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Palmetto Christian School in Florida joins 7 former Catholic schools, turns charter for public money
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They will get public taxpayer money to continue their schools as non-religious schools. Since they, like the 7 Catholic schools that now get public money, are keeping their faculty and personnel...I wonder just how secular they will be with that money from taxpayers.

Barry Lynn of American United wonders also.

"This is problematic particularly if you have the same personnel as when it was a private religious school," said Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, a Washington-based advocacy group. "One wonders if the people running the school will treat it as purely secular, purely a public institution?


I agree with Barry Lynn. That will make 8 religious schools that will claim to be former religious schools....getting taxpayer money.

AND since Arne Duncan has 4.3 billion for schools systems that expand their charters, will those districts be the recipient of his dollars as well?

More about the newest school that is stopping being religious and turning from private to non-private for our taxpayer money:

From the Herald Tribune:

Palmetto Christian to become public charter school

PALMETTO - Starting next school year, the Bibles, crosses and religious pictures will be removed from Palmetto Christian School.

In addition, the school will take on a new name and receive its funding from a new source: Florida taxpayers.

The K-8 school -- operating in the same building with most of the same leadership, staff and students it has now -- will become a charter school that could receive more than $1.7 million in state tax dollars.

The move was unanimously approved by the Manatee County School Board last week, despite contrary advice given by the board's own legal counsel. State law prohibits private schools, that fund themselves, from switching to charter schools that receive state money


Here is more about how 7 Catholic schools in Florida were rescued with public taxpayer money.

I am thinking the development of this charter school movement under our new Democratic administration is moving along perhaps too quickly. There are so many unasked and unanswered questions about turning over public taxpayer money to deregulated schools. It is reminding me now of a kind of runaway train that no one can stop. Yet no one really understands all the ramifications of what is happening.

Rescuing Catholic schools with public taxpayer money

And so, the Archdiocese of Miami will begin its experiment with charter schools this fall. What was intended as a pilot program at one parish Corpus Christi in Wynwood will become, for financial reasons, the norm at seven more. Charters also will open in August where five other Catholic schools closed this June: Sacred Heart, Our Lady of Divine Providence in Sweetwater, St. Francis Xavier in Overtown, St. Stephen in Miramar and St. Clement in Fort Lauderdale.

A seventh charter will open at St. Malachy in Tamarac, which opted to close its school before its financial situation deteriorated further. And an eighth charter will open in Miami Gardens, in the building used by St. Monica School until it closed in May 2008.

Charter schools are free, funded by public dollars, so religion cannot be taught during the school day. Unlike traditional public schools, however, charter schools operate independently of the local school board and have more leeway in managing day-to-day operations.


Here is more on the topic. It is happening elsewhere in other states. Info from DC.

Every morning, students at the Trinidad campus of Center City Public Charter Schools in Washington, D.C., line up on the pavement outside the school girls in plaid jumpers, boys in navy slacks and white shirts. Hands on their chests, they recite the schools mission:

"The Center City Public Charter Schools empower our children for success through a rigorous academic program and strong character education while challenging students to pursue personal excellence in character, conduct and scholarship in order to develop the skills necessary to both serve and lead others in the 21st century."

Its not the Lords Prayer, but it will have to do. Decidedly devoid of godliness, the childrens chant is an attempt by the school to replace one element of the religious education it used to impart. Trinidad is one of seven financially-troubled Catholic schools in the District of Columbia that converted to charter schools last fall in order to save them from being permanently shuttered.

The price for losing its religion is complicated. On one hand, the charter structure brought with it several thousand dollars more per student than the Archdiocese of Washington was able to provide, and it offered a guaranteed place for Holy Names former students and teachers.


I fear we are seeing a new way of taking over the public schools by getting control of the resources that fund them.

I am gathering there has been no legal challenge to this yet.

