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Thu Nov-05-09 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #79 |
| 105. Yeah, I did go there. I always wonder why these guys have to gun down so many others. |
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I don't get it. And it is something that does seem particular to men.
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| -The shooter was a psychiatrist |
CatWoman |
Nov-05-09 05:33 PM |
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And he specialized in traumatic stress, per msnbc. |
nonconformist |
Nov-05-09 05:34 PM |
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Nightmares |
CatWoman |
Nov-05-09 05:34 PM |
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I don't think he had an M.D. |
CTyankee |
Nov-05-09 07:52 PM |
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I keep thinking how many horror stories must he |
marlakay |
Nov-05-09 05:35 PM |
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I guess thats a good excuse as any. nt |
demosincebirth |
Nov-05-09 05:37 PM |
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Being a mental health professional does not make one immune |
Skidmore |
Nov-05-09 05:46 PM |
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It could even make them less immune. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:54 PM |
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Just the stories I heard from the two people I know who went there |
Pithlet |
Nov-05-09 06:04 PM |
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Not only the stories, but the soldiers with missing limbs, etc. n/t |
Window |
Nov-05-09 07:20 PM |
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That's what I just read as well. |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Nov-05-09 05:35 PM |
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I've never heard of second-hand PTSD. |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 05:37 PM |
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Thank you. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Nov-05-09 05:40 PM |
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In my experience, a lot of people interested in helping soldiers with PTSD.... |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 05:55 PM |
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Not entirely uncommon, I gather |
MountainLaurel |
Nov-05-09 06:17 PM |
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Really now. This man took out 12 people and wounded scores more |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 06:23 PM |
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He MAY have heard too many horror stories of murder of innocents |
Liberation Angel |
Nov-05-09 07:04 PM |
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It wouldn't surprise me if he had been there as well. |
PSzymeczek |
Nov-05-09 07:46 PM |
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I volunteer at a rape and abuse crisis center and I've noticed it there. It definitely exists. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-05-09 07:29 PM |
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Angel-of-Mercy type syndrome? |
GrilledCheeses |
Nov-05-09 05:39 PM |
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By shooting them? 40+ people? |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 05:40 PM |
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If he had first hand knowledge of years of horror stories |
GrilledCheeses |
Nov-05-09 05:44 PM |
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Sorry, this was no act of mercy. And this bizarre sympathetic speculation about his |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 05:51 PM |
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I agree. |
GrilledCheeses |
Nov-05-09 05:54 PM |
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By killing them? |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Nov-05-09 05:41 PM |
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The "Angel of Mercy" is in a position of power and decides the victim(s) |
GrilledCheeses |
Nov-05-09 05:48 PM |
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Actually an Angel of Mercy is... |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Nov-05-09 05:55 PM |
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I was using this as a model. |
GrilledCheeses |
Nov-05-09 06:03 PM |
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Doesn't fit. He wasn't a serial killer, but rather a mass murderer. nt |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Nov-05-09 06:05 PM |
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point taken nt. |
GrilledCheeses |
Nov-05-09 06:07 PM |
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Maybe he was trying to save Iraqis n/t |
BOG PERSON |
Nov-05-09 06:38 PM |
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he's was a murderous fuck and I don't give a shit about his supposed angst |
cali |
Nov-05-09 05:40 PM |
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Well said. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Nov-05-09 05:41 PM |
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Really? I find it amazingly useless. |
aquart |
Nov-05-09 05:46 PM |
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My empathy and understanding flows to those injured by this man |
cali |
Nov-05-09 05:48 PM |
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Some of us have enough empathy to go around. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:03 PM |
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How is it that you have automatic empathy for this man, when all you |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 06:05 PM |
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Because I am a medical student who is preparing to dedicate my career to this problem. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:09 PM |
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When one man manages to shoot an ASTOUNDING 43 of his fellow soldiers, I'll |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 06:15 PM |
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If anger makes you feel better about it, by all means. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:23 PM |
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This could have been my husband, my children, myself. I lived on |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 06:26 PM |
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Anger is right for you. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:31 PM |
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LOL. Please spare me. |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 06:39 PM |
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Okay. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:45 PM |
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Oh, please. and by the way it's dangerous to think that you're above |
cali |
Nov-05-09 06:41 PM |
