Dogmudgeon
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Wed Nov-04-09 01:05 AM
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There are not as many mean old people as you think -- but they get stoked up on rage, and go out and vote. So WE have to get the vote out. Liberals stayed home everywhere except in the NY-23 race.
And we have to "take it to" the culture warriors. Combative angry ranting won't work; Limbaugh's and Beck's and Hoffman's and Palin's rant-populism show us that a "new paradigm" is called for. I am sure that there are hundreds of things we could do that are overlooking. Sure, we're all disappointed and angry, but we only have 51 weeks to get ready for the NEXT election.
It ain't over yet.
--d!
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 We just can't win gay marriage elections |
bluestateguy |
Nov-04-09 12:54 AM |
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honestly i think its just the word marraige, if you took that word out |
vadawg |
Nov-04-09 12:55 AM |
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Yes, it's a referendum on the word and whether it's only for religious people to define it. |
GreenPartyVoter |
Nov-04-09 12:56 AM |
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whether you like it or not, society as a whole defines it the same as the religious folk |
vadawg |
Nov-04-09 12:59 AM |
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It is not just a word. |
Ms. Toad |
Nov-04-09 01:07 AM |
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the point being that it will take decades anyway to get the votes |
vadawg |
Nov-04-09 01:12 AM |
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They aren't that stupid. They will fight that, even though they imply that they won't. |
imdjh |
Nov-04-09 01:16 AM |
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and they are the minority of the people who vote no on the ballots |
vadawg |
Nov-04-09 01:20 AM |
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Well, I know it's not much consolation |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-04-09 01:26 AM |
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Yep, the anti-choice crowd does the same thing |
theHandpuppet |
Nov-04-09 07:09 AM |
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Exactly. Virginia being a prime example. |
theHandpuppet |
Nov-04-09 07:13 AM |
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Segregation is unacceptable. eom |
laconicsax |
Nov-04-09 02:07 AM |
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Even if they passed tomorrow |
Ms. Toad |
Nov-04-09 08:30 AM |
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I'm wondering why America makes such a big deal about the separation of church and state |
tavalon |
Nov-04-09 02:50 AM |
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thats why we should seperate them, have the civil side do a contract |
vadawg |
Nov-04-09 02:51 AM |
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I completely agree with you, btw |
tavalon |
Nov-04-09 02:53 AM |
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That is already what happens. |
ieoeja |
Nov-04-09 10:12 AM |
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It's not quite as much a mixture as it seems. |
Ms. Toad |
Nov-04-09 08:48 AM |
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Thank you, Ms. Toad |
theHandpuppet |
Nov-04-09 06:51 AM |
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What is in a "word"? |
tsuki |
Nov-04-09 07:22 AM |
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I am speaking of the word in connection with legal status. |
Ms. Toad |
Nov-04-09 08:12 AM |
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Your suspicion is incorrect. My Mother believed that if I did not |
tsuki |
Nov-04-09 10:58 AM |
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"'Domestic Partners' shall have all the rights, privileges, and responsibilities under the law... |
Romulox |
Nov-04-09 10:42 AM |
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That only works reasonably well within the state which sponsored it. |
Ms. Toad |
Nov-04-09 11:39 AM |
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The issue you're speaking on turns on Full Faith and Credit, not the characterization of the union |
Romulox |
Nov-04-09 12:01 PM |
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And the problems you are suggesting |
Ms. Toad |
Nov-04-09 12:21 PM |
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"reciprocity in other states..." is what "Full Faith and Credit" means... |
Romulox |
Nov-04-09 12:36 PM |
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Yes and no. |
Ms. Toad |
Nov-04-09 02:51 PM |
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The same assholes |
NMMNG |
Nov-04-09 01:26 AM |
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No. |
laconicsax |
Nov-04-09 01:53 AM |
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Well... |
regnaD kciN |
Nov-04-09 02:18 AM |
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It's not a "word." It's a question: are we REALLY equal or just sorta-kinda? |
Unvanguard |
Nov-04-09 09:06 AM |
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"let's just call it an interracial civil union." |
gatorboy |
Nov-04-09 09:48 AM |
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Our own President is against it. |
VMI Dem |
Nov-04-09 12:56 AM |
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Yes where now? |
SammyWinstonJack |
Nov-04-09 01:15 AM |
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My parents and their friends are all against it. My friends are all for it. |
Jennicut |
Nov-04-09 12:57 AM |
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What's sad is the Maine proposal wasn't forcing anyone/any group to marry people.... |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Nov-04-09 01:01 AM |
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harder in midterms |
DaveinMD |
Nov-04-09 01:01 AM |
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We lost California with Obama on the ticket. |
imdjh |
Nov-04-09 01:11 AM |
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Note that both tax-reduction referenda... |
Davis_X_Machina |
Nov-04-09 01:04 AM |
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A modest change of tactics |
Dogmudgeon |
Nov-04-09 01:05 AM |
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I'm thinking baseball bats at the moment. Too extreme? |
