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Mon Nov-02-09 09:58 AM
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| 18. yes. I read it and REC |
| -Great Article by Fellow DUer AUTORANK-: "FAILURE BY DESIGN - The "Public" Option" |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Nov-02-09 08:31 AM |
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Excellent - captures the gist of the scam! This deserves widespread distribution! |
leveymg |
Nov-02-09 08:42 AM |
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Thanks levymg, much appreciated...and a Milione GRAZIE! Orwellian_Ghost |
autorank |
Nov-04-09 12:00 AM |
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bookmarking |
DemReadingDU |
Nov-02-09 08:46 AM |
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Bravo! |
Vinnie From Indy |
Nov-02-09 08:51 AM |
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I've been saying the same thing for months.Trying to get people to look at the so called PO |
bjobotts |
Nov-02-09 06:48 PM |
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It's a huge five away to priv. ins. just as Obama did with big pharma but |
bjobotts |
Nov-02-09 06:49 PM |
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Not everyone belongs to the Money Party and this is our last chance to drive a wedge into them |
bjobotts |
Nov-02-09 06:50 PM |
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That's why the HC issue is so important. Corporatocracy vs Democracy and the way to win= |
bjobotts |
Nov-02-09 06:52 PM |
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= getting rid of the senate filibuster so the bribed senators cannot stop the majority |
bjobotts |
Nov-02-09 06:53 PM |
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We elect the majority for a reason...not to be obstructed by a minority. |
bjobotts |
Nov-02-09 06:54 PM |
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Great article and this needs to be reiterated over and over again |
bjobotts |
Nov-02-09 06:55 PM |
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Sounds reasonable to me. nt |
Enthusiast |
Nov-03-09 08:31 AM |
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You are talking about symptoms |
WatchWhatISay |
Nov-03-09 02:13 AM |
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Excellent! K&R |
theFrankFactor |
Nov-03-09 12:08 AM |
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Thanks Frank |
autorank |
Nov-05-09 09:13 PM |
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Alright, Vinnie. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-03-09 08:29 AM |
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Fantastic! Thanks as always. nt |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Nov-02-09 08:53 AM |
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I know it's not germane to the topic, PhoebeLoosinhouse, but that is a wonderful name. |
Joe Chi Minh |
Nov-05-09 07:33 AM |
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Yes, the public option is not single payer - we know that. But I will be able to use it |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 08:57 AM |
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""insurers fear that Congress could change the rules later, opening it up to all people" |
emulatorloo |
Nov-02-09 09:09 AM |
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It will expand and those who complain about it will find other excuses to be bitter |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 09:28 AM |
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HughMoran, you are assuming that the forces of change will prevail as they did in '66. |
bertman |
Nov-02-09 11:14 AM |
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According to this, he will. |
redqueen |
Nov-02-09 11:36 AM |
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NOT according to what you just posted. It says very clearly that this happens in 2013. |
bertman |
Nov-02-09 01:05 PM |
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And what of the catastrophic plan that is put into place immediately |
Pavlovs DiOgie |
Nov-02-09 05:53 PM |
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HughMoran said he COULD get insurance but that it would cost him body parts to do it. |
bertman |
Nov-02-09 06:18 PM |
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Bravo, tells it like it is, excellent. Thanks for posting this, OG. |
mother earth |
Nov-02-09 05:55 PM |
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Nonsense |
blindpig |
Nov-02-09 09:11 AM |
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You're opinion is well known and I chuck it instantly into the garbage can |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 09:26 AM |
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How many times does Lucy need to pull the football |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-02-09 11:27 AM |
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You again? |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 12:17 PM |
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fool me once... nt |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-02-09 12:36 PM |
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You make assumptions that will get us nowhere |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 12:38 PM |
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You've misidentified in whose eye |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-02-09 01:21 PM |
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Is it all about 'the Dems'? |
blindpig |
Nov-02-09 11:30 AM |
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Name removed |
Nov-02-09 12:22 PM |
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Partisanship trumps the commonweal.... |
blindpig |
Nov-02-09 12:43 PM |
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Not true |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 12:55 PM |
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Is it all about 'the Dems'? |
blindpig |
Nov-02-09 11:30 AM |
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Absolutely right! (Except for those of us who are going to refuse to shut up...) |
maryf |
Nov-02-09 07:02 PM |
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There was a different mindset after Medicare. Truman signed up right away |
autorank |
Nov-03-09 11:08 PM |
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Nonsense |
blindpig |
Nov-02-09 09:11 AM |
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How much money do you think the new PO... |
bvar22 |
Nov-02-09 11:49 AM |
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I think the CBO is conservatively estimating. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 12:28 PM |
