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26. Examples...
UPDATE: Fragile X, Edwards, and Special Interests
by chuckles1
Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 06:28:39 AM PDT

Greetings friends.
Some time ago, I went searching for the early Senate record of John Edwards. My reason was simple, I wanted to find out what this man, who was elected to the Senate in 1998, stood for. Here in North Carolina, we have recently been treated to Senators that, when elected, fail to do the people's work because they know they have 6 years to make up for screwing the good folks of North Carolina. Even among Democrats, often the first couple years are spent making up favors to special interests. Don't believe me? Go check out the bills SPONSORED by your local Senators in their first couple years.
So, I did that. I wanted to see, who was it that John Edwards considered his "special interest". I'll admit that I, in particular, was shocked by what I found.

(snip)

    S.1131
    Title: A bill to promote research into, and the development of an ultimate cure for, the disease known as Fragile X.
    Sponsor: Sen Edwards, John (introduced 5/26/1999)

    (snip)

    S.975 : A bill to amend chapter 30 of title 39, United States Code, to provide for a uniform notification system under which individuals may elect not to receive mailings relating to skill contests or sweepstakes, and for other purposes.

    S.1018 : A bill to provide for the appointment of additional Federal district judges in the State of North Carolina, and for other purposes.

    S.1131 : A bill to promote research into, and the development of an ultimate cure for, the disease known as Fragile X.

    S.1424 : A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide the same tax treatment for special pay as for combat pay.

    S.1610 : A bill to authorize additional emergency disaster relief for victims of Hurricane Dennis and Hurricane Floyd.

    S.1850 : A bill to amend section 222 of the Communications Act of 1934 to modify the requirements relating to the use and disclosure of customer proprietary network information, and for other purposes.

    S.2064 : A bill to amend the Missing Children's Assistance Act, to expand the purpose of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children to cover individuals who are at least 18 but have not yet attained the age of 22.

    S.2065 : A bill to authorize the Attorney General to provide grants for organizations to find missing adults.

    S.2100 : A bill to provide for fire sprinkler systems in public and private college and university housing and dormitories, including fraternity and sorority housing and dormitories.

    S.3180 : A bill to provide for the disclosure of the collection of information through computer software, and for other purposes.

    S.3221 : A bill to provide grants to law enforcement agencies that ensure that law enforcement officers employed by such agencies are afforded due process when involved in a case that may lead to dismissal, demotion, suspension, or tranfer.

    S.3228 : A bill to promote the development of affordable, quality rental housing in rural areas for low-income households.

Take a look at those bills. Affordable housing, hurricane relief, Fragile X, "special pay" tax relief for soldiers, heck even junk mail protection, and spyware protection. All of them are aimed at helping people. There are other bills he Sponsored, you can go see them, most are import tariff exemptions for our FORMER textile mills, the ones that are now gone to foreign countries. Again, all his bills are aimed at helping people like us, workers, citizens, voters. They aren't aimed ONLY at the business community, they ARE handouts to his special interest group - people.

Caring about people. It isn't new, it isn't something he is doing for his Presidential race, it is something he has always done, even when the heat WASN'T on him. I like that.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/3/26/92758/1809



UNC-Chapel Hill creates Center on Poverty, Work and Opportunity;
names former Sen. John Edwards as director


CHAPEL HILL -- The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill is launching a Center on Poverty, Work and Opportunity that will be led by former U.S. Senator and vice presidential candidate John Edwards.

The Center on Poverty, Work and Opportunity will be a nonpartisan initiative, bringing together UNC-Chapel Hill faculty and other national public policy experts to examine innovative and practical ideas for moving more Americans out of poverty and into the middle class. The center will have an advisory committee of senior faculty representing multiple disciplines across campus. In addition to leading the center, Edwards also will serve as a guest lecturer on campus.

"John Edwards is a distinguished Carolina alumnus, and we are delighted that he will return to campus to bring together todays best minds to focus on issues that affect us all," Chancellor James Moeser said.

