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46. It is certainly OK to question, but then people do not respond...

Question, how many liberals would have switched their support from ....
Edited on Sun Nov-01-09 06:48 PM by slipslidingaway
single payer, not for profit HC, or at the very least not signed on so quickly, if Dean had not come out in favor of a yet to be determined plan?

And how close have we come to what is laid out on the site?

"What does universally available mean?

A universally available public option would be open to anyone regardless of gender, race, religion, income or employer.

What does public option mean?

A pubic option would allow anyone and everyone to choose a healthcare plan provided by the government like Medicare is today.

What about single payer healthcare?

In America, we already offer single payer healthcare to our Veterans through the Veterans Health Administration. Americans over the age of 65 already benefit from a single payer system provided in Medicare. Single payer systems thrive in every other industrialized country where citizens have government provided healthcare.

Our position is that even in those countries, like Britain and Canada, citizens are allowed to purchase for-profit insurance if they want it. We believe Americans deserve the right to choose their own healthcare and therefore a public healthcare option like Medicare must be made available for any American to choose.

What about HR676 or other single payer bills already purposed?

Governor Howard Dean, M.D. is not proposing a specific plan. We are drawing a line in the sand over the key principle of real healthcare reform: availability of a public healthcare option. If the final bill allows Americans to choose between for-profit insurance or a universally available public healthcare option, then it will meet the key principles and deserve our support.

A universally available public option like Medicare is the only way to guarantee healthcare for all Americans and its inclusion in healthcare legislation passed by Congress this year is non- negotiable..."

