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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-02-09 10:06 PM
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90. She goes into the "create your own reality" scenario
...which usually does afflict people into doing things that ultimately harm others, because of a narrower and narrower worldview. People who are powerful and rich become the naked king of that old fairy tale. Nobody will tell them the truth anymore, because they will fire anyone who gives them bad news. How many generals went through the Pentagon when Bush was in office before they found a yes man who would tell him what he wanted to hear?

Kind of like that Twilight Zone kid who killed everybody who didn't say or do "good things".
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  -What's wrong with positive thinking? lwcon  Oct-31-09 12:52 AM   #0 
  - Nothing unless it is carried too far. Sometimes reality must set in.  madfloridian   Oct-31-09 12:57 AM   #1 
  - I have a weird preference...  lwcon   Oct-31-09 01:02 AM   #2 
  - I just finished that book. What's wrong is a lot of things.  Touchdown   Oct-31-09 01:08 AM   #3 
  - I will have to read it. Did it discuss loss of empathy as one of the results?  Go2Peace   Nov-01-09 01:07 AM   #47 
     - She goes into the "create your own reality" scenario  Touchdown   Nov-02-09 10:06 PM   #90 
  - Join the discussion...  Touchdown   Oct-31-09 01:10 AM   #4 
  - I agree 99%, except there really are some hopelessly negative people out there to avoid.  Alexander   Oct-31-09 01:13 AM   #5 
  - Those people are worry warts. Still I would want my airline pilot to worry a little.  Touchdown   Oct-31-09 01:22 AM   #6 
  - I agree, but I also wouldn't want a depressed addict flying the plane who suggests we might crash.  Alexander   Oct-31-09 01:28 AM   #7 
  - Positiveness, even in highly irrational forms, is culturally supported  lwcon   Oct-31-09 01:34 AM   #9 
  - The book is for you then.  Touchdown   Oct-31-09 01:34 AM   #10 
     - Not really. I already agree with the premise, as I've said.  Alexander   Oct-31-09 01:37 AM   #13 
     - And she calls for a healthy balance in the whole spectrum of human emotions.  Touchdown   Oct-31-09 01:46 AM   #16 
     - That pilot is sure he can navigate through that storm instead of heading to safety  lwcon   Oct-31-09 01:46 AM   #17 
  - I'll take a pessimist like Capt. Sullenberger anytime. nt  conscious evolution   Nov-01-09 08:21 PM   #67 
  - You didn't read the article.  Luminous Animal   Oct-31-09 01:39 AM   #14 
     - Actually I did, and I was relating it to my own experiences.  Alexander   Oct-31-09 01:45 AM   #15 
  - People with depression often have a difficult time thinking positively.  Quantess   Oct-31-09 01:28 AM   #8 
  - Exactly.  Alexander   Oct-31-09 01:34 AM   #11 
  - The delusionally positive usually falls into depression harder than a realist though.  Touchdown   Oct-31-09 01:37 AM   #12 
  - Let's be fair  lwcon   Oct-31-09 01:52 AM   #18 
  - Those people are in denial, which is totally different  alliswellandsoitis   Oct-31-09 02:40 PM   #37 
  - No, it's exactly the same. Denial is exactly what the book and article are about.  Touchdown   Nov-01-09 08:13 PM   #64 
  - I rarely see the 'delusionally positive' get depressed though  HughMoran   Oct-31-09 03:10 PM   #43 
  - +1  wroberts189   Oct-31-09 03:06 AM   #22 
  - Not really true. When depressed people do their own job evaluations,  eridani   Oct-31-09 03:12 AM   #23 
  - +1 - There are some people propagating innacurate stereotypes of those with Mental Health issues  Go2Peace   Nov-01-09 01:02 AM   #44 
  - no way  treestar   Nov-01-09 08:07 PM   #61 
  - Your anecdotal reference does not make it "not really true".  Quantess   Nov-01-09 01:05 AM   #46 
  - Wow, and your references are? That was terrible stereotyping and innacurate  Go2Peace   Nov-01-09 01:03 AM   #45 
  - What was your point, again?  Quantess   Nov-01-09 02:08 AM   #52 
  - Yes, I do have a source. Still looking for it.  eridani   Nov-01-09 01:41 AM   #50 
  - Well, I think it sounds about right that if you ask someone with Depression  Quantess   Nov-03-09 01:46 AM   #93 
  - i gave you a reference, without comment. you responded with gratuitous rudeness.  Hannah Bell   Nov-03-09 06:47 AM   #98 
  - Exactly! Good post.  Odin2005   Nov-02-09 08:00 AM   #72 
  - Depressive realism  Hannah Bell   Nov-03-09 02:56 AM   #94 
     - I knew there was a good reason  Quantess   Nov-03-09 03:20 AM   #95 
        - rude biddy, aren't you?  Hannah Bell   Nov-03-09 06:42 AM   #97 
  - Ignorance is bliss.  avaistheone1   Oct-31-09 02:00 AM   #19 
  - Carolyn Burnham: The quintessential positive thinker.  Touchdown   Oct-31-09 02:07 AM   #20 
  - global warming and peak oil  Extend a Hand   Oct-31-09 02:15 AM   #21 
  - Nothing is wrong with positive thinking.  pipoman   Oct-31-09 05:42 AM   #24 
  - "Nothing is wrong with positive thinking"  lwcon   Oct-31-09 07:34 AM   #25 
  - Our dept. chair was deeply into only seeing the good.  Igel   Oct-31-09 12:55 PM   #32 
