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Thu Nov-05-09 06:00 PM
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| 39. Forgive me for feeling compassion for this man's victims, instead of for the |
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guy who blew away 12 people and injured dozens of others. Thank god for the civilian cop who shot and killed the murderer. My deepest condolences to his family. He was killed stopping the murderer.
You might extend a little of your oh so great compassion to the murderers victims.
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| -The shooter was a psychiatrist |
CatWoman |
Nov-05-09 05:33 PM |
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And he specialized in traumatic stress, per msnbc. |
nonconformist |
Nov-05-09 05:34 PM |
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Nightmares |
CatWoman |
Nov-05-09 05:34 PM |
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I don't think he had an M.D. |
CTyankee |
Nov-05-09 07:52 PM |
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I keep thinking how many horror stories must he |
marlakay |
Nov-05-09 05:35 PM |
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I guess thats a good excuse as any. nt |
demosincebirth |
Nov-05-09 05:37 PM |
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Being a mental health professional does not make one immune |
Skidmore |
Nov-05-09 05:46 PM |
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It could even make them less immune. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:54 PM |
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Just the stories I heard from the two people I know who went there |
Pithlet |
Nov-05-09 06:04 PM |
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Not only the stories, but the soldiers with missing limbs, etc. n/t |
Window |
Nov-05-09 07:20 PM |
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That's what I just read as well. |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Nov-05-09 05:35 PM |
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I've never heard of second-hand PTSD. |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 05:37 PM |
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Thank you. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Nov-05-09 05:40 PM |
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In my experience, a lot of people interested in helping soldiers with PTSD.... |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 05:55 PM |
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Not entirely uncommon, I gather |
MountainLaurel |
Nov-05-09 06:17 PM |
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Really now. This man took out 12 people and wounded scores more |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 06:23 PM |
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He MAY have heard too many horror stories of murder of innocents |
Liberation Angel |
Nov-05-09 07:04 PM |
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It wouldn't surprise me if he had been there as well. |
PSzymeczek |
Nov-05-09 07:46 PM |
#128 |
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I volunteer at a rape and abuse crisis center and I've noticed it there. It definitely exists. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-05-09 07:29 PM |
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Angel-of-Mercy type syndrome? |
GrilledCheeses |
Nov-05-09 05:39 PM |
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By shooting them? 40+ people? |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 05:40 PM |
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If he had first hand knowledge of years of horror stories |
GrilledCheeses |
Nov-05-09 05:44 PM |
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Sorry, this was no act of mercy. And this bizarre sympathetic speculation about his |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 05:51 PM |
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I agree. |
GrilledCheeses |
Nov-05-09 05:54 PM |
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By killing them? |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Nov-05-09 05:41 PM |
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The "Angel of Mercy" is in a position of power and decides the victim(s) |
GrilledCheeses |
Nov-05-09 05:48 PM |
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Actually an Angel of Mercy is... |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Nov-05-09 05:55 PM |
#36 |
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I was using this as a model. |
GrilledCheeses |
Nov-05-09 06:03 PM |
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Doesn't fit. He wasn't a serial killer, but rather a mass murderer. nt |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Nov-05-09 06:05 PM |
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point taken nt. |
GrilledCheeses |
Nov-05-09 06:07 PM |
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Maybe he was trying to save Iraqis n/t |
BOG PERSON |
Nov-05-09 06:38 PM |
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he's was a murderous fuck and I don't give a shit about his supposed angst |
cali |
Nov-05-09 05:40 PM |
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Well said. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Nov-05-09 05:41 PM |
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Really? I find it amazingly useless. |
aquart |
Nov-05-09 05:46 PM |
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My empathy and understanding flows to those injured by this man |
cali |
Nov-05-09 05:48 PM |
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Some of us have enough empathy to go around. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:03 PM |
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How is it that you have automatic empathy for this man, when all you |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 06:05 PM |
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Because I am a medical student who is preparing to dedicate my career to this problem. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:09 PM |
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When one man manages to shoot an ASTOUNDING 43 of his fellow soldiers, I'll |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 06:15 PM |
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If anger makes you feel better about it, by all means. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:23 PM |
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This could have been my husband, my children, myself. I lived on |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 06:26 PM |
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Anger is right for you. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:31 PM |
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LOL. Please spare me. |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 06:39 PM |
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Okay. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:45 PM |
