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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-05-09 06:27 PM
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80. That is not where I am going with what I am saying.
If there is any way to find a why, it might help stop another such situation. I said might, but any clues can be helpful. I am not offering a why. I don't know, but I am saying it is worth a look.

You don't have to mix sympathy and compassion with understanding. They are not the same.

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  -The shooter was a psychiatrist CatWoman  Nov-05-09 05:33 PM   #0 
  - And he specialized in traumatic stress, per msnbc.  nonconformist   Nov-05-09 05:34 PM   #1 
  - Nightmares  CatWoman   Nov-05-09 05:34 PM   #2 
  - I don't think he had an M.D.  CTyankee   Nov-05-09 07:52 PM   #130 
  - I keep thinking how many horror stories must he  marlakay   Nov-05-09 05:35 PM   #3 
  - I guess thats a good excuse as any. nt  demosincebirth   Nov-05-09 05:37 PM   #5 
  - Being a mental health professional does not make one immune  Skidmore   Nov-05-09 05:46 PM   #19 
     - It could even make them less immune.  Barack_America   Nov-05-09 06:54 PM   #106 
  - Just the stories I heard from the two people I know who went there  Pithlet   Nov-05-09 06:04 PM   #47 
     - Not only the stories, but the soldiers with missing limbs, etc. n/t  Window   Nov-05-09 07:20 PM   #121 
  - That's what I just read as well.  Lone_Star_Dem   Nov-05-09 05:35 PM   #4 
  - I've never heard of second-hand PTSD.  TwilightGardener   Nov-05-09 05:37 PM   #6 
  - Thank you. nt  Captain Hilts   Nov-05-09 05:40 PM   #10 
  - In my experience, a lot of people interested in helping soldiers with PTSD....  Barack_America   Nov-05-09 05:55 PM   #35 
  - Not entirely uncommon, I gather  MountainLaurel   Nov-05-09 06:17 PM   #63 
  - Really now. This man took out 12 people and wounded scores more  TwilightGardener   Nov-05-09 06:23 PM   #73 
     - He MAY have heard too many horror stories of murder of innocents  Liberation Angel   Nov-05-09 07:04 PM   #115 
     - It wouldn't surprise me if he had been there as well.  PSzymeczek   Nov-05-09 07:46 PM   #128 
  - I volunteer at a rape and abuse crisis center and I've noticed it there. It definitely exists.  Odin2005   Nov-05-09 07:29 PM   #122 
  - Angel-of-Mercy type syndrome?  GrilledCheeses   Nov-05-09 05:39 PM   #7 
  - By shooting them? 40+ people?  TwilightGardener   Nov-05-09 05:40 PM   #9 
  - If he had first hand knowledge of years of horror stories  GrilledCheeses   Nov-05-09 05:44 PM   #17 
     - Sorry, this was no act of mercy. And this bizarre sympathetic speculation about his  TwilightGardener   Nov-05-09 05:51 PM   #29 
        - I agree.  GrilledCheeses   Nov-05-09 05:54 PM   #34 
  - By killing them?  Lone_Star_Dem   Nov-05-09 05:41 PM   #13 
     - The "Angel of Mercy" is in a position of power and decides the victim(s)  GrilledCheeses   Nov-05-09 05:48 PM   #24 
     - Actually an Angel of Mercy is...  Lone_Star_Dem   Nov-05-09 05:55 PM   #36 
        - I was using this as a model.  GrilledCheeses   Nov-05-09 06:03 PM   #44 
           - Doesn't fit. He wasn't a serial killer, but rather a mass murderer. nt  Lone_Star_Dem   Nov-05-09 06:05 PM   #52 
              - point taken nt.  GrilledCheeses   Nov-05-09 06:07 PM   #55 
     - Maybe he was trying to save Iraqis n/t  BOG PERSON   Nov-05-09 06:38 PM   #90 
  - he's was a murderous fuck and I don't give a shit about his supposed angst  cali   Nov-05-09 05:40 PM   #8 
  - Well said. nt  Captain Hilts   Nov-05-09 05:41 PM   #14 
  - Really? I find it amazingly useless.  aquart   Nov-05-09 05:46 PM   #20 
