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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 04:53 PM
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8. I'm against it too, but...
like a couple of posters here, there are some times when I just cannot work up any sympathy/empathy at all for the accused.

Sometimes I wonder if I'm against the death penalty because I have the luxury of being against it, and I shudder, because I don't ever want to find out how I'd feel if anyone I cared about were murdered at all, let alone in such a brutal way. It makes me sad to think that I might be brought to such a state that I would work with every breath I had in me to see that the perpetrators of such horrors died...and in the most painful way possible...although that's not an option. But that's not to say I wouldn't wish for it.
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  -Yes, I'm against the death penalty even for this freak but cali  Oct-30-09 04:22 PM   #0 
  - A woman from the DA's office fainted while the pics of injuries were shown...  Gwendolyn   Oct-30-09 04:29 PM   #1 
  - It's my understanding that the young man was also brutally raped, tortured  cali   Oct-30-09 04:33 PM   #2 
     - Yes -- at the nearby railroad tracks  Ruby the Liberal   Oct-30-09 04:49 PM   #7 
     - Yes, I know. His murder was so brutal and horrific as well.  Gwendolyn   Oct-30-09 05:13 PM   #18 
     - Raped with a broken wooden chair leg. Sick &$#*^  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-30-09 08:47 PM   #46 
     - Oh, and then they took turns pissing on her while she was dying  XanaDUer   Oct-31-09 11:33 AM   #103 
        - That hasn't been brought up at either trial.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-31-09 12:22 PM   #107 
           - I googled this case and that was in some of the articles  XanaDUer   Oct-31-09 12:51 PM   #110 
              - They didn't cut off his penis. There was false reports that they also cut off her breasts.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-31-09 12:53 PM   #111 
                 - Ah.  XanaDUer   Oct-31-09 12:58 PM   #115 
                    - They did plenty that was just as bad. I was hoping they would all get the death penalty.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-31-09 01:01 PM   #116 
                       - Cobbins asked for protective custody in prison  XanaDUer   Oct-31-09 01:14 PM   #117 
                          - Poor little guy is scared.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-31-09 02:28 PM   #124 
                          - It would be hard for me not to seek retribution if that was my family  Pavulon   Oct-31-09 03:22 PM   #127 
                          - A newsroom co-worker said rapists aren't exactly welcomed in prison.  Sheltiemama   Nov-02-09 05:57 PM   #142 
     - No other animal but the human behaves like this.  MoonRiver   Oct-31-09 02:14 PM   #122 
  - After reading this post I might volunteer to flip the switch.  Vinca   Oct-30-09 04:37 PM   #3 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-30-09 04:41 PM   #4 
  - It will be several years before he is  JonLP24   Oct-30-09 04:44 PM   #5 
  - This was a HORRIFIC story of unimaginable torture  Ruby the Liberal   Oct-30-09 04:47 PM   #6 
  - I'm against it too, but...  pipi_k   Oct-30-09 04:53 PM   #8 
  - totally against the death penalty  noiretextatique   Oct-30-09 04:53 PM   #9 
  - Waiting for the first post about how the victims were out "looking for drugs"  ProudToBeBlueInRhody   Oct-30-09 04:54 PM   #10 
  - The defense suggested that.  Sheltiemama   Oct-30-09 07:43 PM   #36 
  - Photo of the victims  Ruby the Liberal   Oct-30-09 04:55 PM   #11 
  - They earned a place in Heaven, since their last hours on Earth were Hell  liberaltrucker   Oct-30-09 05:05 PM   #15 
  - I don't want the government killing these kinds of people  Whisp   Oct-30-09 04:55 PM   #12 
  - Hear, hear  liberaltrucker   Oct-30-09 05:03 PM   #14 
  - I'm good with that..........  Burma Jones   Oct-30-09 05:38 PM   #22 
  - I'm not one to think every life is precious.  Whisp   Oct-30-09 06:02 PM   #27 
  - I don't think you're an animal for feeling that way...  pipi_k   Oct-30-09 05:44 PM   #24 
  - I wish I could rec your post.  liquid diamond   Oct-30-09 11:08 PM   #55 
  - I'll help  backwoodsbob   Oct-31-09 12:32 PM   #109 
  - I'm against the DP in principal  liberaltrucker   Oct-30-09 04:58 PM   #13 
  - Yes, we use lethal injection here.  Sheltiemama   Oct-30-09 07:46 PM   #37 
  - I have a solution  shintao   Oct-30-09 05:07 PM   #16 
  - ugh. thanks for illustrating why the DP should be abolished.  cali   Oct-30-09 05:11 PM   #17 
  - Yes--to torture because others torture is wrong.  Berry Cool   Oct-30-09 05:36 PM   #20 
  - That makes you their moral equivalent .  bvar22   Oct-30-09 07:27 PM   #34 
     - huh? Someone says something with which you disagree  cali   Oct-31-09 09:09 AM   # 
     - Poor Cali.  bvar22   Oct-31-09 12:23 PM   #108 