Edwards spent six years in the U.S. Senate. In that time, he championed policy initiatives such as raising the minimum wage, expanding the earned income tax credit, creating matching savings accounts for low-income families, and providing incentives for teachers to teach in low-income schools. Edwards also focused on poverty during last years presidential campaign.

"The time I spent at Chapel Hill gave me many of the tools I have used all my life to help those who are struggling, and I am so proud that I will be able to continue this work and also give something back to UNC-Chapel Hill," Edwards said. "As director of the center, I will work to explore creative approaches to the difficulties that families in poverty face every day."

Continued @ http://www.unc.edu/news/archives/feb05/edwards020405.ht...



A book from the Center on Poverty, Work, and Opportunity, John Edwards, founding director (and director until announcing his 08 candidacy), and editor of the book: Ending Poverty in America: How to Restore the American Dream: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


John Edwards, Cleaning Up in New Orleans: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=52...


Working w/UNITE HERE & SEIU: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2006/05/john_edwa...


College for Everyone: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


John Edwards on the ISSUES: http://johnedwards.com/about/issues /


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  -Look at his house!!! Look at his haircut!!! Why on earth would anyone support Edwards' candidacy??? Sapphire Blue  Apr-18-07 01:01 PM   #0 
  - They hate him for his wealth distribution ideas... n/t  Juniperx   Apr-18-07 01:07 PM   #1 
  - Bingo.  Octafish   Apr-18-07 10:25 PM   #92 
  - I'm all Edwards right now. more and more.  robinlynne   Apr-18-07 01:09 PM   #2 
  - Amen!  waiting for hope   Apr-18-07 01:09 PM   #3 
  - Facism is a type of Totalitarianism...  aljones   Apr-18-07 01:10 PM   #4 
  - He's got my primary vote but a $400 haircut is insane (though not news-worthy)... n/t  Flarney   Apr-18-07 01:12 PM   #5 
  - It is newsworthy  hnmnf   Apr-18-07 01:30 PM   #19 
     - Yeah, the $25 I gave him isn't much, but it's what I had left over after paying for MY haircut. n/t  Flarney   Apr-18-07 01:35 PM   #22 
     - Hillary Clinton's $1500 Haircuts, Expensed to the Campaign  w4rma   Apr-19-07 08:02 AM   #155 
        - Thank you! You need to post both of those articles as separate threads. PLEASE!  Sapphire Blue   Apr-19-07 08:50 AM   #158 
        - Thank you. I included links to seperate threads (not posted by me, however). (nt)  w4rma   Apr-19-07 08:54 AM   #160 
        - ***** KICK *****  Sapphire Blue   Apr-19-07 09:09 AM   #165 
  - Look at his support of the war! Look at him flip-flop on it!  Clark2008   Apr-18-07 01:13 PM   #6 
  - So you'd prefer a president who refuses to adapt when he's wrong?  ClassWarrior   Apr-18-07 01:23 PM   #13 
  - No - I'd prefer not to vote for another PHONY.  Clark2008   Apr-18-07 10:09 PM   #86 
  - Damn those flip-flopping Dems!!! They should all learn to just 'stay the course', just like gwb!!!!!  Sapphire Blue   Apr-18-07 01:32 PM   #21 
     - I will.  Clark2008   Apr-18-07 10:11 PM   #87 
     - They should have KNOWN not to start the course  JVS   Apr-18-07 10:19 PM   #90 
  - I'm not an Edwards fan, but this is the usual "gotcha" politics in "murka".  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-18-07 01:14 PM   #7 
  - Always Attack the Opponents STRENGTHS - we've got to learn this is Rove and  IndyOp   Apr-18-07 01:15 PM   #8 
  - good points! nt  Old and In the Way   Apr-18-07 01:16 PM   #10 
  - Exactly n/t  melody   Apr-18-07 01:19 PM   #12 