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I certainly "hope" the CBO is wrong. |
bvar22 |
Nov-02-09 12:51 PM |
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That may indeed be the case initialy |
Pavlovs DiOgie |
Nov-02-09 05:57 PM |
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The difference is... |
bvar22 |
Nov-02-09 06:31 PM |
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how is public money being spent? |
Pavlovs DiOgie |
Nov-02-09 09:59 PM |
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Who the fuck even wants to choose plans? |
eridani |
Nov-02-09 08:27 PM |
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What a dumb thing to say |
Pavlovs DiOgie |
Nov-02-09 10:01 PM |
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When it comes to health care financing, competition is itself the cause of most of our problems |
eridani |
Nov-02-09 11:00 PM |
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When it comes to health care, damn straight I want the walmart model |
Mithreal |
Nov-03-09 01:36 AM |
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I don't want cheap. plastic crap HealthCare ... |
bvar22 |
Nov-03-09 09:58 AM |
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Agree, most of the walmart model is destructive |
Mithreal |
Nov-03-09 12:09 PM |
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There should be no for profit competition when it comes to |
sabrina 1 |
Nov-03-09 02:15 AM |
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Very well said, Sabrina. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-03-09 08:53 AM |
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Agree. |
bvar22 |
Nov-03-09 01:55 PM |
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Just because something's public doesn't mean it's available to anyone. |
Shagbark Hickory |
Nov-02-09 08:59 AM |
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If it's not affordable, you can simply refuse your coverage at your employer |
redqueen |
Nov-02-09 11:46 AM |
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^I heard about that just today.^ |
Shagbark Hickory |
Nov-02-09 01:18 PM |
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Most of those ineligible for the public option already have free government care. n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Nov-02-09 12:29 PM |
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Will give this a hearty Rec |
bread_and_roses |
Nov-02-09 09:04 AM |
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Captures Many Of My Sentiments - Thanks For Posting |
ProleNoMore |
Nov-02-09 09:08 AM |
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K&R |
EFerrari |
Nov-02-09 09:12 AM |
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Did you read it? |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 09:36 AM |
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Good morning! |
EFerrari |
Nov-02-09 09:39 AM |
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Converting back to standard time screw up your internal clock too? |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 09:47 AM |
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I read everything this DUer writes. He's one of our consistently |
EFerrari |
Nov-02-09 07:07 PM |
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So saying essentially nothing impresses you |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 07:17 PM |
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Nope. I just know what I like. |
EFerrari |
Nov-02-09 08:58 PM |
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Agreed. Wish I could save up recs and give them all to him! |
glitch |
Nov-02-09 08:59 PM |
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yes. I read it and REC |
joeycola |
Nov-02-09 09:58 AM |
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Why? |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 10:00 AM |
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A monkey can cheerlead the plan without critical appraisal also. |
joeycola |
Nov-02-09 10:02 AM |
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True, but certain monkeys here never promote anything the Dems do |
HughMoran |
Nov-02-09 10:05 AM |
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Facts I've presented previously |
autorank |
Nov-03-09 11:35 PM |
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K&R |
Individualist |
Nov-02-09 10:09 AM |
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indeed... kick and rec(nt) |
fascisthunter |
Nov-02-09 10:09 AM |
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I think the OP has pulled out enough points from the bills to make |
joeycola |
Nov-02-09 10:54 AM |
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Thank you! |
autorank |
Nov-03-09 11:38 PM |
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Recommend. Thanks for posting, Orwellian_Ghost. |
bertman |
Nov-02-09 11:16 AM |
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K&R!! Best article on this yet. |
Kermitt Gribble |
Nov-02-09 11:17 AM |
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memories... |
kpete |
Nov-02-09 11:32 AM |
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He is also extremely handsome. |
Kurovski |
Nov-02-09 12:32 PM |
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Me in my later years;) |
autorank |
Nov-03-09 11:52 PM |
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K&R for Michael. Spot on as usual. nt |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-02-09 11:35 AM |
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Public Option is a ruse. It's nothing but a distraction ("shiny object") for the gullible. |
inna |
Nov-02-09 11:35 AM |
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knr. Thanks for posting. Yes, the Money Party members have definitely |
nightrain |
Nov-02-09 11:57 AM |
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It's only class warfare |
autorank |
Nov-03-09 11:53 PM |
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Do the math: |
bvar22 |
Nov-02-09 12:18 PM |
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K&R |
Kurovski |
Nov-02-09 12:36 PM |
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K & R |
malaise |
Nov-02-09 12:55 PM |
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Kick |
Kurovski |
Nov-02-09 01:36 PM |
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drink some nice herbal tea |
placton |
Nov-02-09 02:28 PM |
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It's a totally rigged system-from our elections to banking & everything in between. |
mod mom |
Nov-02-09 02:57 PM |
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I would join you in having a sad face but |
truedelphi |