     - My empathy and understanding flows to those injured by this man  cali   Nov-05-09 05:48 PM   #23 
        - Some of us have enough empathy to go around.  Barack_America   Nov-05-09 06:03 PM   #45 
           - How is it that you have automatic empathy for this man, when all you  TwilightGardener   Nov-05-09 06:05 PM   #48 
           - Because I am a medical student who is preparing to dedicate my career to this problem.  Barack_America   Nov-05-09 06:09 PM   #56 
           - When one man manages to shoot an ASTOUNDING 43 of his fellow soldiers, I'll  TwilightGardener   Nov-05-09 06:15 PM   #61 
              - If anger makes you feel better about it, by all means.  Barack_America   Nov-05-09 06:23 PM   #74 
                 - This could have been my husband, my children, myself. I lived on  TwilightGardener   Nov-05-09 06:26 PM   #78 
                    - Anger is right for you.  Barack_America   Nov-05-09 06:31 PM   #85 
                       - LOL. Please spare me.  TwilightGardener   Nov-05-09 06:39 PM   #91 
                       - Okay.  Barack_America   Nov-05-09 06:45 PM   #95 
                       - Oh, please. and by the way it's dangerous to think that you're above  cali   Nov-05-09 06:41 PM   #92 
                          - I don't.  Barack_America   Nov-05-09 06:45 PM   #94 
           - Well, since you brought Tim McVeigh up in this context, what did he say about himself?  Sebastian Doyle   Nov-05-09 06:17 PM   #64 
              - I'm not saying no one should investigate the motive. I simply can't understand  TwilightGardener   Nov-05-09 06:21 PM   #71 
              - +1  malaise   Nov-05-09 07:49 PM   #129 
           - nope. I tend to not have a lot of empathy for MASS MURDERERS  cali   Nov-05-09 06:05 PM   #51 
              - This thread is about the shooter being a psychiatrist.  Barack_America   Nov-05-09 06:10 PM   #57 
  - well  CatWoman   Nov-05-09 05:44 PM   #16 
  - Well said  sammythecat   Nov-05-09 05:47 PM   #22 
  - What a horrible fucking thing to say.  Barack_America   Nov-05-09 06:02 PM   #43 
  - I'm not saying we shouldn't learn more about what motivated him  cali   Nov-05-09 06:04 PM   # 
     - I know he dealt with it.  Barack_America   Nov-05-09 06:37 PM   #88 
        - As of now there is precious little evidence for you to speculate on.  cali   Nov-05-09 06:42 PM   #93 
           - Ditto.  Barack_America   Nov-05-09 06:50 PM   #101 
  - then you don't care about preventing future incidents...  hlthe2b   Nov-05-09 06:17 PM   #65 
  - Nope, didn't say anything of the kind, sweetie pie.  cali   Nov-05-09 06:18 PM   #67 
     - YOUR post, # 8 says JUST that, sweetie pie...  hlthe2b   Nov-05-09 06:21 PM   #72 
  - He was a murderer, but we'd all be fools not to care about his angst  Lone_Star_Dem   Nov-05-09 07:06 PM   #116 
  - Just think how hard it will be to get the guys to go psych treatment now.  Arctic Dave   Nov-05-09 05:40 PM   #11 
  - No reason to hide, you're right.  Barack_America   Nov-05-09 05:50 PM   #28 
  - Imagine how horrifying it was for those soldiers when their Major, their doctor...  nonconformist   Nov-05-09 05:41 PM   #12 
  - Nietzsche was right:  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-05-09 05:41 PM   #15 
  - thank you for your compassion  CatWoman   Nov-05-09 05:44 PM   #18 
  - Absolutely! This man, after hearing horror stories over the last  Ilsa   Nov-05-09 05:52 PM   #31 
  - in my agency,  paulsby   Nov-05-09 06:00 PM   #40 
  - Point taken.  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-05-09 06:16 PM   #62 
     - oh heck, yea  paulsby   Nov-05-09 06:28 PM   #82 