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Oh, please. and by the way it's dangerous to think that you're above |
cali |
Nov-05-09 06:41 PM |
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I don't. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:45 PM |
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Well, since you brought Tim McVeigh up in this context, what did he say about himself? |
Sebastian Doyle |
Nov-05-09 06:17 PM |
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I'm not saying no one should investigate the motive. I simply can't understand |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 06:21 PM |
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+1 |
malaise |
Nov-05-09 07:49 PM |
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nope. I tend to not have a lot of empathy for MASS MURDERERS |
cali |
Nov-05-09 06:05 PM |
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This thread is about the shooter being a psychiatrist. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:10 PM |
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well |
CatWoman |
Nov-05-09 05:44 PM |
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Well said |
sammythecat |
Nov-05-09 05:47 PM |
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What a horrible fucking thing to say. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:02 PM |
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I'm not saying we shouldn't learn more about what motivated him |
cali |
Nov-05-09 06:04 PM |
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I know he dealt with it. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:37 PM |
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As of now there is precious little evidence for you to speculate on. |
cali |
Nov-05-09 06:42 PM |
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Ditto. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:50 PM |
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then you don't care about preventing future incidents... |
hlthe2b |
Nov-05-09 06:17 PM |
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Nope, didn't say anything of the kind, sweetie pie. |
cali |
Nov-05-09 06:18 PM |
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YOUR post, # 8 says JUST that, sweetie pie... |
hlthe2b |
Nov-05-09 06:21 PM |
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He was a murderer, but we'd all be fools not to care about his angst |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Nov-05-09 07:06 PM |
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Just think how hard it will be to get the guys to go psych treatment now. |
Arctic Dave |
Nov-05-09 05:40 PM |
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No reason to hide, you're right. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 05:50 PM |
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Imagine how horrifying it was for those soldiers when their Major, their doctor... |
nonconformist |
Nov-05-09 05:41 PM |
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Nietzsche was right: |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-05-09 05:41 PM |
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thank you for your compassion |
CatWoman |
Nov-05-09 05:44 PM |
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Absolutely! This man, after hearing horror stories over the last |
Ilsa |
Nov-05-09 05:52 PM |
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in my agency, |
paulsby |
Nov-05-09 06:00 PM |
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Point taken. |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-05-09 06:16 PM |
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oh heck, yea |
paulsby |
Nov-05-09 06:28 PM |
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Yes. Have we learned nothing from Vietnam? |
Ignis |
Nov-05-09 08:29 PM |
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Who counsels the doctors? |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 05:46 PM |
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Gunning down 43 people = reaching out about his feelings? |
nonconformist |
Nov-05-09 05:49 PM |
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Saying that he didn't want to go to Iraq = "help me". |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 05:53 PM |
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the lack of humanity displayed on this site at times |
CatWoman |
Nov-05-09 05:53 PM |
#33 |
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It's exactly the sentiment that perpetuates these problems. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 05:58 PM |
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Forgive me for feeling compassion for this man's victims, instead of for the |
cali |
Nov-05-09 06:00 PM |
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Forgive us for feeling compassion for everybody involved. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:05 PM |
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So what other mass murderers do you have great sympathy and compassion for, dear? |
cali |
Nov-05-09 06:06 PM |
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It's a simple matter of understanding! |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-05-09 06:11 PM |
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Except we have no idea what the shooter's motive was at this time. |
nonconformist |
Nov-05-09 06:19 PM |
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That is not where I am going with what I am saying. |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-05-09 06:27 PM |
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I felt empathy for the VA Tech shooter... |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:13 PM |
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I feel bad for the serial killer in Cleveland. He had to live in a really stinky house. |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 06:19 PM |
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I don't. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:25 PM |
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But you don't know his whole story. You don't know what drove him |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 06:28 PM |
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I don't know anything about the killer in Cleveland. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:48 PM |
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Okey doke. |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 06:52 PM |
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Does anyone remember that episode of MASH.... |
hlthe2b |
Nov-05-09 07:11 PM |
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This speaks volumes about how broken the mental health system |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-05-09 05:49 PM |
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It's more like a footnote |
Dreamer Tatum |
Nov-05-09 06:30 PM |
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How many soldiers have committed suicide? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-05-09 06:32 PM |