  - "Fixing the problems? That would require *admitting* the problems."  lwcon   Oct-31-09 01:52 PM   #34 
  - There is a difference between  pipoman   Nov-01-09 05:36 AM   #56 
  - Again, this isn't about what you think positive thinking is.  Touchdown   Nov-01-09 08:18 PM   #66 
     - This may be the motivation of some of the  pipoman   Nov-02-09 07:17 AM   #70 
        - Ehrenreich had some choice words about Hill, and they weren't glowing.  Touchdown   Nov-02-09 03:37 PM   #80 
           - I disagree  pipoman   Nov-02-09 07:48 PM   #82 
              - I can see that.  Touchdown   Nov-02-09 09:38 PM   #87 
  - positive thinking doesn't mean no problems  treestar   Nov-01-09 08:09 PM   #62 
  - That is amusing and disturbing at the same time.  Odin2005   Nov-02-09 08:03 AM   #73 
     - To me, it was so familiar that I thought he was describing MY grad dept at first.  gkhouston   Nov-02-09 09:53 AM   #78 
  - This isn't about what PT is to you. It's about a Billion$ industry to get us to accept  Touchdown   Nov-01-09 08:10 PM   #63 
  - Pessimists never get nasty surprises..  Fumesucker   Oct-31-09 07:39 AM   #26 
  - On my, and Sarah Vowell's, failure of pessimism  lwcon   Oct-31-09 07:44 AM   #28 
  - Eh, I can safely say that not a fucking thing the bushies did surprised me..  Fumesucker   Oct-31-09 08:02 AM   #29 
     - Our bad, for sure  lwcon   Oct-31-09 01:50 PM   #33 
        - No, you don't suck..  Fumesucker   Oct-31-09 02:22 PM   #35 
           - Any club where I'm the sunny optimist is...  lwcon   Oct-31-09 02:47 PM   #40 
  - I used to have a couple of books by Robert J. Ringer...  Buns_of_Fire   Oct-31-09 10:27 AM   #31 
  - Try the Release Technique  kimmerspixelated   Nov-02-09 04:18 PM   #81 
  - I think cancer is a rather nasty surprise, don't you?  alliswellandsoitis   Oct-31-09 02:40 PM   #38 
     - Cancer is a blessing to the positive thinker. It's an opportunity to take stock in your happiness.  Touchdown   Nov-01-09 08:03 PM   #60 
  - It has replaced religion as the opiate of the masses  AllentownJake   Oct-31-09 07:41 AM   #27 
  - +1,000 n/t  tonysam   Nov-02-09 09:35 AM   #76 
  - .  snagglepuss   Oct-31-09 09:21 AM   #30 
  - Nothing is wrong with it...In fact, the truth is that we can alter  alliswellandsoitis   Oct-31-09 02:39 PM   #36 
  - "Nothing is wrong with it" again  lwcon   Oct-31-09 02:46 PM   #39 
  - Someone who tends to think postively doesn't necessarily not face the reality of life  Beaverhausen   Oct-31-09 03:03 PM   #42 
     - Right. It means you feel confident you can handle things  treestar   Nov-01-09 08:13 PM   #65 
  - Sorry, that's not the proper opinion for this thread.  mwb970   Nov-01-09 04:57 AM   #53 
  - That is so fucking wrong it's not even funny.  Touchdown   Nov-01-09 08:26 PM   #68 
  - hey Touchdown  Skittles   Nov-02-09 08:24 PM   #85 
     - There are those who purge "negative people" from their lives...  Touchdown   Nov-02-09 09:58 PM   #88 
  - Thinking you can "alter reality by how you view things" is FUCKING INSANITY!  Odin2005   Nov-02-09 08:07 AM   #74 
  - There is plenty wrong with it  tonysam   Nov-02-09 09:36 AM   #77 
  - Um, no. Mr. Gravity wins every time. But thanks for playing. n/t  gkhouston   Nov-02-09 09:53 AM   #79 
  - Are you on drugs? n/t  Raineyb   Nov-02-09 10:05 PM   #89 
  - Always tell people the market will do just fine,  Deja Q   Oct-31-09 02:50 PM   #41 
  - i just bought the book last night after seeing the author  jonnyblitz   Nov-01-09 01:14 AM   #48 
  - what?  HotJohnee   Nov-01-09 01:34 AM   #49 
  - Like anything can go too far.  Desertrose   Nov-01-09 01:49 AM   #51 
  - The problem is "positive thinking" is often a screen for insidious social themes.  TexasObserver   Nov-01-09 05:19 AM   #54 
  - From Calvinism and the doctrine of "Predestination" and "The Elect".  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-02-09 11:30 PM   #91 
     - Furthermore, I have trouble with authoritarians.  Manifestor_of_Light   Nov-02-09 11:39 PM   #92 
  - gloom and doom, cupcake. that is the du way. we don't cotton to positive anything here...  1   Nov-01-09 05:19 AM   #55 
  - Is not!  pipoman   Nov-01-09 05:45 AM   #57 
  - I always liked the BoyScouts pessimistic attitude  conscious evolution   Nov-01-09 05:50 AM   #58 
  - Hey...  Dorian Gray   Nov-01-09 05:52 AM   #59 
  - When you wish upon a star...  sendero   Nov-01-09 08:38 PM   #69 
  - Optimism is one thing. Pathologically "sunny" thinking is something else.  Odin2005   Nov-02-09 07:55 AM   #71 
  - Like hell they don't  pipoman   Nov-02-09 08:17 PM   #84 
  - Some really good responses on this thread. Some of the responses, however, not so good IMO,  raccoon   Nov-02-09 08:34 AM   #75 
  - I think many responses in this thread  pipoman   Nov-02-09 08:11 PM   #83 
     - And what did the author do if not an independant study?  Touchdown   Nov-02-09 09:26 PM   #86 
  - What's wrong with positive thinking?  harry.hamlin   Nov-03-09 04:20 AM   #96 

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