  - Ah, go after his hair! Brilliant  JVS   Apr-19-07 12:49 AM   #149 
  - I'd be proud to have John Edwards as my President.  Old and In the Way   Apr-18-07 01:15 PM   #9 
  - If Gore doesn't run, I'm backing Edwards 100%  melody   Apr-18-07 01:17 PM   #11 
  - I'm right beside you there  Horse with no Name   Apr-18-07 01:32 PM   #20 
  - Can you give me an example of where Mr. Edwards has effected any of these beliefs and aspirations  bigtree   Apr-18-07 01:24 PM   #14 
  - Examples...  Sapphire Blue   Apr-18-07 02:19 PM   #26 
  - thanks, Sapphire Blue  bigtree   Apr-18-07 02:54 PM   #41 
  - Hey skippy who do you support? Are you jealous?  GreenTea   Apr-18-07 03:00 PM   #44 
     - Did you mean to post this here? My name isn't "skippy". Jealous? Where did that come from?  Sapphire Blue   Apr-18-07 03:37 PM   #51 
  - Can you explain why Richardson sat on the boards of  merh   Apr-18-07 10:38 PM   #104 
  - The House will be the thing that does him in...  QuestionAll   Apr-18-07 01:24 PM   #15 
  - Yep republicans want Edwards out of the race and people are eating it up!!!  GreenTea   Apr-18-07 03:06 PM   #47 
  - Look at his abysmal foresight and direct action on Iraq and Patriot Act  AchtungToddler   Apr-18-07 01:25 PM   #16 
  - and B*sh shits in a gilded toilet! 24K!  npincus   Apr-18-07 01:26 PM   #17 
  - I'm interested in wresting control of the White House and the Supreme Court  Old Crusoe   Apr-18-07 01:27 PM   #18 
  - Hell, I easily spend $200 on a haircut  huskerlaw   Apr-18-07 02:12 PM   #23 
  - Edwards had to pay the stylist for travel expenses and time away from the shop  w4rma   Apr-18-07 02:13 PM   #24 
  - That's what I'm saying...  huskerlaw   Apr-18-07 02:16 PM   #25 
  - I have no problem with paying $400 to get Edwards to more campaign events in a day  w4rma   Apr-18-07 02:24 PM   #28 
  - Me either.  huskerlaw   Apr-18-07 02:27 PM   #32 
  - Must be rough.  Forkboy   Apr-18-07 02:26 PM   #31 
     - I'm sorry  huskerlaw   Apr-18-07 02:28 PM   #34 
        - You simply do not get it.  Forkboy   Apr-18-07 02:39 PM   #37 
           - No, I do.  huskerlaw   Apr-18-07 02:41 PM   #38 
              - Save it for your hairdresser.  Forkboy   Apr-18-07 02:47 PM   #40 
                 - Wow.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-18-07 04:34 PM   #66 
                 - Not jealous...disgusted.  Forkboy   Apr-18-07 04:43 PM   #71 
                 - LOL  JVS   Apr-19-07 12:22 AM   #141 
  - That's the problem...  MonkeyFunk   Apr-18-07 10:09 PM   #85 
     - Care to retract your comment now?  Sapphire Blue   Apr-19-07 11:30 AM   #175 
  - Sorry,this haircut thing IS an issue with me and I'll tell you why.  Forkboy   Apr-18-07 02:25 PM   #29 
  - Uh...  huskerlaw   Apr-18-07 02:33 PM   #35 
  - Right over your fucking head.  Forkboy   Apr-18-07 02:39 PM   #36 
  - Welcome to my ignore list.  huskerlaw   Apr-18-07 02:41 PM   #39 
     - lol  saigon68   Apr-18-07 03:00 PM   #45 
     - Glad to be there!  Forkboy   Apr-18-07 03:01 PM   #46 
  - Do  Big Pappa   Apr-18-07 11:50 PM   #132 
     - Not even the same thing  huskerlaw   Apr-19-07 12:04 AM   #135 
        - Husky  Big Pappa   Apr-19-07 12:07 AM   #136 
           - Do not call me "Husky"  huskerlaw   Apr-19-07 12:12 AM   #138 
              - I tell you what.  Big Pappa   Apr-19-07 12:16 AM   #139 
                 - Beverly Hills salons don't list prices.  huskerlaw   Apr-19-07 12:20 AM   #140 
                    - Yeah  Big Pappa   Apr-19-07 12:23 AM   #142 
                    - And another $100ish for the blow dry...  huskerlaw   Apr-19-07 12:27 AM   #143 
                       - Let me get this right.  Big Pappa   Apr-19-07 12:33 AM   #144 
                          - Yeah, actually, it is  huskerlaw   Apr-19-07 12:38 AM   #145 