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75 suicides at Fort Hood alone in the last 6 years |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Nov-05-09 06:59 PM |
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I know and that is Ft Hood... other bases have had ahem |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-05-09 07:42 PM |
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I don't get why these men (yes, almost ALWAYS men) have to take everyone out with them. |
Arugula Latte |
Nov-05-09 05:50 PM |
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Really? |
Brooklyns_Finest |
Nov-05-09 06:27 PM |
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Yeah, I did go there. I always wonder why these guys have to gun down so many others. |
Arugula Latte |
Nov-05-09 06:53 PM |
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I don't think this is the thread |
Brooklyns_Finest |
Nov-05-09 07:35 PM |
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Because when it is women, they call it "post-partum depression". nt |
Bonobo |
Nov-05-09 06:52 PM |
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I'm sure you'll provide me with many examples of women who just had babies who |
Arugula Latte |
Nov-05-09 06:55 PM |
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Distinction without a difference. nt |
Bonobo |
Nov-05-09 06:57 PM |
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Whatever that means. nt |
Arugula Latte |
Nov-05-09 10:09 PM |
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I think this is the perfect place for people to practice a patient wait and see rather than |
peacetalksforall |
Nov-05-09 05:52 PM |
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+1 |
Arctic Dave |
Nov-05-09 05:57 PM |
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You'd think people learned their lessons with the Duke case and Professor Gates |
AspenRose |
Nov-05-09 06:15 PM |
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I don't care if you want that man's head on a pike. |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-05-09 06:01 PM |
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Local News is reporting he |
ohheckyeah |
Nov-05-09 06:02 PM |
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AP reporting born and raised in Virginia. n/t |
rvablue |
Nov-05-09 06:19 PM |
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what part of Virginia? |
CatWoman |
Nov-05-09 06:25 PM |
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This report doesn't specify |
rvablue |
Nov-05-09 06:49 PM |
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How ironic he graduated from Tech. n/t |
ohheckyeah |
Nov-05-09 06:31 PM |
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VTech? |
thepeopleunited |
Nov-05-09 07:07 PM |
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Yep. Virginia Tech. n/t |
ohheckyeah |
Nov-05-09 08:02 PM |
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I've already seen too many posts that say, in effect, |
EFerrari |
Nov-05-09 06:04 PM |
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Many psychiatrists I know or have worked with are nuttier than anyone else |
Liberation Angel |
Nov-05-09 07:00 PM |
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Do you feel it is disparaging to say that someone may choose psychiatry... |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 08:50 PM |
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I'm going to say something mildly unpopular |
Neecy |
Nov-05-09 06:05 PM |
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I cannot imagine being a Muslim counselling returning vets for PTSD |
Liberation Angel |
Nov-05-09 07:08 PM |
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MSNBC - 75 suicides at Fort Hood in the last 6 years |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Nov-05-09 06:06 PM |
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I wonder if the patient population at Ft. Hood is similar to Walter Reed. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:18 PM |
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This sounds like a desperate murder-suicide |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Nov-05-09 06:25 PM |
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I'm wondering why he decompensated so quickly. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:29 PM |
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Was he on SSRI's? |
Liberation Angel |
Nov-05-09 07:55 PM |
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Somewhere at the back of his mind, he may have thought |
kedrys |
Nov-05-09 06:38 PM |
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Or maybe the people they would have shot. |
Barack_America |
Nov-05-09 06:46 PM |
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Everyone has a right to their feelings. |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-05-09 06:46 PM |
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I want to know if he was on any SSRI's (or withdrawing from them) |
Liberation Angel |
Nov-05-09 06:48 PM |
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Hmm.. sounds like a man who knew atoo much. |
thepeopleunited |
Nov-05-09 06:51 PM |
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Wow, just when I thought that the half-baked theories couldn't get nuttier... |
TwilightGardener |
Nov-05-09 06:56 PM |
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Possibly. But I notice he was also of Arab descent. |
thepeopleunited |
Nov-05-09 07:00 PM |
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Whatever triggered this attack i do not think that we can exclude Bush's war as the reason |
Liberation Angel |
Nov-05-09 07:54 PM |
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I'll bet he heard stories about soldiers killing women and children |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Nov-05-09 06:54 PM |
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MSNBC reporting that he was a traumatic stress specialist. |
AllieB |
Nov-05-09 06:56 PM |
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No one can know what horror he was privy to both on duty and off. |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-05-09 07:19 PM |
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Has anyone read Patricia Cornwell's Book of The Dead ? |
w8liftinglady |
Nov-05-09 07:34 PM |
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details? love to hear 'em... |
Liberation Angel |
Nov-05-09 07:55 PM |
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spolier alert |
w8liftinglady |
Nov-05-09 08:36 PM |
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I would not be suprised if his helping soldiers with PTSD made him snap. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-05-09 07:35 PM |
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sorry, just caught up with the facts. |
elleng |
Nov-05-09 07:38 PM |
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I just find that really ironic. n/t |
InvisibleTouch |
Nov-05-09 09:16 PM |
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