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  -There's still room under the bus. madfloridian  Nov-01-09 04:01 PM   #0 
  - It never ceases to amaze me how big this bus's wheelbase must be to  GreenPartyVoter   Nov-01-09 04:05 PM   #1 
  - Great pic. lol But the unrecs began quickly.  madfloridian   Nov-01-09 04:07 PM   #3 
  - Well, I suppose I have thrown public figures under the bus at times but I try  GreenPartyVoter   Nov-01-09 04:11 PM   #5 
  - Had to scurry.  madfloridian   Nov-01-09 04:13 PM   #7 
  - "Endeavor to persevere"! nt  Atticus   Nov-01-09 04:31 PM   #9 
  - Looks like it's time to bring this back... (Animation)  Yes We Did   Nov-02-09 08:37 AM   #78 
  - Obama was the first to be thrown there  impik   Nov-02-09 01:06 AM   #73 
     - Dennis K got thrown there pretty fast during the primaries.  GreenPartyVoter   Nov-02-09 10:19 AM   #84 
  - Who else is down there with Obama?  stray cat   Nov-01-09 04:06 PM   #2 
  - Excellent post!  PuraVidaDreamin   Nov-01-09 04:08 PM   #4 
  - The kind words...  madfloridian   Nov-01-09 10:38 PM   #62 
  - Yeah, they were throwing our Precious Howard Dean under  Cha   Nov-01-09 04:12 PM   #6 
  - Question, how many liberals would have switched their support from ....  slipslidingaway   Nov-01-09 05:48 PM   #22 
     - And this statement omitted a few key points of the Canadian and UK system...  slipslidingaway   Nov-01-09 05:54 PM   #24 
  - We are democrats  AllentownJake   Nov-01-09 04:27 PM   #8 
  - Just a suggestion for those under the bus..  flyarm   Nov-01-09 04:42 PM   #10 
  - Love you fly!  saracat   Nov-02-09 03:52 PM   #112 
  - It's The New Flavor Of The Moment....  KharmaTrain   Nov-01-09 04:42 PM   #11 
  - Midfield, are you serious?  Mithreal   Nov-01-09 05:02 PM   #16 
  - So Your Alternative?  KharmaTrain   Nov-01-09 05:10 PM   #18 
     - Huh, alternative? Get out and work and don't forget the phone calls either.  Mithreal   Nov-01-09 06:15 PM   #26 
        - Been There Done That...  KharmaTrain   Nov-01-09 06:23 PM   #27 
           - Perseverance is so yesterday. Presumptuous much?  Mithreal   Nov-01-09 07:19 PM   #30 
  - Alarm  kenfrequed   Nov-02-09 11:27 AM   #97 
  - Who's doing the throwing? DUers? The administration? Someone else? nt  polichick   Nov-01-09 04:46 PM   #12 
  - There is always more room under the bus  Sinti   Nov-01-09 04:47 PM   #13 
  - In the case of Dean some people have questioned why he has been ....  slipslidingaway   Nov-01-09 04:57 PM   #14 
  - Hey, I like Dean too, but this time he's flat out wrong  eridani   Nov-01-09 05:02 PM   #15 
  - When you're under the bus too, there isn't much you can do.  Umbral   Nov-01-09 05:05 PM   #17 
  - your forgot commondreams  niyad   Nov-01-09 05:33 PM   #19 
  - I did not know about Common Dreams.  madfloridian   Nov-01-09 06:13 PM   #25 
     - somebody was whining a week or so ago about how awful and unreliable commondreams is,  niyad   Nov-01-09 11:02 PM   #66 
        - They have a variety of authors....many of them.  madfloridian   Nov-01-09 11:05 PM   #67 
           - well, we both know that--however, the problem, of course, is that some of those columns  niyad   Nov-01-09 11:09 PM   #69 
  - HONK!! HONK!!  bertman   Nov-01-09 05:37 PM   #20 
  - OT ....  slipslidingaway   Nov-01-09 05:41 PM   #21 
     - What does OT mean? Thanks for the link to pnhp; although, I must say that it makes  bertman   Nov-01-09 07:43 PM   #33 
        - Off topic...  slipslidingaway   Nov-01-09 08:07 PM   #35 
        - Correcting the founder of PHNP who called Dean a liar.  madfloridian   Nov-01-09 08:16 PM   #37 
           - Here was my reply to you in that thread - you conveniently left out the quotes...  slipslidingaway   Nov-01-09 08:53 PM   #43 
           - I'm glad you posted your response about Dr. Dean's comments on Single Payer; however,  bertman   Nov-01-09 08:59 PM   #44 
           - I agree the group should not have been shut out.  madfloridian   Nov-01-09 09:19 PM   #50 
              - Blame the Dem leadership and those who tried to confuse people instead...  slipslidingaway   Nov-01-09 09:22 PM   #53 
           - The public option is not like Medicare and it is not like single payer...  slipslidingaway   Nov-01-09 09:04 PM   #45 
           - Which public option are you claiming these groups support. The real one or the fake ones?  John Q. Citizen   Nov-01-09 10:48 PM   #64 
  - One thing I have learned over my years as a Democrat,  Ruby the Liberal   Nov-01-09 05:51 PM   #23 
  - " . . . calling and emailing into the great brick wall on the hill." That is a Classic--  bertman   Nov-01-09 10:10 PM   #59 
     - Its all yours  Ruby the Liberal   Nov-02-09 08:57 AM   #83 
  - Magnificent observations, MF! Recommended.  Vidar   Nov-01-09 06:43 PM   #28 
  - Gays were under the bus BEFORE it was cool. Everyone else is just a bunch of posers. n/t  DRoseDARs   Nov-01-09 07:08 PM   #29 
  - I agree with your first sentence, but not the 2nd  madfloridian   Nov-01-09 07:34 PM   #31 
     - It was snark. You don't have to agree, but you DO have to snicker. That's the law. n/t  DRoseDARs   Nov-01-09 08:11 PM   #36 
        - lol  madfloridian   Nov-01-09 08:17 PM   #38 
  - Well said  Time for change   Nov-01-09 07:37 PM   #32 
  - I appreciate your comment.  madfloridian   Nov-01-09 08:30 PM   #41 
  - K&R.  Kurovski   Nov-01-09 08:01 PM   #34 
  - Fear not! There is room for all under the Hopemobile!  QC   Nov-01-09 08:17 PM   #39 
  - "...the demise of public education that is coming under this administration..."  Gman   Nov-01-09 08:25 PM   #40 
  - So it's okay for the so called Left to "throw Dean under the bus"?  Cha   Nov-01-09 08:45 PM   #42 
  - It is certainly OK to question, but then people do not respond...  slipslidingaway   Nov-01-09 09:09 PM   #46 