                          - On that we can surely agree.  Big Pappa   Apr-19-07 12:39 AM   #146 
                          - I doubt most men would need "level 5" traetment...  JVS   Apr-19-07 12:40 AM   #147 
                             - Well  Big Pappa   Apr-19-07 01:18 AM   #150 
                    - Maybe gender based prices are illegal in your state.  Cobalt Violet   Apr-19-07 08:58 AM   #161 
  - No words to describe it  sandnsea   Apr-18-07 03:52 PM   #54 
  - THANK YOU!  Forkboy   Apr-18-07 04:53 PM   #74 
  - For me neither  Reterr   Apr-18-07 10:35 PM   #101 
  - Substance?  Midlodemocrat   Apr-18-07 10:30 PM   #95 
  - Very well said  Reterr   Apr-18-07 10:31 PM   #96 
  - Really?  Midlodemocrat   Apr-18-07 10:33 PM   #99 
     - Ok apologies  Reterr   Apr-18-07 10:42 PM   #107 
        - Peace to you as well,  Midlodemocrat   Apr-18-07 10:57 PM   #112 
           - Very cool  Reterr   Apr-18-07 11:08 PM   #118 
              - Believe me, it's more than okay.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-18-07 11:09 PM   #119 
  - That is a very powerful statement.  bling bling   Apr-19-07 12:47 AM   #148 
  - Well, to get my hair done is $250.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-18-07 04:33 PM   #65 
  - I still think it's ridiculous.  Forkboy   Apr-18-07 04:50 PM   #72 
     - What are my options?  Midlodemocrat   Apr-18-07 04:52 PM   #73 
        - I can't tell you options. I don't do hair.  Forkboy   Apr-18-07 05:09 PM   #75 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-07 05:50 PM   #76 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-07 10:04 PM   #82 
        - I HAVE to eat - consequently  sandnsea   Apr-18-07 07:58 PM   #78 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-07 10:03 PM   #81 
           - I thought maybe you were sick  sandnsea   Apr-18-07 10:30 PM   #94 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-07 10:31 PM   #97 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-07 10:34 PM   #100 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-07 10:17 PM   #88 
              - Isn't that what Rush says to poor people?  Forkboy   Apr-18-07 10:39 PM   #105 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-07 10:41 PM   #106 
  - Is eliminating poverty an important issue for you? It is for me. And it is for John Edwards.  Sapphire Blue   Apr-18-07 09:18 PM   #79 
  - I've read and recommended many of your threads.  Forkboy   Apr-18-07 09:47 PM   #80 
  - It's not about Edwards specifically  sandnsea   Apr-18-07 10:35 PM   #102 
     - Yes. People slamming Edwards. Poor people slamming rich people. Rich people slamming poor people.  Sapphire Blue   Apr-18-07 10:44 PM   #108 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-07 10:46 PM   #109 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-07 11:03 PM   #115 
              - That's really quite enough from you. Either be civil or get off this thread. Thank you.  Sapphire Blue   Apr-18-07 11:06 PM   #116 
                 - So, I should just  Midlodemocrat   Apr-18-07 11:08 PM   #117 
                    - You should be civil. btw, did you even read the OP?  Sapphire Blue   Apr-18-07 11:11 PM   #120 
                       - I did read the OP.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-18-07 11:14 PM   #121 
                          - I posted this thread. I have every right to request that a poster be civil when replying to it.  Sapphire Blue   Apr-18-07 11:20 PM   #123 
                             - Actually, no you don't.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-18-07 11:22 PM   #125 
                                - You really want to argue, don't you? I don't. If you reply further, please be civil. Thank you.  Sapphire Blue   Apr-18-07 11:26 PM   #126 
