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Mon Nov-02-09 07:09 PM
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| 87. The facts are that every major Dem against any public option |
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has garnered money and favors from insurance companies, drug companies, and other such players.
those facts have been all over the joint.
The DUers you condescend to already know the facts. The money party is the problem. Dems and Pubbies alike.
the majority of americans want a solid option. But we won't have it because the money party won't allow it.
and we'll get nothing but bullshit about it.
I think Americans will be figuring this "puzzle" out, even if you'd rather not.
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| -Great Article by Fellow DUer AUTORANK-: "FAILURE BY DESIGN - The "Public" Option" |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Nov-02-09 08:31 AM |
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Excellent - captures the gist of the scam! This deserves widespread distribution! |
leveymg |
Nov-02-09 08:42 AM |
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Thanks levymg, much appreciated...and a Milione GRAZIE! Orwellian_Ghost |
autorank |
Nov-04-09 12:00 AM |
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bookmarking |
DemReadingDU |
Nov-02-09 08:46 AM |
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Bravo! |
Vinnie From Indy |
Nov-02-09 08:51 AM |
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I've been saying the same thing for months.Trying to get people to look at the so called PO |
bjobotts |
Nov-02-09 06:48 PM |
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It's a huge five away to priv. ins. just as Obama did with big pharma but |
bjobotts |
Nov-02-09 06:49 PM |
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Not everyone belongs to the Money Party and this is our last chance to drive a wedge into them |
bjobotts |
Nov-02-09 06:50 PM |
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That's why the HC issue is so important. Corporatocracy vs Democracy and the way to win= |
bjobotts |
Nov-02-09 06:52 PM |
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= getting rid of the senate filibuster so the bribed senators cannot stop the majority |
bjobotts |
Nov-02-09 06:53 PM |
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We elect the majority for a reason...not to be obstructed by a minority. |
bjobotts |
Nov-02-09 06:54 PM |
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Great article and this needs to be reiterated over and over again |
bjobotts |
Nov-02-09 06:55 PM |
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Sounds reasonable to me. nt |
Enthusiast |
Nov-03-09 08:31 AM |
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You are talking about symptoms |
WatchWhatISay |
Nov-03-09 02:13 AM |
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Excellent! K&R |
theFrankFactor |
Nov-03-09 12:08 AM |
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Thanks Frank |
autorank |
Nov-05-09 09:13 PM |
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Alright, Vinnie. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-03-09 08:29 AM |
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Fantastic! Thanks as always. nt |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Nov-02-09 08:53 AM |
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I know it's not germane to the topic, PhoebeLoosinhouse, but that is a wonderful name. |
Joe Chi Minh |
Nov-05-09 07:33 AM |
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Yes, the public option is not single payer - we know that. But I will be able to use it |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 08:57 AM |
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""insurers fear that Congress could change the rules later, opening it up to all people" |
emulatorloo |
Nov-02-09 09:09 AM |
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It will expand and those who complain about it will find other excuses to be bitter |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 09:28 AM |
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HughMoran, you are assuming that the forces of change will prevail as they did in '66. |
bertman |
Nov-02-09 11:14 AM |
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According to this, he will. |
redqueen |
Nov-02-09 11:36 AM |
#33 |
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NOT according to what you just posted. It says very clearly that this happens in 2013. |
bertman |
Nov-02-09 01:05 PM |
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And what of the catastrophic plan that is put into place immediately |
Pavlovs DiOgie |
Nov-02-09 05:53 PM |
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HughMoran said he COULD get insurance but that it would cost him body parts to do it. |
bertman |
Nov-02-09 06:18 PM |
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Bravo, tells it like it is, excellent. Thanks for posting this, OG. |
mother earth |
Nov-02-09 05:55 PM |
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Nonsense |
blindpig |
Nov-02-09 09:11 AM |
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You're opinion is well known and I chuck it instantly into the garbage can |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 09:26 AM |
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How many times does Lucy need to pull the football |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-02-09 11:27 AM |
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You again? |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 12:17 PM |
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fool me once... nt |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-02-09 12:36 PM |
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You make assumptions that will get us nowhere |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 12:38 PM |
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You've misidentified in whose eye |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-02-09 01:21 PM |
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Is it all about 'the Dems'? |
blindpig |
Nov-02-09 11:30 AM |
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Name removed |
Nov-02-09 12:22 PM |
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Partisanship trumps the commonweal.... |
blindpig |
Nov-02-09 12:43 PM |
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Not true |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 12:55 PM |
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Is it all about 'the Dems'? |
blindpig |
Nov-02-09 11:30 AM |
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Absolutely right! (Except for those of us who are going to refuse to shut up...) |
maryf |
Nov-02-09 07:02 PM |
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There was a different mindset after Medicare. Truman signed up right away |
autorank |
Nov-03-09 11:08 PM |