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I don't. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:45 PM |
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Well, since you brought Tim McVeigh up in this context, what did he say about himself? |
Sebastian Doyle |
Nov-05-09 06:17 PM |
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I'm not saying no one should investigate the motive. I simply can't understand |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 06:21 PM |
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+1 |
malaise |
Nov-05-09 07:49 PM |
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nope. I tend to not have a lot of empathy for MASS MURDERERS |
cali |
Nov-05-09 06:05 PM |
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This thread is about the shooter being a psychiatrist. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:10 PM |
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well |
CatWoman |
Nov-05-09 05:44 PM |
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Well said |
sammythecat |
Nov-05-09 05:47 PM |
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What a horrible fucking thing to say. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:02 PM |
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I'm not saying we shouldn't learn more about what motivated him |
cali |
Nov-05-09 06:04 PM |
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I know he dealt with it. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:37 PM |
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As of now there is precious little evidence for you to speculate on. |
cali |
Nov-05-09 06:42 PM |
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Ditto. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:50 PM |
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then you don't care about preventing future incidents... |
hlthe2b |
Nov-05-09 06:17 PM |
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Nope, didn't say anything of the kind, sweetie pie. |
cali |
Nov-05-09 06:18 PM |
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YOUR post, # 8 says JUST that, sweetie pie... |
hlthe2b |
Nov-05-09 06:21 PM |
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He was a murderer, but we'd all be fools not to care about his angst |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Nov-05-09 07:06 PM |
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Just think how hard it will be to get the guys to go psych treatment now. |
Arctic Dave |
Nov-05-09 05:40 PM |
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No reason to hide, you're right. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 05:50 PM |
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Imagine how horrifying it was for those soldiers when their Major, their doctor... |
nonconformist |
Nov-05-09 05:41 PM |
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Nietzsche was right: |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-05-09 05:41 PM |
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thank you for your compassion |
CatWoman |
Nov-05-09 05:44 PM |
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Absolutely! This man, after hearing horror stories over the last |
Ilsa |
Nov-05-09 05:52 PM |
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in my agency, |
paulsby |
Nov-05-09 06:00 PM |
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Point taken. |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-05-09 06:16 PM |
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oh heck, yea |
paulsby |
Nov-05-09 06:28 PM |
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Yes. Have we learned nothing from Vietnam? |
Ignis |
Nov-05-09 08:29 PM |
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Who counsels the doctors? |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 05:46 PM |
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Gunning down 43 people = reaching out about his feelings? |
nonconformist |
Nov-05-09 05:49 PM |
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Saying that he didn't want to go to Iraq = "help me". |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 05:53 PM |
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the lack of humanity displayed on this site at times |
CatWoman |
Nov-05-09 05:53 PM |
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It's exactly the sentiment that perpetuates these problems. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 05:58 PM |
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Forgive me for feeling compassion for this man's victims, instead of for the |
cali |
Nov-05-09 06:00 PM |
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Forgive us for feeling compassion for everybody involved. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:05 PM |
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So what other mass murderers do you have great sympathy and compassion for, dear? |
cali |
Nov-05-09 06:06 PM |
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It's a simple matter of understanding! |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-05-09 06:11 PM |
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Except we have no idea what the shooter's motive was at this time. |
nonconformist |
Nov-05-09 06:19 PM |
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That is not where I am going with what I am saying. |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-05-09 06:27 PM |
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I felt empathy for the VA Tech shooter... |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:13 PM |
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I feel bad for the serial killer in Cleveland. He had to live in a really stinky house. |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 06:19 PM |
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I don't. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:25 PM |
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But you don't know his whole story. You don't know what drove him |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 06:28 PM |
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I don't know anything about the killer in Cleveland. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:48 PM |
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Okey doke. |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 06:52 PM |
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Does anyone remember that episode of MASH.... |
hlthe2b |
Nov-05-09 07:11 PM |
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This speaks volumes about how broken the mental health system |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-05-09 05:49 PM |
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It's more like a footnote |
Dreamer Tatum |
Nov-05-09 06:30 PM |
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How many soldiers have committed suicide? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-05-09 06:32 PM |
