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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-01-09 10:46 AM
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11. They better find out, and
do something about it. If the aquifer system becomes too depleted, there is a point where it can't recover or it takes forever.

BTW crops are used as a way to exchange water between countries, and to try to maintain a global balance. Below is a summary of a paper about this method. The rest of the paper is worth reading too.

Many nations save domestic water resources by importing water-intensive products and exporting commodities that are less water intensive. National water saving through the import of a product can imply saving water at a global level if the flow is from sites with high to sites with low water productivity.

The report analyses the consequences of international virtual water flows on the global and national water budgets. The assessment shows that the total amount of water that would have been required in the importing countries if all imported agricultural products would have been produced domestically is 1605 Gm3/yr. These products are however being produced with only 1253 Gm3/yr in the exporting countries, saving global water resources by 352 Gm3/yr. This saving is 28 per cent of the international virtual water flows related to the trade of agricultural products and 6 per
cent of the global water use in agriculture.

National policy makers are however not interested in global water savings but in the status of national water resources. Egypt imports wheat and in doing so saves 3.6 Gm3/yr of its national water resources. Water use for producing export commodities can be beneficial, as for instance in Cote dIvoire, Ghana and Brazil, where the use of green water resources (mainly through rain-fed agriculture) for the production of stimulant crops for export has a positive economic impact on the national economy.

However, export of 28 Gm3/yr of national water from Thailand related to rice export is at the cost of additional pressure on its blue water resources. Importing a product which has a relatively high ratio of green to blue virtual water content saves global blue water resources that generally have a higher opportunity cost than green water.

Blue water is river discharge and groundwater.