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  -Palmetto Christian School in Florida joins 7 former Catholic schools, turns charter for public money madfloridian  Nov-02-09 12:28 PM   #0 
  - Will they have to stop religious classes?  Ruby the Liberal   Nov-02-09 12:32 PM   #1 
  - They are supposed to stop religious tendencies. Charters are not regulated...  madfloridian   Nov-02-09 12:38 PM   #3 
  - So what separation of church and state clause ensures tax money is being used  Ruby the Liberal   Nov-02-09 01:34 PM   #10 
     - There is no way to make sure without being in the classroom.  madfloridian   Nov-02-09 02:32 PM   #16 
  - More from Barry Lynn  madfloridian   Nov-02-09 12:56 PM   #7 
     - Ah. I responded before I read the second post. Thanks for the link!  Ruby the Liberal   Nov-02-09 01:35 PM   #11 
     - I would love to see AU get more involved in this.  madfloridian   Nov-02-09 01:58 PM   #12 
     - Mr. Lynn is far from alone in his skepticism...  BrklynLiberal   Nov-02-09 03:27 PM   #17 
        - Well, they appear to be getting away with getting our tax money.  madfloridian   Nov-02-09 03:51 PM   #19 
           - and they do not have to abide by most of the rules that a public school must abide by..  BrklynLiberal   Nov-02-09 04:40 PM   #21 
  - Bush & Obama both support faith-based initiatives so what's surprising? n/t  jody   Nov-02-09 12:36 PM   #2 
  - State law prohibits it, but they are doing it anyway.  madfloridian   Nov-02-09 12:40 PM   #4 
  - Sounds like ONE dedicated resident of that county could make a legal challenge and  bertman   Nov-02-09 10:10 PM   #27 
  - Dammit! Public money  PSzymeczek   Nov-02-09 11:22 PM   #29 
  - "Hands on their chests, they recite the schools mission: "  dysfunctional press   Nov-02-09 12:45 PM   #5 
  - Sounds like this, huh?  UtilityCurve   Nov-02-09 02:06 PM   #13 
  - what's creepy is having little kids out there reciting it...  dysfunctional press   Nov-02-09 02:15 PM   #14 
  - "Character education," huh?  PSzymeczek   Nov-02-09 11:24 PM   #30 
     - who are you calling jerk...?  dysfunctional press   Nov-03-09 12:26 AM   #32 
        - I wasn't referring to you,  PSzymeczek   Nov-04-09 01:04 PM   #37 
  - "Yet school officials say the law does not apply in this case..."  madfloridian   Nov-02-09 12:53 PM   #6 
  - DUH!!!! If there is any doubt, there is no doubt. This is such a scam that they should  BrklynLiberal   Nov-02-09 03:29 PM   #18 
  - Bet on it.  PSzymeczek   Nov-02-09 11:25 PM   #31 
  - I see the money changers are still in the temple.  asjr   Nov-02-09 01:00 PM   #8 
  - It appears to be so.  madfloridian   Nov-02-09 01:11 PM   #9 
  - why worry?  placton   Nov-02-09 02:24 PM   #15 
  - Once again, madfloridian spotlights the important!  Nikki Stone1   Nov-02-09 04:00 PM   #20 
  - Florida parochial/charter move is part of a national trend  madfloridian   Nov-02-09 06:22 PM   #22 
  - Bait and swtich ... instead of saying "voucher" and  waiting for hope   Nov-02-09 07:12 PM   #23 
  - Just openly taking tax money...no one opposing.  madfloridian   Nov-02-09 08:49 PM   #24 
     - I remember the word Voucher being spoken here  waiting for hope   Nov-02-09 09:08 PM   #25 
  - Actually, I'm amazed New Orleans hasn't tried this  KamaAina   Nov-02-09 10:09 PM   #26 
  - It's called "disaster capitalism". It happened after Katrina.  madfloridian   Nov-02-09 10:58 PM   #28 
  - Does anyone here think  DonCoquixote   Nov-03-09 08:41 AM   #33 
  - Actually some already do get public money....or were going to get it.  madfloridian   Nov-03-09 10:10 AM   #34 
  - This is an Outrage  soarsboard2   Nov-04-09 12:32 PM   #35 
  - Yes, it is an outrage.  madfloridian   Nov-04-09 12:47 PM   #36 
  - Taxpayers bailing out religious schools.  madfloridian   Nov-05-09 12:37 PM   #38 
 

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