wroberts189
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Wed Nov-04-09 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #42 |
| 55. "That ISPs have to proactively police copyright.. " |
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Pretty broad statement to me.
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| -Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad. |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-04-09 02:19 PM |
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Intellectual property has become a monster. |
FiveGoodMen |
Nov-04-09 02:21 PM |
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No wonder Obama wanted to keep this secret. |
JDPriestly |
Nov-04-09 02:22 PM |
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Big Bisiness my eye, Its Big Government that |
GA_ArmyVet |
Nov-05-09 04:53 PM |
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Corporatism IS Fascism |
Sebastian Doyle |
Nov-04-09 02:23 PM |
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Perhaps people weren't as brainwashed by their social climate? |
Echo In Light |
Nov-04-09 02:58 PM |
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Ain't that the TRUTH! nt |
glitch |
Nov-04-09 08:44 PM |
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Hi, I'm from the RIAA and I'm pathetic. |
imdjh |
Nov-04-09 02:25 PM |
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I had an RIAA goon come into the office suite my wife and I |
MineralMan |
Nov-04-09 02:29 PM |
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You should never invite a Vampire in.... |
wroberts189 |
Nov-04-09 02:32 PM |
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I didn't invite him in. He just walked into the door to the suite. |
MineralMan |
Nov-04-09 02:36 PM |
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Probably ASCAP, not the RIAA |
Xithras |
Nov-04-09 02:41 PM |
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You know, you're right. I had confused the two |
MineralMan |
Nov-04-09 03:04 PM |
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They went after local bars around here for their jukeboxes a few years back. |
shadowknows69 |
Nov-06-09 04:46 AM |
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No one else will sign such a treaty. |
ddeclue |
Nov-04-09 02:26 PM |
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I imagine most developed countries will, actually. (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Nov-04-09 02:58 PM |
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This means your ISP will now have to watch what you do. |
wroberts189 |
Nov-04-09 02:30 PM |
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They can't. |
Orsino |
Nov-04-09 08:21 PM |
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They are already sniffing all the traffic friend. |
wroberts189 |
Nov-04-09 11:20 PM |
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No, they're really not. |
Orsino |
Nov-05-09 08:22 AM |
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they don't need to sniff everything - all they need to do is make you |
RaleighNCDUer |
Nov-05-09 03:08 PM |
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They are sniffing everything and they are storing it ..with backups. |
wroberts189 |
Nov-05-09 04:28 PM |
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Right. |
Orsino |
Nov-05-09 05:48 PM |
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Umm ..yes they are... this is a fact. Whistleblowers have come forward. |
wroberts189 |
Nov-05-09 04:19 PM |
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Billions of terabytes are vastly insufficient. |
Orsino |
Nov-05-09 05:44 PM |
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Umm .. yes they can. It is a fact .. I have posted links in this thread. |
wroberts189 |
Nov-05-09 06:18 PM |
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I can say more, and I say they can't do what we imagine they can do. |
Orsino |
Nov-06-09 03:42 AM |
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They can see EVERYTHING and are recording it. |
wroberts189 |
Nov-06-09 03:49 AM |
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There are far too many access points for our all-seeing masters... |
Orsino |
Nov-06-09 09:11 AM |
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Everyone but Qwest signed on to illegal spying.... |
wroberts189 |
Nov-06-09 04:52 PM |
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Well, as I said, the Internet (fortunately) isn't very hierarchical. |
Orsino |
Nov-06-09 05:50 PM |
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And yet nobody knows what Bush and Cheney were really up to. Sure. |
WinkyDink |
Nov-05-09 12:14 PM |
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They don't need to do that. |
Occulus |
Nov-05-09 01:11 PM |
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They would actually need to build another planet to hold all of the SIGINT people ... |
phasma ex machina |
Nov-05-09 01:54 PM |
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Not exactly.... |
wroberts189 |
Nov-05-09 04:23 PM |
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Yeah, I get the "Raytheon Silent Runner" business. The premise stated "everybody." |
phasma ex machina |
Nov-05-09 11:43 PM |
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This doesn't sound legit. |
cbdo2007 |
Nov-04-09 02:35 PM |
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Ya know.. you are right.. we have all been fooled here many times. |
wroberts189 |
Nov-04-09 02:46 PM |
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It appears to me that the first * point is contradicting itself. |
cbdo2007 |
Nov-04-09 02:59 PM |
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You are quite correct ..they are not ISP's... |
wroberts189 |
Nov-04-09 03:26 PM |
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It's not about sniffing traffic. |
Madrone |
Nov-04-09 08:03 PM |
#42 |
