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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-03-09 07:46 PM
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2. Tapes show Kennedy was conflicted over Saigon coup
DUer Ardent15 found this important article that I didn't see mentioned in today's Corporate McPravda:

Tapes show Kennedy was conflicted over Saigon coup

By BARRY SCHWEID AP Diplomatic Writer
Posted: 11/03/2009 11:12:22 AM PST
Updated: 11/03/2009 11:12:22 AM PST


Forty-six years ago this week, Vietnamese generals, confident they had the support of their U.S. allies, overthrew Diem's government in Saigon. But Kennedy, conflicted by a State Department green light to the generals in their coup, questioned the move.

"I don't see any reason to go ahead unless we think we have a good chance of success," Kennedy told his advisers a few days after the department's cable was sent in August 1963 to Saigon.

Audio tapes and transcripts of four days of White House meetings released this week by the JFK Presidental Library in Boston reflect uncertainty over what steps to take to try to bolster Saigon's government, riddled with corruption and out of touch with its citizens.

Diem, the South Vietnamese president, and his brother, Ngo Dinh Nhu, were killed in the coup. The assassinations were not discussed in the White House meetings, Kennedy Library Archivist Maura Porter said Tuesday.
While the released tapes showed his reservations, the tapes did not show whether Kennedy tried to stop the coup.

Cable 243 was transmitted by the State Department without the direct approval of key presidential advisers. It said "if Diem remains obdurate and refuses" to remove his brother, who was his security adviser, "then we must face the possibility that Diem himself cannot be preserved."

But Kennedy, according to a transcript, said: "I don't think we ought to just do it (the coup) because we feel we have to now do it. I think we want to make it our best judgment because I don't think we have to do it."


For 46 years, Corporate McPravda -- Cough, MOCKINGBIRD -- has made out that JFK wanted Diem booted out and killed.

The record now clearly shows, President Kennedy, in his own words, did not want that.

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Tapes show Kennedy was conflicted over Saigon coup
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