Green water is water in the soil that stems directly from rainfall.
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  -Who is stealing California's water? ensho  Nov-01-09 10:18 AM   #0 
  - The "farmers"...  CanSocDem   Nov-01-09 10:27 AM   #1 
  - lol - but do you agree trouble is coming?  ensho   Nov-01-09 10:28 AM   #3 
  - Indeed.  CanSocDem   Nov-01-09 10:42 AM   #7 
  - Lettuce isn't even in the top 4 of water sucking crops  XemaSab   Nov-01-09 12:55 PM   #58 
     - You're right.  CanSocDem   Nov-01-09 04:33 PM   #73 
     - Rice on the other hand....  depakid   Nov-02-09 01:21 AM   #108 
  - I think it's Noah Cross. n/t  Ian David   Nov-01-09 10:27 AM   #2 
  - Funny how the thieves are wondering who is "stealing" from them  MadHound   Nov-01-09 10:32 AM   #4 
  - LOL beat me to it  proud2BlibKansan   Nov-01-09 10:33 AM   #5 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-01-09 12:24 PM   #51 
  - Regional chauvinism is ugly, and hardly progressive.  Flaneur   Nov-01-09 12:56 PM   #59 
  - i didn't settle in a dry area  CreekDog   Nov-01-09 06:58 PM   #84 
  - you're in f***** Kansas lecturing me?  CreekDog   Nov-01-09 07:01 PM   #85 
  - WHAT'S THAT?! I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE HOWLING WINDS OF THE DUST BOWL OF 1935-1940...!!  DRoseDARs   Nov-01-09 08:02 PM   #88 
  - Cool, I'll be sure to remember that  comrade snarky   Nov-01-09 08:57 PM   #89 
  - Wow!  Le Taz Hot   Nov-02-09 05:14 AM   #111 
  - Do you know what you are talking about?  itsrobert   Nov-01-09 10:42 AM   #8 
  - ++1  underseasurveyor   Nov-01-09 10:47 AM   #12 
  - At least we fly over country folks are smart enough to live in a place where we have rivers  proud2BlibKansan   Nov-01-09 10:47 AM   #13 
  - And sometimes those rivers are above your houses  itsrobert   Nov-01-09 10:52 AM   #20 
  - Most people in floodplains can't get federal flood insurance  proud2BlibKansan   Nov-01-09 10:55 AM   #22 
     - North of you?  itsrobert   Nov-01-09 10:58 AM   #26 
        - Last time I checked the Dakotas weren't in the Midwest or in Canada  proud2BlibKansan   Nov-01-09 12:54 PM   #57 
           - A midwest geography lesson for you  itsrobert   Nov-01-09 01:16 PM   #64 
              - I live in the midwest  proud2BlibKansan   Nov-01-09 03:55 PM   #71 
  - Guess I shouldn't feel too bad  underseasurveyor   Nov-01-09 11:45 AM   #44 
  - You're right, there are no rivers in California  XemaSab   Nov-01-09 12:59 PM   #61 
  - Factual info re: CA's water resources is readily available. For ex:  Garbo 2004   Nov-01-09 05:00 PM   #76 
  - Wasn't Kansas part of the dustbowl? (nt)  Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin   Nov-01-09 06:52 PM   #82 
  - then why do you need subsidies?  CreekDog   Nov-01-09 07:04 PM   #86 
  - Isn't that nice  blue_onyx   Nov-01-09 11:01 AM   #27 
  - They reap what they sow  itsrobert   Nov-01-09 11:04 AM   #31 
  - So you throw around more unjustified attacks?  blue_onyx   Nov-01-09 11:13 AM   #35 
  - Telling the truth is an unjustified attack?  proud2BlibKansan   Nov-01-09 12:56 PM   #60 
     - you are telling falsehoods  CreekDog   Nov-01-09 09:26 PM   #92 
  - Most of us didn't "choose" to live in California --we were born here  CreekDog   Nov-01-09 09:24 PM   #90 
     - You may want to re-read my comment  blue_onyx   Nov-01-09 10:22 PM   #100 
        - then reread my comment  CreekDog   Nov-01-09 10:53 PM   #101 
           - Seriously?  blue_onyx   Nov-01-09 11:03 PM   #102 
  - Not just an attack.  Enthusiast   Nov-01-09 11:33 AM   #40 
  - Nore does it run into California.  Thothmes   Nov-01-09 07:12 PM   #87 
     - That's true if you ignore than 100 miles it runs through California  CreekDog   Nov-01-09 09:27 PM   #93 
        - The Colorado River does not run "throught" California  Thothmes   Nov-02-09 05:10 AM   #110 
           - it goes through California, half that river is in California  CreekDog   Nov-02-09 08:21 AM   #112 
  - The Colorado river does not nor was it ever intended to supply water to the Midwest,  amandabeech   Nov-01-09 12:53 PM   #56 
  - Water supplies will get tighter  Warpy   Nov-01-09 10:39 AM   #6 
  - Yo! Water problems are happening across the US.  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-01-09 11:01 AM   #29 
  - No shit  Warpy   Nov-01-09 12:30 PM   #52 
  - They're also fighting over the Chatahoochie River  GoCubsGo   Nov-01-09 01:41 PM   #68 
  - delete  Xithras   Nov-01-09 11:26 AM   #37 
  - California's runoff comes from the Sierras  KamaAina   Nov-01-09 11:37 AM   #42 
  - Um, the Colorado originates in the Rockies  Warpy   Nov-01-09 12:18 PM   #48 
     - It's mostly the San Diego area that does  KamaAina   Nov-01-09 04:51 PM   #74 
     - Yes, California gets water from the Colorado, which runs through California  CreekDog   Nov-01-09 09:29 PM   #94 
  - i think we (CAlifornians) get most of our water from the colorado river.  robinlynne   Nov-01-09 12:46 PM   #55 
  - California's water system delivers 40,000,000 acre-feet a year  XemaSab   Nov-01-09 03:04 PM   #70 
  - No, most of the state's water comes from CA and specifically, NorCal. nt  Garbo 2004   Nov-01-09 04:54 PM   #75 