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"That ISPs have to proactively police copyright.. " |
wroberts189 |
Nov-04-09 10:55 PM |
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That's not what it's said in other articles I've read about this... |
Madrone |
Nov-04-09 10:57 PM |
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"thankfully that's not feasible" ..actually.. |
wroberts189 |
Nov-04-09 11:14 PM |
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Oh, I know it's possible. |
Madrone |
Nov-04-09 11:38 PM |
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They got fiber taps on all major Internet junction points. |
wroberts189 |
Nov-05-09 04:31 PM |
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I agree. YouTube, Flickr and Blogger are not examples of ISPs for one thing. |
GOTV |
Nov-05-09 11:50 AM |
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Maybe we could form panel to remove all the advertising and flash programs |
sixmile |
Nov-04-09 02:35 PM |
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If you use Firefox, get the FlashBlock extension |
starroute |
Nov-04-09 03:40 PM |
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thx..nt |
wroberts189 |
Nov-04-09 03:50 PM |
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Thanks for that tip. (nt) |
redqueen |
Nov-05-09 10:10 AM |
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My husband is the CTO of an ISP... |
CoffeeCat |
Nov-04-09 02:39 PM |
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They've been attacking independent ISPs for awhile now. |
glitch |
Nov-04-09 08:49 PM |
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I ditched AOL for CIA! |
kenny blankenship |
Nov-05-09 02:16 PM |
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Lol! nt |
glitch |
Nov-05-09 09:37 PM |
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I don't believe this is legitimate. |
AndyA |
Nov-04-09 02:56 PM |
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Believe what you will, but wake the fuck up! |
MNDemNY |
Nov-05-09 02:08 PM |
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SIGN THE PETITION - |
Madrone |
Nov-04-09 03:03 PM |
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Looks like BS to me. Not gonna happen. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-04-09 03:29 PM |
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What a load of BS. No ISP can implement this. |
high density |
Nov-04-09 03:32 PM |
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Not a Dream |
endeavourniche |
Nov-04-09 03:45 PM |
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You nephew didn't upload/download anything |
MattBaggins |
Nov-04-09 04:03 PM |
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Which is of course his defense |
endeavourniche |
Nov-04-09 04:06 PM |
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Your nephew's ISP was probably issued a suppeona - |
Madrone |
Nov-04-09 07:52 PM |
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Correct ..But once upon a time they could not do this... now they can.... |
wroberts189 |
Nov-05-09 02:06 AM |
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+1 and also knr to the OP. nt |
wroberts189 |
Nov-05-09 02:00 AM |
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It's not theft |
moodforaday |
Nov-04-09 04:09 PM |
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Agreed on making laws in private should never happen |
endeavourniche |
Nov-04-09 04:12 PM |
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I understand where you're coming from on this. |
mlevans |
Nov-05-09 02:14 PM |
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ISPs certainly take action on DMCA notices. That's not new. |
high density |
Nov-04-09 04:30 PM |
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I do not think the proactive take-down by ISPs is the topic of discussion. |
Madrone |
Nov-04-09 07:59 PM |
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And what do they use as evidence as to who the customer is? |
wroberts189 |
Nov-04-09 11:03 PM |
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Any ISP is going to log their DHCP addressing to cover their own asses. |
high density |
Nov-05-09 07:19 AM |
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Like I said, they're already shutting down people without convictions under DMCA. |
high density |
Nov-05-09 07:17 AM |
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Crypto is your friend, and a fat fuck you to sniffers |
Pavulon |
Nov-04-09 08:18 PM |
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+1 |
wroberts189 |
Nov-05-09 04:41 PM |
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Treaties have to be ratified by 2/3 of the Senate |
starroute |
Nov-04-09 03:45 PM |
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No they don't |
MattBaggins |
Nov-04-09 04:09 PM |
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IP was a good idea until greedy corporate types corrupted it |
Kievan Rus |
Nov-04-09 04:06 PM |
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I disagree |
endeavourniche |
Nov-04-09 04:28 PM |
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And what about the absurd copyright term extensions? |
Kievan Rus |
Nov-04-09 04:35 PM |
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Agreed |
endeavourniche |
Nov-05-09 01:07 PM |
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You would be wrong to assume |
SouthernLiberal |
Nov-05-09 02:47 PM |
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smile. drink some tea, or wine |
placton |
Nov-04-09 04:29 PM |
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"WTF is going on?" |
Jim__ |
Nov-04-09 04:32 PM |
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Obama is working to give to the internet to corporations, |
ThomCat |
Nov-04-09 06:30 PM |
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I'm guessing you're afraid |
Medium Baby Jesus |
Nov-04-09 08:09 PM |