                                   - LOL. I am only pointing out the facts.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-18-07 11:28 PM   #127 
                                      - Since you were a mod for several terms, I shouldn't have to ask you to be civil in your replies.  Sapphire Blue   Apr-18-07 11:36 PM   #128 
                                         - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-07 11:39 PM   #129 
                                         - I don't see Midlo as being uncivil.  Puglover   Apr-19-07 08:26 AM   #156 
                                            - Take it up w/the mods, who've deleted many of her posts in this thread.  Sapphire Blue   Apr-19-07 08:51 AM   #159 
                                            - I'm taking it up with you.  Puglover   Apr-19-07 09:03 AM   #162 
                                            - So, telling someone to fuck themselves is okay w/you? It isn't w/me... or, apparently, the mods.  Sapphire Blue   Apr-19-07 09:08 AM   #164 
                                            - See, here's the deal.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-19-07 09:15 AM   #167 
                                            - Your insults are tiresome. Really. Here's something for you to read in regard to your philanthropy:  Sapphire Blue   Apr-19-07 10:19 AM   #170 
                                            - Yeah, that totally applies.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-19-07 11:05 AM   #174 
                                            - Yes, it most certainly does apply.  Sapphire Blue   Apr-19-07 01:26 PM   #178 
                                            - My sensibilities are not  Puglover   Apr-19-07 09:21 AM   #168 
                                            - And here's one for you:  Sapphire Blue   Apr-19-07 10:23 AM   #171 
                                            - Dude. C'mon $250 for a haircut?  Midlodemocrat   Apr-19-07 09:14 AM   #166 
  - Two years ago when living in California, ...  CRH   Apr-19-07 12:57 PM   #177 
     - ***** And now, for all the Edwards detractors, some ***** TRUTH ***** about the haircut... *****  Sapphire Blue   Apr-19-07 01:27 PM   #179 
  - Really?  sandnsea   Apr-18-07 03:44 PM   #53 
  - I live in Los Angeles  huskerlaw   Apr-18-07 03:58 PM   #58 
     - Yes, YOUR circle  sandnsea   Apr-18-07 04:28 PM   #61 
        - hahahahahaha  huskerlaw   Apr-18-07 04:29 PM   #62 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-18-07 04:32 PM   #64 
           - Honey, trust me.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-18-07 04:36 PM   #67 
              - Yeah, I'm not even touching that  huskerlaw   Apr-18-07 04:37 PM   #68 
                 - Been there, done that.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-18-07 04:39 PM   #69 
                    - It is, isn't it?  huskerlaw   Apr-18-07 04:41 PM   #70 
                    - I'd liberate my gray hair if I were you  Morgana LaFey   Apr-18-07 07:39 PM   #77 
                       - You're not me, thanks.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-18-07 10:05 PM   #83 
  - Female cut  Big Pappa   Apr-18-07 11:48 PM   #131 
  - The problem is with the fact that he used campaign funds to pay for his hair cut.  Sick_of_Rethuggery   Apr-18-07 02:21 PM   #27 
  - Because such is tax free, I agree that it is outrageous but welcome  AuntPatsy   Apr-18-07 02:26 PM   #30 
  - How many hairstyles or makeup sessions has Hillary payed for with CC?  jsamuel   Apr-18-07 02:27 PM   #33 
     - Here may be your answer:  NYCGirl   Apr-18-07 02:57 PM   #42 
        - no, it's here: Hillary charged $1500 haircut to her campaign and no one cared  jsamuel   Apr-19-07 08:32 AM   #157 