  - Yeah, I'm actually adressing the  Cha   Nov-01-09 09:14 PM   #47 
     - Well I did not get mine from you, any replies to my earlier posts to you in this  slipslidingaway   Nov-01-09 09:19 PM   #49 
     - I just now saw your post.  madfloridian   Nov-01-09 09:21 PM   #51 
  - Where in the world do I defend those who attack Obama?  madfloridian   Nov-01-09 09:16 PM   #48 
  - It won't work, calling me angry when I'm obviously  Cha   Nov-01-09 09:21 PM   #52 
     - You know what?  madfloridian   Nov-01-09 09:24 PM   #54 
        - I haven't even responded to you  Cha   Nov-01-09 09:30 PM   #56 
  - yeah, because ANYBODY who has ANY disagreement with obama's actions automatically hates him  niyad   Nov-01-09 11:05 PM   #68 
  - that insult is becoming meaningless and boring.  joeycola   Nov-04-09 12:48 PM   #119 
  - SO...  madfloridian   Nov-01-09 09:29 PM   #55 
  - You could blame groups that were shut out from the discussions and did not...  slipslidingaway   Nov-01-09 10:06 PM   #58 
  - Never mind.  madfloridian   Nov-01-09 09:32 PM   #57 
  - This bus thing is silly.  elleng   Nov-01-09 10:32 PM   #60 
  - It is a silly thing for people to do.  madfloridian   Nov-01-09 10:34 PM   #61 
     - This is NOT SILLY?  elleng   Nov-01-09 10:46 PM   #63 
        - I don't expect you to approve of anything I post.  madfloridian   Nov-01-09 10:50 PM   #65 
           - To suggest that I will disagree with everything you post is foolish.  elleng   Nov-01-09 11:24 PM   #71 
              - Well, you be sure to let me know what is not silly and foolish.  madfloridian   Nov-01-09 11:25 PM   #72 
  - k/r  emilyg   Nov-01-09 11:14 PM   #70 
  - compromise is a tool - not an absolute imho. I believe the GOP leaders have shown themselves for  Divine Discontent   Nov-02-09 01:10 AM   #74 
  - I had some questions about some of Howard Deans latest actions and it has nothing to do with busses  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Nov-02-09 06:12 AM   #75 
  - I guess I should not have even said I was "waiting" to criticize.  madfloridian   Nov-02-09 10:21 AM   #85 
     - Well thanks for saying my thread was fair.  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Nov-02-09 10:43 AM   #90 
  - I'm kicking in hopes of getting a resonse from the OP. nt  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Nov-02-09 08:15 AM   #76 
  - The OP was offline over night.  madfloridian   Nov-02-09 10:23 AM   #86 
     - You can do that? I thought that was against DU rules.  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Nov-02-09 10:32 AM   #88 
        - I must not be getting what you are saying.  madfloridian   Nov-02-09 10:34 AM   #89 
           - I was making a joke. That you were able to get off the computer and  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Nov-02-09 10:44 AM   #91 
  - I can't focus on any thread.  12AngryBorneoWildmen   Nov-02-09 08:27 AM   #77 
  - "We" took control of the government? When did that happen?  Better Believe It   Nov-02-09 08:38 AM   #79 
  - "We" took control of the government? When did that happen?  Better Believe It   Nov-02-09 08:38 AM   #80 
  - "We" took control of the government? When did that happen?  Better Believe It   Nov-02-09 08:39 AM   #81 
  - Democrats...  madfloridian   Nov-02-09 10:24 AM   #87 
     - Thanks for the clarification. Don't know how I managed to make duplicate posts.  Better Believe It   Nov-02-09 01:26 PM   #108 
  - I say its time to move the bus...  winyanstaz   Nov-02-09 08:54 AM   #82 
  - K&R  Richard Steele   Nov-02-09 10:56 AM   #92 
  - This is an ill advised opinion  NJmaverick   Nov-02-09 10:56 AM   #93 
  - I am not anti-Obama at all. Never have been. Supported him in the primaries.  madfloridian   Nov-02-09 10:58 AM   #94 
     - Your claim is criticism of people criticizing amounts to "throwing people under the bus"  NJmaverick   Nov-02-09 11:12 AM   #95 
     - I do my fair share of criticizing. I don't have membership in a "crowd"  madfloridian   Nov-02-09 11:26 AM   #96 
     - I wouldnt say anti Obama  bkozumplik   Nov-02-09 01:19 PM   #106 
     - Same here.  Better Believe It   Nov-02-09 01:27 PM   #109 
  - I want to hear more about failed Catholic schools in Florida.  rgbecker   Nov-02-09 11:36 AM   #98 
  - Here you  madfloridian   Nov-02-09 11:48 AM   #99 
  - I believe the present number that will be getting taxpayer money is 7  madfloridian   Nov-02-09 11:51 AM   #101 
  - One way or another, someone is going to be under the bus  MSchreader   Nov-02-09 11:51 AM   #100 
  - Yes, but it shouldn't be the bus driver. Remember Molly Ivins.  Major Hogwash   Nov-02-09 12:09 PM   #102 
     - here here  bkozumplik   Nov-02-09 01:12 PM   #105 
  - If you've been thrown under the bus, then surely Obama's wrapped around the rear axle  Chulanowa   Nov-02-09 12:11 PM   #103 
  - "an evil, useless motherfucker"  RetroLounge   Nov-02-09 01:28 PM   #110 
  - Who is we? nt  valerief   Nov-02-09 12:47 PM   #104 
  - Is there like a nitpicker's forum @ DU? Do you guys hold meetups on shit  xultar   Nov-02-09 01:24 PM   #107 
     - Who are 'you guys'? nt  valerief   Nov-02-09 04:14 PM   #115 
  - Thank you madflo k +R. You are always one of the fairest posters on DU.  saracat   Nov-02-09 03:21 PM   #111 
  - madfloridian, You A Breathtakingly Refreshing And Smart, And  Dinger   Nov-02-09 03:55 PM   #113 
  - Damn, I Want To Say Something, But I  Dinger   Nov-02-09 03:59 PM   #114 
  - I rec'd ya last night - today you get the  waiting for hope   Nov-02-09 05:04 PM   #116 
  - The DLC Never "tire" of throwing people under the Bus  Grinchie   Nov-03-09 05:35 AM   #117 
  - kick for Excellence as usual from madfloridian  Jax   Nov-03-09 01:19 PM   #118 
  - Ed Schultz is another  Generator   Nov-04-09 01:19 PM   #120 

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