lumberjack_jeff
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Mon Nov-02-09 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #29 |
| 30. I'm muddy on process, I just know that Pelosi has scheduled a vote on this. |
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I think it then waits for a bill to pass the Senate, the two will then be reconciled.
I do not claim to be an expert on the process at all.
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| -Who Would Be Eligible For A Public Option? Far more than “10%” of the Population |
redqueen |
Nov-02-09 11:53 AM |
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Additionally, people who elect to decline their employer's plan are eligible. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 12:20 PM |
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I'm not sure that is the case - wasn't that the whole point of the Wyden amendment |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Nov-02-09 12:23 PM |
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The Senate HELP exchange is designed differently |
SpartanDem |
Nov-02-09 12:42 PM |
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If I'm reading it correctly, that only applies if the employer plan is unaffordable... |
redqueen |
Nov-02-09 12:27 PM |
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I don't think that's the case. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 01:14 PM |
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From What I've Read |
abluelady |
Nov-02-09 12:29 PM |
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Not true at all. |
Statistical |
Nov-02-09 12:43 PM |
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Read page 274 of HR3962 |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 01:12 PM |
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Not sure how you are reading into that. |
Statistical |
Nov-02-09 02:03 PM |
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The bill doesn't prevent anyone not covered by their employer to go without insurance. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 02:36 PM |
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No if you reject your employers coverage you get an IRS penalty. |
Statistical |
Nov-02-09 02:56 PM |
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Incorrect. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 03:26 PM |
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No they're not. If a plan is offered to you no matter how shitty, so long as it's "qualified" |
Raineyb |
Nov-02-09 01:49 PM |
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Read post 17. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 01:52 PM |
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And This Is Part of The Problem - The Democratic Leadership, Including the Obama Administration, Is |
ProleNoMore |
Nov-02-09 12:20 PM |
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I've felt like CBO has been muddying the waters also. |
Cant trust em |
Nov-02-09 12:26 PM |
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They are based on the facts. You are confused by the OP. The CBO projected how |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 01:13 PM |
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+1. The "public options" currently before the House and Senate are both grossly inadequate. |
inna |
Nov-02-09 01:29 PM |
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-1 |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 01:41 PM |
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The PO will be run by private insurance companies for the government. Do you |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 01:48 PM |
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Show me where it says that. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 01:51 PM |
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Since you want it, you got it! See, this isn't "like Medicare." That's a myth. |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 02:03 PM |
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Get a primary source. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 02:32 PM |
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Kip Sullivan's article is sourced with primary sources. You can click on them and read |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 03:50 PM |
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As for me, I have no problem reading. (nt) |
redqueen |
Nov-02-09 12:28 PM |
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Darwin I hope so! |
Taverner |
Nov-02-09 12:28 PM |
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If you read the Congressional Budget Offices report you will see why what you posted is misleading |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 12:37 PM |
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I didn't confuse anything. As the title clearly conveys, this is about eligibility. (nt) |
redqueen |
Nov-02-09 12:38 PM |
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Great. You are eligible to buy an apt building on the upper east side. Does that help with housing? |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 12:58 PM |
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You can't count all 15% of uninsured. |
Statistical |
Nov-02-09 12:40 PM |
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Perhaps they're downplaying it to limit opposition. |
tinrobot |
Nov-02-09 12:44 PM |
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I suspect this is true. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 01:37 PM |
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Thanks for posting this |
SpartanDem |
Nov-02-09 12:53 PM |
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Plus outfits like AP want to spin the CBO reports as negatively as possible for some reason n/t |
emulatorloo |
Nov-02-09 01:13 PM |
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You are mistaken,. The CBO didn't estimate eligibility for the PO, they estimated utilization. |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 01:22 PM |
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+1 |
Junkdrawer |
Nov-02-09 01:25 PM |
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I'm saying not take to those use estimates as the word of god |
SpartanDem |
Nov-02-09 02:20 PM |
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No they aren't because right now the major insurors have eliminated all the high risk people from |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 02:47 PM |
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Umm, HR 3200 is dead in the water, has been for a while now. |
no limit |
Nov-02-09 01:32 PM |
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HR3962 is the replacement. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 01:36 PM |
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But right now isn't it really up to the senate? |
no limit |
Nov-02-09 01:43 PM |
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I'm muddy on process, I just know that Pelosi has scheduled a vote on this. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 01:47 PM |
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The house will vote on their weak bill. The Senate will vote on thier weaker bill, then |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 01:53 PM |
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Any bill that would help some of us to get past "previously existing conditions" is an improvement |
HamdenRice |
Nov-02-09 01:33 PM |
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Yes! Just like the Iraq war vote. It had it's draw backs, but it clearly helped the Shiite |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 02:57 PM |
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Completely different. I'm going paralyzed from the neck down from a previously existing condition |
HamdenRice |
Nov-02-09 05:30 PM |
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And in about 5 years you might get covered if this bill passes. Of course |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 10:43 PM |
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Except for the absence of enforcement mechanisms n/t |
eridani |
Nov-02-09 09:24 PM |
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Since this scam has become a vehicle for a massive direct corporate welfare program |
Greyhound |
Nov-02-09 02:29 PM |
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LOL, this is the apocalyptic "the elites will never let real reform happen" BS I was talking about. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 03:00 PM |
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Student of history. |
Greyhound |
Nov-02-09 03:50 PM |
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I'm a student of history, too, buddo. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 09:23 PM |
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Yet you haven't learned. |
Greyhound |
Nov-03-09 12:15 AM |
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Or maybe I have a more optimistic view of history than you do. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-03-09 07:26 AM |
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History has nothing to do with optimism or pessimism, it is what was and serves |
Greyhound |
Nov-03-09 11:39 AM |
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Will if the elites will let real reform happen why haven't they? It's not in this bill. Time to put |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 03:53 PM |
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because people are too content whining and bitching on message boards. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 09:24 PM |
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I went to DC and lobbied both my Senators, Baucus and Tester. But it's also |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 10:50 PM |
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I prefer a fire-breathing, kill-em-all wingnut to these poseurs. |
Greyhound |
Nov-03-09 11:43 AM |
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