  - Yes. Have we learned nothing from Vietnam?  Ignis   Nov-05-09 08:29 PM   #135 
  - Who counsels the doctors?  Barack_America   Nov-05-09 05:46 PM   #21 
  - Gunning down 43 people = reaching out about his feelings?  nonconformist   Nov-05-09 05:49 PM   #26 
     - Saying that he didn't want to go to Iraq = "help me".  Barack_America   Nov-05-09 05:53 PM   #32 
     - the lack of humanity displayed on this site at times  CatWoman   Nov-05-09 05:53 PM   #33 
        - It's exactly the sentiment that perpetuates these problems.  Barack_America   Nov-05-09 05:58 PM   #38 
        - Forgive me for feeling compassion for this man's victims, instead of for the  cali   Nov-05-09 06:00 PM   #39 
        - Forgive us for feeling compassion for everybody involved.  Barack_America   Nov-05-09 06:05 PM   #50 
           - So what other mass murderers do you have great sympathy and compassion for, dear?  cali   Nov-05-09 06:06 PM   #53 
              - It's a simple matter of understanding!  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-05-09 06:11 PM   #58 
              - Except we have no idea what the shooter's motive was at this time.  nonconformist   Nov-05-09 06:19 PM   #70 
                 - That is not where I am going with what I am saying.  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-05-09 06:27 PM   #80 
              - I felt empathy for the VA Tech shooter...  Barack_America   Nov-05-09 06:13 PM   #59 
                 - I feel bad for the serial killer in Cleveland. He had to live in a really stinky house.  TwilightGardener   Nov-05-09 06:19 PM   #68 
                    - I don't.  Barack_America   Nov-05-09 06:25 PM   #77 
                       - But you don't know his whole story. You don't know what drove him  TwilightGardener   Nov-05-09 06:28 PM   #81 
                          - I don't know anything about the killer in Cleveland.  Barack_America   Nov-05-09 06:48 PM   #98 
                             - Okey doke.  TwilightGardener   Nov-05-09 06:52 PM   #104 
        - Does anyone remember that episode of MASH....  hlthe2b   Nov-05-09 07:11 PM   #119 
  - This speaks volumes about how broken the mental health system  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-05-09 05:49 PM   #25 
  - It's more like a footnote  Dreamer Tatum   Nov-05-09 06:30 PM   #84 
     - How many soldiers have committed suicide?  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-05-09 06:32 PM   #87 
        - 75 suicides at Fort Hood alone in the last 6 years  aint_no_life_nowhere   Nov-05-09 06:59 PM   #112 
           - I know and that is Ft Hood... other bases have had ahem  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-05-09 07:42 PM   #127 
  - I don't get why these men (yes, almost ALWAYS men) have to take everyone out with them.  Arugula Latte   Nov-05-09 05:50 PM   #27 
  - Really?  Brooklyns_Finest   Nov-05-09 06:27 PM   #79 
  - Yeah, I did go there. I always wonder why these guys have to gun down so many others.  Arugula Latte   Nov-05-09 06:53 PM   #105 
     - I don't think this is the thread  Brooklyns_Finest   Nov-05-09 07:35 PM   #124 
  - Because when it is women, they call it "post-partum depression". nt  Bonobo   Nov-05-09 06:52 PM   #103 
     - I'm sure you'll provide me with many examples of women who just had babies who  Arugula Latte   Nov-05-09 06:55 PM   #108 
        - Distinction without a difference. nt  Bonobo   Nov-05-09 06:57 PM   #111 
           - Whatever that means. nt  Arugula Latte   Nov-05-09 10:09 PM   #139 
  - I think this is the perfect place for people to practice a patient wait and see rather than  peacetalksforall   Nov-05-09 05:52 PM   #30 
