:10 PM   #36 
   If they want to do that  JonLP24   Nov-05-09 09:50 PM   #34 
   If this ends up hurting Obama it will just be another example of  deaniac21   Nov-05-09 10:12 PM   #37 
   especially in the military.  rucky   Nov-05-09 11:11 PM   #42 
   No kidding.  stevedeshazer   Nov-06-09 12:24 AM   #43 
   That was my immediate thought..  Cha   Nov-06-09 12:26 AM   #44 
   Thanks for the UNrec!  stevedeshazer   Nov-06-09 12:28 AM   #46 
   I won't be surprised to see an increase on anti-Semitic* attacks.  Behind the Aegis   Nov-06-09 12:32 AM   #47 
   Where's the hatred against pro-life losers who kill doctors and bomb clinics?  krabigirl   Nov-06-09 12:53 PM   #59 
 

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