imdjh |
Nov-04-09 01:13 AM |
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We still haven't tried agitprop |
Dogmudgeon |
Nov-04-09 01:26 AM |
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My mom is a perfect example of this barrier. |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
Nov-04-09 01:06 AM |
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Tell your mom for me ... |
Hepburn |
Nov-04-09 10:23 AM |
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Time is on our side. |
d_b |
Nov-04-09 01:12 AM |
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In about 20 years this country is going to be a VERY different place... |
LostInAnomie |
Nov-04-09 01:13 AM |
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Yea I give it 20 years too |
d_b |
Nov-04-09 01:13 AM |
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Take your pick of predictions, but yours assumes a great deal of assimilation of immigrants. |
imdjh |
Nov-04-09 01:26 AM |
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Good point. |
Beregond2 |
Nov-04-09 01:52 AM |
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I assume you are kidding. |
imdjh |
Nov-04-09 11:28 AM |
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Even with immigration, the age divide on same-sex marriage is still immense. |
Unvanguard |
Nov-04-09 09:27 AM |
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I have little doubt about the inevitability of it, though I wonder if I'll live to see it. |
imdjh |
Nov-04-09 11:19 AM |
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Yep. Until then, things will suck. We are living in Fundie-land. |
krabigirl |
Nov-04-09 03:10 PM |
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Closer than ever before. I have to have hope. |
NoSheep |
Nov-04-09 01:14 AM |
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civil rights was won through court battles and legislature, the same will be true of gay marriage |
JI7 |
Nov-04-09 01:15 AM |
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Gay marriage legal in 5 states, up from 2 at the beginning of this year |
liberalpragmatist |
Nov-04-09 01:19 AM |
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Yes, |
Beregond2 |
Nov-04-09 01:56 AM |
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Yeats summed up being a liberal thusly: |
XemaSab |
Nov-04-09 01:22 AM |
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The main thrust of the Yes on 1 campaign was- |
Old and In the Way |
Nov-04-09 02:08 AM |
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Look at the way the ballots are always worded |
SoCalDem |
Nov-04-09 02:53 AM |
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Maine had a 'people's veto' referendum... |
Davis_X_Machina |
Nov-04-09 06:25 AM |
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I am all for same gender marriages |
quaker bill |
Nov-04-09 07:02 AM |
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Why not try another tact? |
Ganja Ninja |
Nov-04-09 07:07 AM |
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Sometimes I wonder |
Stevenmarc |
Nov-04-09 08:23 AM |
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A marriage ceremony and a wedding are the same thing. |
Ganja Ninja |
Nov-04-09 09:26 AM |
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There is no such thing as a marriage ceremony. |
ieoeja |
Nov-04-09 10:26 AM |
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I'm not talking prohibiting anybody from doing anything. |
Ganja Ninja |
Nov-04-09 10:46 AM |
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What you are suggesting is legal nonsense. |
Ms. Toad |
Nov-04-09 11:57 AM |
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Question about your post -- seriously |
justiceischeap |
Nov-04-09 10:28 AM |
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You didn't ask it of me, but you are (virtually) correct. |
ieoeja |
Nov-04-09 10:34 AM |
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Marriage isn't really a contract, inasmuch as it binds a third party |
Romulox |
Nov-04-09 10:53 AM |
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I'm saying when you go to the county for a license it will say ... |
Ganja Ninja |
Nov-04-09 11:02 AM |
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For legal reasons, it needs to say marriage. |
Ms. Toad |
Nov-04-09 12:05 PM |
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Well that shoots that down then. n/t |
Ganja Ninja |
Nov-04-09 01:01 PM |
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Marriage was a legal partnership in Europefor millenia before the Church took responsibility for it. |
ieoeja |
Nov-04-09 10:20 AM |
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They've been using this for cycles to GOTV and fire up their base |
TheKentuckian |
Nov-04-09 07:08 AM |
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But it can't be settled at the Federal level because: |
Tesha |
Nov-04-09 08:40 AM |
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Yes, we can. We almost won in California. We almost won in Maine. |
Unvanguard |
Nov-04-09 09:07 AM |
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The bigots are good at scaring people. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-04-09 09:39 AM |
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And the nice, young people |
tonysam |
Nov-04-09 10:55 AM |
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Nope. People under 50 pretty much are not as insane about the whole gay thing, period. |
krabigirl |
Nov-04-09 03:11 PM |
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People are too stupid to do the right thing |
Taverner |
Nov-04-09 10:57 AM |
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Gay marriage will win when enough peoples' hearts and minds have been won over |
slackmaster |
Nov-04-09 11:20 AM |
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You're right. We can't. Right now, America is still a backwards, bigoted, religious nation. |
krabigirl |
Nov-04-09 03:09 PM |
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Crap. I accidentally recommended this thread. Oops. |
BlueIris |
Nov-04-09 03:12 PM |
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Not giving up. Not even waiting for the bigots to die. Will just keep fighting |
Malikshah |
Nov-04-09 03:13 PM |
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