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75 suicides at Fort Hood alone in the last 6 years |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Nov-05-09 06:59 PM |
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I know and that is Ft Hood... other bases have had ahem |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-05-09 07:42 PM |
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I don't get why these men (yes, almost ALWAYS men) have to take everyone out with them. |
Arugula Latte |
Nov-05-09 05:50 PM |
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Really? |
Brooklyns_Finest |
Nov-05-09 06:27 PM |
#79 |
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Yeah, I did go there. I always wonder why these guys have to gun down so many others. |
Arugula Latte |
Nov-05-09 06:53 PM |
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I don't think this is the thread |
Brooklyns_Finest |
Nov-05-09 07:35 PM |
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Because when it is women, they call it "post-partum depression". nt |
Bonobo |
Nov-05-09 06:52 PM |
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I'm sure you'll provide me with many examples of women who just had babies who |
Arugula Latte |
Nov-05-09 06:55 PM |
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Distinction without a difference. nt |
Bonobo |
Nov-05-09 06:57 PM |
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Whatever that means. nt |
Arugula Latte |
Nov-05-09 10:09 PM |
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I think this is the perfect place for people to practice a patient wait and see rather than |
peacetalksforall |
Nov-05-09 05:52 PM |
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+1 |
Arctic Dave |
Nov-05-09 05:57 PM |
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You'd think people learned their lessons with the Duke case and Professor Gates |
AspenRose |
Nov-05-09 06:15 PM |
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I don't care if you want that man's head on a pike. |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-05-09 06:01 PM |
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Local News is reporting he |
ohheckyeah |
Nov-05-09 06:02 PM |
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AP reporting born and raised in Virginia. n/t |
rvablue |
Nov-05-09 06:19 PM |
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what part of Virginia? |
CatWoman |
Nov-05-09 06:25 PM |
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This report doesn't specify |
rvablue |
Nov-05-09 06:49 PM |
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How ironic he graduated from Tech. n/t |
ohheckyeah |
Nov-05-09 06:31 PM |
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VTech? |
thepeopleunited |
Nov-05-09 07:07 PM |
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Yep. Virginia Tech. n/t |
ohheckyeah |
Nov-05-09 08:02 PM |
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I've already seen too many posts that say, in effect, |
EFerrari |
Nov-05-09 06:04 PM |
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Many psychiatrists I know or have worked with are nuttier than anyone else |
Liberation Angel |
Nov-05-09 07:00 PM |
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Do you feel it is disparaging to say that someone may choose psychiatry... |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 08:50 PM |
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I'm going to say something mildly unpopular |
Neecy |
Nov-05-09 06:05 PM |
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I cannot imagine being a Muslim counselling returning vets for PTSD |
Liberation Angel |
Nov-05-09 07:08 PM |
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MSNBC - 75 suicides at Fort Hood in the last 6 years |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Nov-05-09 06:06 PM |
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I wonder if the patient population at Ft. Hood is similar to Walter Reed. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:18 PM |
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This sounds like a desperate murder-suicide |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Nov-05-09 06:25 PM |
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I'm wondering why he decompensated so quickly. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:29 PM |
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Was he on SSRI's? |
Liberation Angel |
Nov-05-09 07:55 PM |
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Somewhere at the back of his mind, he may have thought |
kedrys |
Nov-05-09 06:38 PM |
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Or maybe the people they would have shot. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:46 PM |
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Everyone has a right to their feelings. |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-05-09 06:46 PM |
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I want to know if he was on any SSRI's (or withdrawing from them) |
Liberation Angel |
Nov-05-09 06:48 PM |
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Hmm.. sounds like a man who knew atoo much. |
thepeopleunited |
Nov-05-09 06:51 PM |
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Wow, just when I thought that the half-baked theories couldn't get nuttier... |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 06:56 PM |
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Possibly. But I notice he was also of Arab descent. |
thepeopleunited |
Nov-05-09 07:00 PM |
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Whatever triggered this attack i do not think that we can exclude Bush's war as the reason |
Liberation Angel |
Nov-05-09 07:54 PM |
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I'll bet he heard stories about soldiers killing women and children |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Nov-05-09 06:54 PM |
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MSNBC reporting that he was a traumatic stress specialist. |
AllieB |
Nov-05-09 06:56 PM |
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No one can know what horror he was privy to both on duty and off. |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-05-09 07:19 PM |
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Has anyone read Patricia Cornwell's Book of The Dead ? |
w8liftinglady |
Nov-05-09 07:34 PM |
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details? love to hear 'em... |
Liberation Angel |
Nov-05-09 07:55 PM |
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spolier alert |
w8liftinglady |
Nov-05-09 08:36 PM |
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I would not be suprised if his helping soldiers with PTSD made him snap. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-05-09 07:35 PM |
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sorry, just caught up with the facts. |
elleng |
Nov-05-09 07:38 PM |
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I just find that really ironic. n/t |
InvisibleTouch |
Nov-05-09 09:16 PM |
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