  - Wrong. Most of our water does not come from the Colorado  CreekDog   Nov-01-09 09:30 PM   #95 
  - Ohh, time for Nuclear Power & Desalination Plants!  shintao   Nov-01-09 09:46 PM   #97 
  - One thing this thread has taught me ....  Trajan   Nov-01-09 10:45 AM   #9 
  - just the opposite....  mike_c   Nov-01-09 10:49 AM   #15 
  - No it's not about hating California  proud2BlibKansan   Nov-01-09 10:50 AM   #17 
     - And I just called out your hypocrisy  itsrobert   Nov-01-09 10:55 AM   #21 
     - And you are wrong  proud2BlibKansan   Nov-01-09 10:56 AM   #23 
     - You're wrong!  itsrobert   Nov-01-09 10:57 AM   #24 
     - The feds have been in charge of California's water for at least 80 years  XemaSab   Nov-01-09 01:10 PM   #63 
     - yes, about calling out hypocrisy of some schmoe from Kansas  CreekDog   Nov-01-09 09:31 PM   #96 
  - pot, meet kettle....  mike_c   Nov-01-09 10:45 AM   #10 
  - They better find out, and  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-01-09 10:46 AM   #11 
  - very interesting, thanks  ensho   Nov-01-09 10:49 AM   #16 
  - Interesting article, thanks  XemaSab   Nov-01-09 01:08 PM   #62 
  - Cool post!!  shintao   Nov-01-09 09:55 PM   #98 
  - California's government makes PA's government look responsible  AllentownJake   Nov-01-09 10:48 AM   #14 
  - who owns Pa. water? is it as complicated as Calif.?  ensho   Nov-01-09 10:52 AM   #19 
     - The Northeast doesn't have as many dry areas  AllentownJake   Nov-01-09 11:03 AM   #30 
  - Hey, the clouds dropped it on my land this past summer  pipi_k   Nov-01-09 10:50 AM   #18 
  - LOL  underseasurveyor   Nov-01-09 12:09 PM   #47 
  - There is virtually unlimited water in CA  Statistical   Nov-01-09 10:58 AM   #25 
  - won't ten years be too late?  ensho   Nov-01-09 11:01 AM   #28 
  - About 10 years ago....  CanSocDem   Nov-01-09 11:06 AM   #32 
  - Why were all the bottles labled with "Labatts" and "Molsens"?  TankLV   Nov-01-09 12:32 PM   #53 
     - No.  CanSocDem   Nov-01-09 04:27 PM   #72 
  - No because I think it will take a true crisis before anything changes.  Statistical   Nov-01-09 11:09 AM   #34 
  - The plants also create other problems.  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-01-09 11:08 AM   #33 
  - Some people here sure like bashing California...  hayu_lol   Nov-01-09 11:21 AM   #36 
     - I wasn't trying to bash CA.  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-01-09 11:29 AM   #39 
        - Grits, I wasn't pointing anyone out...  hayu_lol   Nov-01-09 11:40 AM   #43 
           - For the last few years many more people have left CA  Bluenorthwest   Nov-01-09 12:22 PM   #49 
           - Kansas doesn't have huge amounts of water.  amandabeech   Nov-01-09 01:32 PM   #65 
  - Only if you use non-carbon forms of energy to run the desal. plants  NickB79   Nov-01-09 06:42 PM   #79 
  - Groundwater will not, and cannot, be regulated.  Xithras   Nov-01-09 11:29 AM   #38 
  - It can be regulated.  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-01-09 11:34 AM   #41 
     - Perhaps for the larger wells...  Xithras   Nov-01-09 11:45 AM   #45 
  - Dr. Gleick is bringing this up at the right time, there are going to be changes one way or the other  bridgit   Nov-01-09 11:59 AM   #46 
  - K & R--and for those who don't care because it's CA, WATER is the next big thing  Nikki Stone1   Nov-01-09 12:22 PM   #50 
  - And I was always told by Northern Californians that it was the Southern  Cleita   Nov-01-09 12:36 PM   #54 
  - How much is enough??  shintao   Nov-01-09 10:05 PM   #99 
     - Most of the water you get is flowing from the Sierras.  Cleita   Nov-02-09 12:47 AM   #104 
  - Sitting here in the rust belt surrounded by fresh water  cmd   Nov-01-09 01:33 PM   #66 
  - You are very kind  underseasurveyor   Nov-01-09 01:38 PM   #67 
  - The Great Lakes area has its own problems.  Are_grits_groceries   Nov-01-09 02:25 PM   #69 
  - Yes!  ellie   Nov-01-09 05:08 PM   #77 
     - The Maumee has the largest watershed by area  Mendocino   Nov-01-09 09:25 PM   #91 
  - Psst. There's an Ocean of water there. Literally.  boppers   Nov-01-09 05:23 PM   #78 
  - Psst. It's salt water.  KamaAina   Nov-01-09 06:48 PM   #80 
     - Whhaaa. De-salination is HARD!  boppers   Nov-02-09 01:12 AM   #107 
  - Let me see if I've got this straight. Ahh-nuld threatened to veto every single legislative bill  KamaAina   Nov-01-09 06:50 PM   #81 
  - Southern Californians!  LeftyMom   Nov-01-09 06:58 PM   #83 
  - A lot of that water from the Sierras is diverted south, true.  Cleita   Nov-02-09 12:52 AM   #106 
     - "benefiting no one" = keeping salt water from destroying delta farmland, sustaining species  LeftyMom   Nov-02-09 12:35 PM   #113 
        - The environment is irrelevant, donchaknow.  Xithras   Nov-02-09 12:42 PM   #114 
  - Same people that are stealing from the Great Lakes, I suspect.  glinda   Nov-01-09 11:05 PM   #103 
  - on a related note...  shanti   Nov-02-09 12:52 AM   #105 
  - Colorado, of course!  elleng   Nov-02-09 01:39 AM   #109 

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