  - +1  Arctic Dave   Nov-05-09 05:57 PM   #37 
  - You'd think people learned their lessons with the Duke case and Professor Gates  AspenRose   Nov-05-09 06:15 PM   #60 
  - I don't care if you want that man's head on a pike.  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-05-09 06:01 PM   #41 
  - Local News is reporting he  ohheckyeah   Nov-05-09 06:02 PM   #42 
  - AP reporting born and raised in Virginia. n/t  rvablue   Nov-05-09 06:19 PM   #69 
     - what part of Virginia?  CatWoman   Nov-05-09 06:25 PM   #76 
     - This report doesn't specify  rvablue   Nov-05-09 06:49 PM   #100 
     - How ironic he graduated from Tech. n/t  ohheckyeah   Nov-05-09 06:31 PM   #86 
        - VTech?  thepeopleunited   Nov-05-09 07:07 PM   #117 
           - Yep. Virginia Tech. n/t  ohheckyeah   Nov-05-09 08:02 PM   #134 
  - I've already seen too many posts that say, in effect,  EFerrari   Nov-05-09 06:04 PM   #46 
  - Many psychiatrists I know or have worked with are nuttier than anyone else  Liberation Angel   Nov-05-09 07:00 PM   #114 
  - Do you feel it is disparaging to say that someone may choose psychiatry...  Barack_America   Nov-05-09 08:50 PM   #137 
  - I'm going to say something mildly unpopular  Neecy   Nov-05-09 06:05 PM   #49 
  - I cannot imagine being a Muslim counselling returning vets for PTSD  Liberation Angel   Nov-05-09 07:08 PM   #118 
  - MSNBC - 75 suicides at Fort Hood in the last 6 years  aint_no_life_nowhere   Nov-05-09 06:06 PM   #54 
  - I wonder if the patient population at Ft. Hood is similar to Walter Reed.  Barack_America   Nov-05-09 06:18 PM   #66 
     - This sounds like a desperate murder-suicide  aint_no_life_nowhere   Nov-05-09 06:25 PM   #75 
        - I'm wondering why he decompensated so quickly.  Barack_America   Nov-05-09 06:29 PM   #83 
           - Was he on SSRI's?  Liberation Angel   Nov-05-09 07:55 PM   #132 
  - Somewhere at the back of his mind, he may have thought  kedrys   Nov-05-09 06:38 PM   #89 
  - Or maybe the people they would have shot.  Barack_America   Nov-05-09 06:46 PM   #97 
  - Everyone has a right to their feelings.  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-05-09 06:46 PM   #96 
  - I want to know if he was on any SSRI's (or withdrawing from them)  Liberation Angel   Nov-05-09 06:48 PM   #99 
  - Hmm.. sounds like a man who knew atoo much.  thepeopleunited   Nov-05-09 06:51 PM   #102 
  - Wow, just when I thought that the half-baked theories couldn't get nuttier...  TwilightGardener   Nov-05-09 06:56 PM   #109 
     - Possibly. But I notice he was also of Arab descent.  thepeopleunited   Nov-05-09 07:00 PM   #113 
        - Whatever triggered this attack i do not think that we can exclude Bush's war as the reason  Liberation Angel   Nov-05-09 07:54 PM   #131 
  - I'll bet he heard stories about soldiers killing women and children  aint_no_life_nowhere   Nov-05-09 06:54 PM   #107 
  - MSNBC reporting that he was a traumatic stress specialist.  AllieB   Nov-05-09 06:56 PM   #110 
  - No one can know what horror he was privy to both on duty and off.  BrklynLiberal   Nov-05-09 07:19 PM   #120 
  - Has anyone read Patricia Cornwell's Book of The Dead ?  w8liftinglady   Nov-05-09 07:34 PM   #123 
  - details? love to hear 'em...  Liberation Angel   Nov-05-09 07:55 PM   #133 
     - spolier alert  w8liftinglady   Nov-05-09 08:36 PM   #136 
  - I would not be suprised if his helping soldiers with PTSD made him snap.  Odin2005   Nov-05-09 07:35 PM   #125 
  - sorry, just caught up with the facts.  elleng   Nov-05-09 07:38 PM   #126 
  - I just find that really ironic. n/t  InvisibleTouch   Nov-05-09 09:16 PM   #138 

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