Nov-02-09 07:08 PM |
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K & R! nt |
earth mom |
Nov-02-09 02:57 PM |
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Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-02-09 03:31 PM |
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What archery! |
kimmerspixelated |
Nov-02-09 03:36 PM |
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Kicked and recommended. |
Uncle Joe |
Nov-02-09 04:22 PM |
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Hey Joe |
autorank |
Nov-04-09 10:40 AM |
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Where're you going with that gun in your hand? |
Uncle Joe |
Nov-04-09 10:50 AM |
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Exactly!!! |
autorank |
Nov-05-09 02:32 PM |
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K & R |
Better Believe It |
Nov-02-09 04:31 PM |
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K&R |
hay rick |
Nov-02-09 04:39 PM |
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Just one more first for the USA. |
ipaint |
Nov-02-09 04:40 PM |
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And they said it couldn't be done! |
truedelphi |
Nov-02-09 07:09 PM |
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Uniquely American = Long Con. Ok sometimes also the Short Con. nt |
glitch |
Nov-02-09 09:04 PM |
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K&R |
valerief |
Nov-02-09 04:43 PM |
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Amid so much deliberate obfuscation by the Repubs, an explanation like this is |
Joe Chi Minh |
Nov-02-09 04:44 PM |
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Sigh |
Egnever |
Nov-02-09 06:36 PM |
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The facts are that every major Dem against any public option |
Kurovski |
Nov-02-09 07:09 PM |
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+1 |
zeos3 |
Nov-02-09 07:24 PM |
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Ah, the magisterial superiority of the pseudo-intellectual troll. Awesome. Just awesome. |
Joe Chi Minh |
Nov-03-09 10:09 AM |
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Whenever I see "sigh" I think of febble;) |
autorank |
Nov-05-09 01:21 AM |
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Gee. Thanks for that, Mike! I'd been trying to remember her name. There's an Irish horse |
Joe Chi Minh |
Nov-05-09 07:32 AM |
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;) |
autorank |
Nov-05-09 02:23 PM |
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Here you go |
autorank |
Nov-05-09 01:19 AM |
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Kick. |
Kurovski |
Nov-02-09 05:36 PM |
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I really don't see it as that pessimistic, it is a break from the status quo just not... |
ProgressOnTheMove |
Nov-02-09 05:41 PM |
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K&R |
pleah |
Nov-02-09 05:49 PM |
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I am Canadian and thankful I am not in the USA |
riverbendviewgal |
Nov-02-09 07:02 PM |
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You've critiqued our problems quite nicely. |
CLANG |
Nov-02-09 09:29 PM |
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aw riverbendviewgal |
Skittles |
Nov-03-09 12:13 AM |
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You Canadians don't understand. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-03-09 09:06 AM |
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The problem in America is that... |
bvar22 |
Nov-03-09 10:08 AM |
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K&R |
maryf |
Nov-02-09 07:07 PM |
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Reading this, I am reminded of a thought that I had about a week ago |
truedelphi |
Nov-02-09 07:07 PM |
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That's good, only it should be reversed: for every $.50 on war, $1 on domestic welfare |
glitch |
Nov-02-09 09:13 PM |
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+ 1. n/t |
truedelphi |
Nov-03-09 01:13 PM |
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And the worst part |
Enthusiast |
Nov-03-09 09:13 AM |
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I think the reason they won't let it happen is that there is a whole industry that will lose jobs |
earcandle |
Nov-02-09 11:34 PM |
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Medicare took 11 months to implement -- |
nilram |
Nov-02-09 11:57 PM |
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thanks for this link |
msedano |
Nov-03-09 12:29 AM |
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what 10 years after they put it in place in four more years? |
WatchWhatISay |
Nov-03-09 02:11 AM |
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Excellent overview of a depressing scenario. Michael Collins tells it true! nt |
puebloknot |
Nov-03-09 01:32 AM |
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The Great Awakening |
autorank |
Nov-04-09 10:43 AM |
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Other People's Money - they want it at the cost of your life, but it's not called murder |
Major Hogwash |
Nov-03-09 01:40 AM |
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K&R especially for hughmorans of the world |
Mithreal |
Nov-03-09 01:40 AM |
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K&R |
Hubert Flottz |
Nov-03-09 02:51 AM |
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Sighhhh. KnR |
Pooka Fey |
Nov-03-09 06:33 AM |
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Recommend! |
timzi |
Nov-03-09 07:56 AM |
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K & R. It may not be pretty, but the truth WILL set you free. |
freddie mertz |
Nov-03-09 07:58 AM |
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I love your choice of name. |
Kurovski |
Nov-05-09 04:11 PM |
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Thanks, Ghost. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-03-09 08:26 AM |
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kick |
yurbud |
Nov-03-09 01:21 PM |
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Yep. The naivete hurts. n/t |
Greyhound |
Nov-03-09 01:21 PM |
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Worth another kick, nt |
maryf |
Nov-03-09 07:48 PM |
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Kick |
autorank |
Nov-04-09 10:39 AM |
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People are SLOWLY Seeing the Long Con |
soarsboard2 |
Nov-04-09 11:33 AM |
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It's like watching paint dry but ... |
autorank |
Nov-05-09 01:06 AM |
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