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Nonsense |
blindpig |
Nov-02-09 09:11 AM |
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How much money do you think the new PO... |
bvar22 |
Nov-02-09 11:49 AM |
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I think the CBO is conservatively estimating. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 12:28 PM |
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I certainly "hope" the CBO is wrong. |
bvar22 |
Nov-02-09 12:51 PM |
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That may indeed be the case initialy |
Pavlovs DiOgie |
Nov-02-09 05:57 PM |
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The difference is... |
bvar22 |
Nov-02-09 06:31 PM |
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how is public money being spent? |
Pavlovs DiOgie |
Nov-02-09 09:59 PM |
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Who the fuck even wants to choose plans? |
eridani |
Nov-02-09 08:27 PM |
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What a dumb thing to say |
Pavlovs DiOgie |
Nov-02-09 10:01 PM |
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When it comes to health care financing, competition is itself the cause of most of our problems |
eridani |
Nov-02-09 11:00 PM |
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When it comes to health care, damn straight I want the walmart model |
Mithreal |
Nov-03-09 01:36 AM |
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I don't want cheap. plastic crap HealthCare ... |
bvar22 |
Nov-03-09 09:58 AM |
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Agree, most of the walmart model is destructive |
Mithreal |
Nov-03-09 12:09 PM |
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There should be no for profit competition when it comes to |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-03-09 02:15 AM |
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Very well said, Sabrina. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-03-09 08:53 AM |
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Agree. |
bvar22 |
Nov-03-09 01:55 PM |
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Just because something's public doesn't mean it's available to anyone. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Nov-02-09 08:59 AM |
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If it's not affordable, you can simply refuse your coverage at your employer |
redqueen |
Nov-02-09 11:46 AM |
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^I heard about that just today.^ |
Shagbark Hickory |
Nov-02-09 01:18 PM |
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Most of those ineligible for the public option already have free government care. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 12:29 PM |
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Will give this a hearty Rec |
bread_and_roses |
Nov-02-09 09:04 AM |
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Captures Many Of My Sentiments - Thanks For Posting |
ProleNoMore |
Nov-02-09 09:08 AM |
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K&R |
EFerrari |
Nov-02-09 09:12 AM |
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Did you read it? |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 09:36 AM |
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Good morning! |
EFerrari |
Nov-02-09 09:39 AM |
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Converting back to standard time screw up your internal clock too? |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 09:47 AM |
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I read everything this DUer writes. He's one of our consistently |
EFerrari |
Nov-02-09 07:07 PM |
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So saying essentially nothing impresses you |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 07:17 PM |
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Nope. I just know what I like. |
EFerrari |
Nov-02-09 08:58 PM |
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Agreed. Wish I could save up recs and give them all to him! |
glitch |
Nov-02-09 08:59 PM |
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yes. I read it and REC |
joeycola |
Nov-02-09 09:58 AM |
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Why? |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 10:00 AM |
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A monkey can cheerlead the plan without critical appraisal also. |
joeycola |
Nov-02-09 10:02 AM |
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True, but certain monkeys here never promote anything the Dems do |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 10:05 AM |
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Facts I've presented previously |
autorank |
Nov-03-09 11:35 PM |
#132 |
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K&R |
Individualist |
Nov-02-09 10:09 AM |
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indeed... kick and rec(nt) |
fascisthunter |
Nov-02-09 10:09 AM |
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I think the OP has pulled out enough points from the bills to make |
joeycola |
Nov-02-09 10:54 AM |
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Thank you! |
autorank |
Nov-03-09 11:38 PM |
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Recommend. Thanks for posting, Orwellian_Ghost. |
bertman |
Nov-02-09 11:16 AM |
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K&R!! Best article on this yet. |
Kermitt Gribble |
Nov-02-09 11:17 AM |
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memories... |
kpete |
Nov-02-09 11:32 AM |
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He is also extremely handsome. |
Kurovski |
Nov-02-09 12:32 PM |
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Me in my later years;) |
autorank |
Nov-03-09 11:52 PM |
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K&R for Michael. Spot on as usual. nt |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-02-09 11:35 AM |
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Public Option is a ruse. It's nothing but a distraction ("shiny object") for the gullible. |
inna |
Nov-02-09 11:35 AM |
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knr. Thanks for posting. Yes, the Money Party members have definitely |
nightrain |
Nov-02-09 11:57 AM |
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It's only class warfare |
autorank |
Nov-03-09 11:53 PM |
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Do the math: |
bvar22 |
Nov-02-09 12:18 PM |
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K&R |
Kurovski |
Nov-02-09 12:36 PM |
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K & R |
malaise |
Nov-02-09 12:55 PM |
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Kick |
Kurovski |
Nov-02-09 01:36 PM |
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drink some nice herbal tea |
placton |
Nov-02-09 02:28 PM |
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It's a totally rigged system-from our elections to banking & everything in between. |
