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Mon Nov-02-09 12:40 PM
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| 11. You can't count all 15% of uninsured. |
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Some people have health insurance "available" at work (like every single Walmart employee) however they are uninsured because
a) they can't afford the premiums
b) the plan sucks
c) they are young and feel it is cheaper/better to skip insurance.
Counting all 15% of currently uninsured and assuming they will all be eligible for public option is apples & orange comparison.
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| -Who Would Be Eligible For A Public Option? Far more than “10%” of the Population |
redqueen |
Nov-02-09 11:53 AM |
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Additionally, people who elect to decline their employer's plan are eligible. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 12:20 PM |
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I'm not sure that is the case - wasn't that the whole point of the Wyden amendment |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Nov-02-09 12:23 PM |
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The Senate HELP exchange is designed differently |
SpartanDem |
Nov-02-09 12:42 PM |
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If I'm reading it correctly, that only applies if the employer plan is unaffordable... |
redqueen |
Nov-02-09 12:27 PM |
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I don't think that's the case. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 01:14 PM |
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From What I've Read |
abluelady |
Nov-02-09 12:29 PM |
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Not true at all. |
Statistical |
Nov-02-09 12:43 PM |
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Read page 274 of HR3962 |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 01:12 PM |
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Not sure how you are reading into that. |
Statistical |
Nov-02-09 02:03 PM |
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The bill doesn't prevent anyone not covered by their employer to go without insurance. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 02:36 PM |
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No if you reject your employers coverage you get an IRS penalty. |
Statistical |
Nov-02-09 02:56 PM |
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Incorrect. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 03:26 PM |
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No they're not. If a plan is offered to you no matter how shitty, so long as it's "qualified" |
Raineyb |
Nov-02-09 01:49 PM |
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Read post 17. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 01:52 PM |
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And This Is Part of The Problem - The Democratic Leadership, Including the Obama Administration, Is |
ProleNoMore |
Nov-02-09 12:20 PM |
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I've felt like CBO has been muddying the waters also. |
Cant trust em |
Nov-02-09 12:26 PM |
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They are based on the facts. You are confused by the OP. The CBO projected how |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 01:13 PM |
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+1. The "public options" currently before the House and Senate are both grossly inadequate. |
inna |
Nov-02-09 01:29 PM |
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-1 |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 01:41 PM |
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The PO will be run by private insurance companies for the government. Do you |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 01:48 PM |
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Show me where it says that. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 01:51 PM |
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Since you want it, you got it! See, this isn't "like Medicare." That's a myth. |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 02:03 PM |
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Get a primary source. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 02:32 PM |
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Kip Sullivan's article is sourced with primary sources. You can click on them and read |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 03:50 PM |
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As for me, I have no problem reading. (nt) |
redqueen |
Nov-02-09 12:28 PM |
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Darwin I hope so! |
Taverner |
Nov-02-09 12:28 PM |
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If you read the Congressional Budget Offices report you will see why what you posted is misleading |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 12:37 PM |
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I didn't confuse anything. As the title clearly conveys, this is about eligibility. (nt) |
redqueen |
Nov-02-09 12:38 PM |
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Great. You are eligible to buy an apt building on the upper east side. Does that help with housing? |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 12:58 PM |
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You can't count all 15% of uninsured. |
Statistical |
Nov-02-09 12:40 PM |
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Perhaps they're downplaying it to limit opposition. |
tinrobot |
Nov-02-09 12:44 PM |
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I suspect this is true. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 01:37 PM |
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Thanks for posting this |
SpartanDem |
Nov-02-09 12:53 PM |
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Plus outfits like AP want to spin the CBO reports as negatively as possible for some reason n/t |
emulatorloo |
Nov-02-09 01:13 PM |
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You are mistaken,. The CBO didn't estimate eligibility for the PO, they estimated utilization. |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 01:22 PM |
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+1 |
Junkdrawer |
Nov-02-09 01:25 PM |
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I'm saying not take to those use estimates as the word of god |
SpartanDem |
Nov-02-09 02:20 PM |
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No they aren't because right now the major insurors have eliminated all the high risk people from |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 02:47 PM |
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Umm, HR 3200 is dead in the water, has been for a while now. |
no limit |
Nov-02-09 01:32 PM |
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HR3962 is the replacement. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 01:36 PM |
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But right now isn't it really up to the senate? |
no limit |
Nov-02-09 01:43 PM |
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I'm muddy on process, I just know that Pelosi has scheduled a vote on this. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 01:47 PM |
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The house will vote on their weak bill. The Senate will vote on thier weaker bill, then |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 01:53 PM |
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Any bill that would help some of us to get past "previously existing conditions" is an improvement |
HamdenRice |
Nov-02-09 01:33 PM |
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Yes! Just like the Iraq war vote. It had it's draw backs, but it clearly helped the Shiite |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 02:57 PM |
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Completely different. I'm going paralyzed from the neck down from a previously existing condition |
HamdenRice |
Nov-02-09 05:30 PM |
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And in about 5 years you might get covered if this bill passes. Of course |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 10:43 PM |
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Except for the absence of enforcement mechanisms n/t |
eridani |
Nov-02-09 09:24 PM |
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Since this scam has become a vehicle for a massive direct corporate welfare program |
Greyhound |
Nov-02-09 02:29 PM |
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LOL, this is the apocalyptic "the elites will never let real reform happen" BS I was talking about. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 03:00 PM |
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Student of history. |
Greyhound |
Nov-02-09 03:50 PM |
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I'm a student of history, too, buddo. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 09:23 PM |
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Yet you haven't learned. |
Greyhound |
Nov-03-09 12:15 AM |
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Or maybe I have a more optimistic view of history than you do. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-03-09 07:26 AM |
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History has nothing to do with optimism or pessimism, it is what was and serves |
Greyhound |
Nov-03-09 11:39 AM |
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Will if the elites will let real reform happen why haven't they? It's not in this bill. Time to put |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 03:53 PM |
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because people are too content whining and bitching on message boards. |
Odin2005 |
Nov-02-09 09:24 PM |
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I went to DC and lobbied both my Senators, Baucus and Tester. But it's also |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-02-09 10:50 PM |
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I prefer a fire-breathing, kill-em-all wingnut to these poseurs. |
Greyhound |
Nov-03-09 11:43 AM |
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