           - ***** THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS LINK! *****  Sapphire Blue   Apr-19-07 09:05 AM   #163 
           - Even fucking dumber than Edwards was then.  Forkboy   Apr-19-07 11:46 AM   #176 
  - Who do you support? And I'll look up shit on what & how much they spend on bullshit!!!!  GreenTea   Apr-18-07 02:58 PM   #43 
  - John Edwards. Please, by all means, "look up shit" or look at issues. I prefer issues.  Sapphire Blue   Apr-18-07 03:38 PM   #52 
  - Hypocrisy is never pretty  ConservativeDemocrat   Apr-18-07 03:07 PM   #48 
  - Yo Conservative...What do you suppose JFK paid for his house and his haircut?  GreenTea   Apr-18-07 03:08 PM   #50 
     - The disparity was not there  sandnsea   Apr-18-07 03:56 PM   #57 
     - We can continue & increase the disparity or we can aim for...  Sapphire Blue   Apr-18-07 10:31 PM   #98 
     - Don't know. Don't care.  ConservativeDemocrat   Apr-18-07 04:00 PM   #60 
  - K & R  Czolgosz   Apr-18-07 03:08 PM   #49 
  - The MSM and Republicans seem really down on hair cuts  kaygore   Apr-18-07 03:54 PM   #55 
  - Kicking, with love.  Bluebear   Apr-18-07 03:55 PM   #56 
  - The haircut thing reminds me too much of the Clinton smears (nt)  BluePatriot   Apr-18-07 03:58 PM   #59 
  - Good to see you SB!  JNelson6563   Apr-18-07 04:31 PM   #63 
  - Like NONE of the other candidates are rich. Wait, they ALL are? Sorry, never mind.  Redstone   Apr-18-07 10:07 PM   #84 
  - What the hell do you know? You live in a wealthy area of CT  Midlodemocrat   Apr-18-07 10:18 PM   #89 
  - Wow, a flaming hair war!  Alcibiades   Apr-18-07 10:23 PM   #91 
  - I know!!!! What's next do you suppose?  Midlodemocrat   Apr-18-07 10:28 PM   #93 
     - I heard that he actually PAYS to have his clothes cleaned and pressed!  Liberal Veteran   Apr-18-07 10:51 PM   #110 
        - You can afford to wash your clothes?  Alcibiades   Apr-18-07 10:55 PM   #111 
        - The bastard!!!!!  Midlodemocrat   Apr-18-07 10:58 PM   #113 
  - The more people dump on him...  InvisibleTouch   Apr-18-07 10:36 PM   #103 
  - Maybe he should just spit on his comb and style it himself Wolfowitz style?  Liberal Veteran   Apr-18-07 10:58 PM   #114 
  - Why the hell do you care? I'm sure he spends MILLIONS on  napi21   Apr-18-07 11:15 PM   #122 
  - I'm curious... Did you even bother to read the OP?  Sapphire Blue   Apr-18-07 11:22 PM   #124 
  - he didn't get his $400 haircut INSIDE  leftofthedial   Apr-18-07 11:42 PM   #130 
  - Wow, the rationalization in this thread is mind-boggling.  Matsubara   Apr-19-07 12:01 AM   #133 
  - What is it about legitimate campaign expense don't you get?  Cobalt Violet   Apr-19-07 10:26 AM   #172 
     - I've made my point and won't do so again.  Matsubara   Apr-19-07 07:26 PM   #180 
  - ...  nam78_two   Apr-19-07 12:02 AM   #134 
  - I have Excedrin headache #41807.  Sapphire Blue   Apr-19-07 12:10 AM   #137 
     - Here's a hug SB...  Catchawave   Apr-19-07 09:25 AM   #169 
        - Thank you!  Sapphire Blue   Apr-19-07 10:30 AM   #173 
  - Edwards is a good rich guy. The thugs know it and it scares the hell out of them.  TheGoldenRule   Apr-19-07 02:00 AM   #151 
  - SB ... This is for you!  Nutmegger   Apr-19-07 02:11 AM   #152 
  - Thank you! With that, I will now I will lay me down to sleep & pray the Lord all our souls to keep!  Sapphire Blue   Apr-19-07 02:36 AM   #153 
  - President Edwards is what the working class needs!! He'll win  B Calm   Apr-19-07 04:43 AM   #154 
  - Fuck The Poor Folk!! All we care about is the stopping the WAAAAARRRRRR!!  bobbolink   Apr-20-07 02:10 PM   #181 
  - WHERE'S THE HOUSE? i clicked on hoping to see a picture  orleans   Apr-20-07 02:15 PM   #182 
 

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