mod mom |
Nov-02-09 02:57 PM |
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I would join you in having a sad face but |
truedelphi |
Nov-02-09 07:08 PM |
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K & R! nt |
earth mom |
Nov-02-09 02:57 PM |
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Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-02-09 03:31 PM |
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What archery! |
kimmerspixelated |
Nov-02-09 03:36 PM |
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Kicked and recommended. |
Uncle Joe |
Nov-02-09 04:22 PM |
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Hey Joe |
autorank |
Nov-04-09 10:40 AM |
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Where're you going with that gun in your hand? |
Uncle Joe |
Nov-04-09 10:50 AM |
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Exactly!!! |
autorank |
Nov-05-09 02:32 PM |
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K & R |
Better Believe It |
Nov-02-09 04:31 PM |
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K&R |
hay rick |
Nov-02-09 04:39 PM |
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Just one more first for the USA. |
ipaint |
Nov-02-09 04:40 PM |
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And they said it couldn't be done! |
truedelphi |
Nov-02-09 07:09 PM |
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Uniquely American = Long Con. Ok sometimes also the Short Con. nt |
glitch |
Nov-02-09 09:04 PM |
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K&R |
valerief |
Nov-02-09 04:43 PM |
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Amid so much deliberate obfuscation by the Repubs, an explanation like this is |
Joe Chi Minh |
Nov-02-09 04:44 PM |
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Sigh |
Egnever |
Nov-02-09 06:36 PM |
#73 |
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The facts are that every major Dem against any public option |
Kurovski |
Nov-02-09 07:09 PM |
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+1 |
zeos3 |
Nov-02-09 07:24 PM |
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Ah, the magisterial superiority of the pseudo-intellectual troll. Awesome. Just awesome. |
Joe Chi Minh |
Nov-03-09 10:09 AM |
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Whenever I see "sigh" I think of febble;) |
autorank |
Nov-05-09 01:21 AM |
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Gee. Thanks for that, Mike! I'd been trying to remember her name. There's an Irish horse |
Joe Chi Minh |
Nov-05-09 07:32 AM |
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;) |
autorank |
Nov-05-09 02:23 PM |
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Here you go |
autorank |
Nov-05-09 01:19 AM |
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Kick. |
Kurovski |
Nov-02-09 05:36 PM |
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I really don't see it as that pessimistic, it is a break from the status quo just not... |
ProgressOnTheMove |
Nov-02-09 05:41 PM |
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K&R |
pleah |
Nov-02-09 05:49 PM |
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I am Canadian and thankful I am not in the USA |
riverbendviewgal |
Nov-02-09 07:02 PM |
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You've critiqued our problems quite nicely. |
CLANG |
Nov-02-09 09:29 PM |
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aw riverbendviewgal |
Skittles |
Nov-03-09 12:13 AM |
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You Canadians don't understand. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-03-09 09:06 AM |
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The problem in America is that... |
bvar22 |
Nov-03-09 10:08 AM |
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K&R |
maryf |
Nov-02-09 07:07 PM |
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Reading this, I am reminded of a thought that I had about a week ago |
truedelphi |
Nov-02-09 07:07 PM |
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That's good, only it should be reversed: for every $.50 on war, $1 on domestic welfare |
glitch |
Nov-02-09 09:13 PM |
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+ 1. n/t |
truedelphi |
Nov-03-09 01:13 PM |
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And the worst part |
Enthusiast |
Nov-03-09 09:13 AM |
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I think the reason they won't let it happen is that there is a whole industry that will lose jobs |
earcandle |
Nov-02-09 11:34 PM |
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Medicare took 11 months to implement -- |
nilram |
Nov-02-09 11:57 PM |
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thanks for this link |
msedano |
Nov-03-09 12:29 AM |
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what 10 years after they put it in place in four more years? |
WatchWhatISay |
Nov-03-09 02:11 AM |
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Excellent overview of a depressing scenario. Michael Collins tells it true! nt |
puebloknot |
Nov-03-09 01:32 AM |
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The Great Awakening |
autorank |
Nov-04-09 10:43 AM |
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Other People's Money - they want it at the cost of your life, but it's not called murder |
Major Hogwash |
Nov-03-09 01:40 AM |
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K&R especially for hughmorans of the world |
Mithreal |
Nov-03-09 01:40 AM |
#108 |
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K&R |
Hubert Flottz |
Nov-03-09 02:51 AM |
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Sighhhh. KnR |
Pooka Fey |
Nov-03-09 06:33 AM |
#113 |
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Recommend! |
timzi |
Nov-03-09 07:56 AM |
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K & R. It may not be pretty, but the truth WILL set you free. |
freddie mertz |
Nov-03-09 07:58 AM |
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I love your choice of name. |
Kurovski |
Nov-05-09 04:11 PM |
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Thanks, Ghost. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-03-09 08:26 AM |
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kick |
yurbud |
Nov-03-09 01:21 PM |
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Yep. The naivete hurts. n/t |
Greyhound |
Nov-03-09 01:21 PM |
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Worth another kick, nt |
maryf |
Nov-03-09 07:48 PM |
#130 |
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Kick |
autorank |
Nov-04-09 10:39 AM |
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People are SLOWLY Seeing the Long Con |
soarsboard2 |
Nov-04-09 11:33 AM |
#141 |
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It's like watching paint dry but ... |
autorank |
Nov-05-09 01:06 AM |
#142 |
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