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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 01:37 PM
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27. I suspect this is true. n/t
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  -Who Would Be Eligible For A Public Option? Far more than 10% of the Population redqueen  Nov-02-09 11:53 AM   #0 
  - Additionally, people who elect to decline their employer's plan are eligible.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-02-09 12:20 PM   #1 
  - I'm not sure that is the case - wasn't that the whole point of the Wyden amendment  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Nov-02-09 12:23 PM   #3 
  - The Senate HELP exchange is designed differently  SpartanDem   Nov-02-09 12:42 PM   #12 
  - If I'm reading it correctly, that only applies if the employer plan is unaffordable...  redqueen   Nov-02-09 12:27 PM   #5 
  - I don't think that's the case.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-02-09 01:14 PM   #20 
  - From What I've Read  abluelady   Nov-02-09 12:29 PM   #8 
  - Not true at all.  Statistical   Nov-02-09 12:43 PM   #13 
  - Read page 274 of HR3962  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-02-09 01:12 PM   #17 
     - Not sure how you are reading into that.  Statistical   Nov-02-09 02:03 PM   # 
        - The bill doesn't prevent anyone not covered by their employer to go without insurance.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-02-09 02:36 PM   #40 
           - No if you reject your employers coverage you get an IRS penalty.  Statistical   Nov-02-09 02:56 PM   #42 
              - Incorrect.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-02-09 03:26 PM   #45 
  - No they're not. If a plan is offered to you no matter how shitty, so long as it's "qualified"  Raineyb   Nov-02-09 01:49 PM   #32 
     - Read post 17. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-02-09 01:52 PM   #34 
  - And This Is Part of The Problem - The Democratic Leadership, Including the Obama Administration, Is  ProleNoMore   Nov-02-09 12:20 PM   #2 
  - I've felt like CBO has been muddying the waters also.  Cant trust em   Nov-02-09 12:26 PM   #4 
  - They are based on the facts. You are confused by the OP. The CBO projected how  John Q. Citizen   Nov-02-09 01:13 PM   #19 
     - +1. The "public options" currently before the House and Senate are both grossly inadequate.  inna   Nov-02-09 01:29 PM   #23 
     - -1  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-02-09 01:41 PM   #28 
        - The PO will be run by private insurance companies for the government. Do you  John Q. Citizen   Nov-02-09 01:48 PM   #31 
           - Show me where it says that.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-02-09 01:51 PM   #33 
              - Since you want it, you got it! See, this isn't "like Medicare." That's a myth.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-02-09 02:03 PM   #36 
                 - Get a primary source.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-02-09 02:32 PM   #39 
                    - Kip Sullivan's article is sourced with primary sources. You can click on them and read  John Q. Citizen   Nov-02-09 03:50 PM   #46 
  - As for me, I have no problem reading. (nt)  redqueen   Nov-02-09 12:28 PM   #6 
  - Darwin I hope so!  Taverner   Nov-02-09 12:28 PM   #7 
  - If you read the Congressional Budget Offices report you will see why what you posted is misleading  John Q. Citizen   Nov-02-09 12:37 PM   #9 
  - I didn't confuse anything. As the title clearly conveys, this is about eligibility. (nt)  redqueen   Nov-02-09 12:38 PM   #10 
     - Great. You are eligible to buy an apt building on the upper east side. Does that help with housing?  John Q. Citizen   Nov-02-09 12:58 PM   #16 
  - You can't count all 15% of uninsured.  Statistical   Nov-02-09 12:40 PM   #11 
  - Perhaps they're downplaying it to limit opposition.  tinrobot   Nov-02-09 12:44 PM   #14 
  - I suspect this is true. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-02-09 01:37 PM   #27 
  - Thanks for posting this  SpartanDem   Nov-02-09 12:53 PM   #15 
  - Plus outfits like AP want to spin the CBO reports as negatively as possible for some reason n/t  emulatorloo   Nov-02-09 01:13 PM   #18 
  - You are mistaken,. The CBO didn't estimate eligibility for the PO, they estimated utilization.  John Q. Citizen   Nov-02-09 01:22 PM   #21 
     - +1  Junkdrawer   Nov-02-09 01:25 PM   #22 
     - I'm saying not take to those use estimates as the word of god  SpartanDem   Nov-02-09 02:20 PM   #37 
        - No they aren't because right now the major insurors have eliminated all the high risk people from  John Q. Citizen   Nov-02-09 02:47 PM   #41 
  - Umm, HR 3200 is dead in the water, has been for a while now.  no limit   Nov-02-09 01:32 PM   #24 
  - HR3962 is the replacement.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-02-09 01:36 PM   #26 
     - But right now isn't it really up to the senate?  no limit   Nov-02-09 01:43 PM   #29 
        - I'm muddy on process, I just know that Pelosi has scheduled a vote on this.  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-02-09 01:47 PM   #30 
        - The house will vote on their weak bill. The Senate will vote on thier weaker bill, then  John Q. Citizen   Nov-02-09 01:53 PM   #35 
  - Any bill that would help some of us to get past "previously existing conditions" is an improvement  HamdenRice   Nov-02-09 01:33 PM   #25 
  - Yes! Just like the Iraq war vote. It had it's draw backs, but it clearly helped the Shiite  John Q. Citizen   Nov-02-09 02:57 PM   #43 
  - Completely different. I'm going paralyzed from the neck down from a previously existing condition  HamdenRice   Nov-02-09 05:30 PM   #49 
     - And in about 5 years you might get covered if this bill passes. Of course  John Q. Citizen   Nov-02-09 10:43 PM   #53 
  - Except for the absence of enforcement mechanisms n/t  eridani   Nov-02-09 09:24 PM   #51 
  - Since this scam has become a vehicle for a massive direct corporate welfare program  Greyhound   Nov-02-09 02:29 PM   #38 
     - LOL, this is the apocalyptic "the elites will never let real reform happen" BS I was talking about.  Odin2005   Nov-02-09 03:00 PM   #44 
        - Student of history.  Greyhound   Nov-02-09 03:50 PM   #47 
        - I'm a student of history, too, buddo.  Odin2005   Nov-02-09 09:23 PM   #50 
           - Yet you haven't learned.  Greyhound   Nov-03-09 12:15 AM   #55 
              - Or maybe I have a more optimistic view of history than you do.  Odin2005   Nov-03-09 07:26 AM   #56 
                 - History has nothing to do with optimism or pessimism, it is what was and serves  Greyhound   Nov-03-09 11:39 AM   #57 
        - Will if the elites will let real reform happen why haven't they? It's not in this bill. Time to put  John Q. Citizen   Nov-02-09 03:53 PM   #48 
           - because people are too content whining and bitching on message boards.  Odin2005   Nov-02-09 09:24 PM   #52 
              - I went to DC and lobbied both my Senators, Baucus and Tester. But it's also  John Q. Citizen   Nov-02-09 10:50 PM   #54 
                 - I prefer a fire-breathing, kill-em-all wingnut to these poseurs.  Greyhound   Nov-03-09 11:43 AM   #58 

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