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I'm guessing you think the Patriot Act doesn't go far enough. |
Madrone |
Nov-04-09 08:13 PM |
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Exactly. I'm not sure when theft |
Codeine |
Nov-05-09 02:21 AM |
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What's worse is that the vast majority of them see nothing wrong with it. |
MilesColtrane |
Nov-05-09 10:56 AM |
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I think the copyright issue is a smokescreen |
Occulus |
Nov-05-09 01:09 PM |
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I think a lot of teens see nothing wrong with it because |
Shell Beau |
Nov-05-09 09:52 PM |
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Thank You! |
endeavourniche |
Nov-05-09 01:05 PM |
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Newer, better article regarding this topic - |
Madrone |
Nov-04-09 08:10 PM |
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Will cost billions to US. Why you ask. |
Pavulon |
Nov-04-09 08:24 PM |
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People actually believe this is going to happen? |
Curtland1015 |
Nov-04-09 08:10 PM |
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The thing almost sounds like it is a hoax. n/t |
tonysam |
Nov-04-09 08:14 PM |
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Never underestimate the greed of Korporate Amerika |
Kievan Rus |
Nov-04-09 08:26 PM |
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It'll be a LOT easier if they also get rid of net neutrality. For example: |
Occulus |
Nov-05-09 12:01 PM |
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Count on it. |
MNDemNY |
Nov-05-09 12:09 PM |
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Very, very important story here |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Nov-04-09 08:29 PM |
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Obama appointed RIAA lawyers to the Justice Dept |
dreamnightwind |
Nov-05-09 03:08 AM |
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Completely Unenforceable... |
KharmaTrain |
Nov-05-09 07:23 AM |
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Here is another article about it on another thread: |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-05-09 07:34 AM |
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I won't believe it until Ars Technica writes about it. |
sofa king |
Nov-05-09 08:40 AM |
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Do you have more information on this? How can a secret memo become law? |
no limit |
Nov-05-09 09:57 AM |
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Apparently they are |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-05-09 09:58 AM |
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when did S. Korea establish US law????????????? |
LSK |
Nov-05-09 12:27 PM |
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It's an international treaty being discussed there n/t |
Occulus |
Nov-05-09 12:53 PM |
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He Who Controls the Information Controls the World |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-05-09 10:51 AM |
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in defense of protecting intellectual property |
katkat |
Nov-05-09 11:13 AM |
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Uh... you'll link to the pirate site, but not the original author? |
Occulus |
Nov-05-09 11:40 AM |
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Occulus |
katkat |
Nov-07-09 09:38 AM |
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As a photographer, I find the disrespect for copyright.. |
rfranklin |
Nov-05-09 11:43 AM |
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Wholeheartedly agree! I am a |
endeavourniche |
Nov-05-09 01:14 PM |
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I see a lot of sites posting stuff they own copyright on Piratebay to advertise their site. nt |
wroberts189 |
Nov-05-09 04:44 PM |
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If Obama supports this, the U.S. needs regime change... |
BolivarianHero |
Nov-05-09 11:41 AM |
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Theres no such thing as secret treaties, treaties must be passed by Congress |
LSK |
Nov-05-09 12:26 PM |
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The treaty is being *discussed* in secret |
Occulus |
Nov-05-09 01:00 PM |
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What's the source? |
demwing |
Nov-05-09 12:30 PM |
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IDG News is one source. |
Are_grits_groceries |
Nov-05-09 02:04 PM |
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If Obama signs this, his popularity will be 10% |
caseymoz |
Nov-05-09 12:39 PM |
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The New World Order MUST be able to control the internets.... |
winyanstaz |
Nov-05-09 02:15 PM |
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A true artist spits on the idea of being paid for their work |
YoungAndOutraged |
Nov-05-09 03:36 PM |
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Bullshit. |
Codeine |
Nov-05-09 08:03 PM |
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Kicked but too late to recommend. |
Uncle Joe |
Nov-05-09 04:43 PM |
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As a copyright owner, I'm glad this is finally being taken seriously. |
begin_within |
Nov-05-09 08:15 PM |
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Then you're not a "real" artist. |
Codeine |
Nov-05-09 08:23 PM |
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So are they going to ask |
begin_within |
Nov-05-09 08:42 PM |
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The Beatles spit on the very notion of payment! |
Codeine |
Nov-05-09 08:45 PM |
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I think their anger at corporations is misdirected |
begin_within |
Nov-05-09 08:53 PM |
#120 |
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