        - Yes. I read it, poor little bvar. That poster's expressions  cali   Oct-31-09 03:28 PM   #128 
     - The concept of Justice  shintao   Oct-31-09 04:23 PM   #130 
  - This was the case that the stormfront brigade is going apeshit over.  superduperfarleft   Oct-30-09 05:36 PM   #19 
  - That's one difference between SF and DU  liberaltrucker   Oct-30-09 06:00 PM   #25 
  - How was this not national news?  Ruby the Liberal   Oct-30-09 07:46 PM   #38 
  - There was little or no national coverage.  R. P. McMurphy   Oct-30-09 09:26 PM   #47 
     - I'm surprised by lack of coverage. I'm in Canada and never heard of the  snagglepuss   Oct-30-09 09:52 PM   #49 
        - Snopes addressed the lack of coverage.  R. P. McMurphy   Oct-30-09 10:00 PM   #50 
        - I think the details may have been too gruesome.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-30-09 10:38 PM   #53 
        - In many ways I would rather have not heard of this despicable crime.  snagglepuss   Oct-30-09 11:04 PM   #54 
        - The snopes link:  superduperfarleft   Oct-31-09 09:22 AM   #62 
        - If the races had been reversed it would have had national coverage.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-01-09 10:56 PM   #138 
           - And there would have been widespread outrage on DU for not calling it a hate crime  slackmaster   Nov-02-09 08:14 AM   #141 
        - I don't remember Nancy Grace covering it.  Sheltiemama   Nov-02-09 06:03 PM   #144 
        - Coverage here in Knoxville, of course, has been extensive.  Sheltiemama   Nov-02-09 06:01 PM   #143 
  - "Euthanized"  GoCubsGo   Oct-30-09 07:56 PM   #41 
  - I believe it was a hate crime  slackmaster   Oct-31-09 09:09 AM   #60 
     - How exactly do you think this constitutes a hate crime?  superduperfarleft   Oct-31-09 09:18 AM   #61 
     - Because I believe the victims were targeted because of their race  slackmaster   Oct-31-09 09:27 AM   #63 
     - If black people were raping and murdering white people all over the place  superduperfarleft   Oct-31-09 09:33 AM   #66 
     - Are Jews cowering in fear everywhere because Buford Furrow shot up a daycare?  slackmaster   Oct-31-09 09:36 AM   #68 
     - No, but it's just one more example that Jews use to fear violence against them  superduperfarleft   Oct-31-09 09:39 AM   #72 
        - The children were targeted BECAUSE THEY WERE JEWS  slackmaster   Oct-31-09 09:45 AM   #76 
           - Wait, I'm confused, I thought it was because they were white?  superduperfarleft   Oct-31-09 09:55 AM   #82 
              - How on Earth could this not be hate crime?  slackmaster   Oct-31-09 01:57 PM   #119 
     - Show me where in the law there is such a qualification for a hate crime.  Dreamer Tatum   Oct-31-09 09:58 AM   #85 
        - Show me in the law where this would constitute a hate crime?  superduperfarleft   Oct-31-09 10:01 AM   #88 
        - What hinges on this being a hate crime? Is there an extra-special death penalty I don't know about?  Dreamer Tatum   Oct-31-09 10:11 AM   #92 
           - Wow. Um, okay.  superduperfarleft   Oct-31-09 10:54 AM   #99 
        - So you think something has to be prosecuted as a hate crime to be a hate crime? Strange.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-01-09 05:44 PM   #136 
     - Carjacking was Davidson's profession. He was desperate for money that night.  Gwendolyn   Oct-31-09 09:44 AM   #74 
     - Nice rationalization  slackmaster   Oct-31-09 09:46 AM   #77 
     - Well, you tell me then.  Gwendolyn   Oct-31-09 09:54 AM   #81 
        - It's moot. Dude got the DP. nt  Dreamer Tatum   Oct-31-09 09:59 AM   #86 
        - Wasn't asking you, thanks. n/t  Gwendolyn   Oct-31-09 10:00 AM   #87 
           - Oh, forgot this was your private board nt  Dreamer Tatum   Oct-31-09 10:03 AM   #90 
              - No it isn't.  Gwendolyn   Oct-31-09 10:09 AM   #91 
        - How could it possibly NOT be a hate crime?  slackmaster   Oct-31-09 01:56 PM   #118 
           - Excellent answer. It's clear you don't understand what constitutes "hate crime." n/t  Gwendolyn   Oct-31-09 02:08 PM   #120 
     - You have no idea whether race was involved. Stop pretending. nt  Dreamer Tatum   Oct-31-09 09:53 AM   #79 
        - There's no evidence that they were driving around looking for white people to kill.  Gwendolyn   Oct-31-09 09:57 AM   #84 
           - Well, there you have it: if that's all they wanted, why'd they kill, and  Dreamer Tatum   Oct-31-09 10:01 AM   #89 
           - I gave those answers in my post #99.  Gwendolyn   Oct-31-09 10:13 AM   #93 
              - Wait. You're willing to entertain that he did it specifically to a WHITE WOMAN, but  Dreamer Tatum   Oct-31-09 10:15 AM   #94 
                 - No,"women" as a persecuted group are not covered under hate crime legislation..  Gwendolyn   Oct-31-09 10:34 AM   #97 
                    - Whew! Good to know that pouring bleach down her throat wasn't hate-motivated!  Dreamer Tatum   Oct-31-09 10:46 AM   #98 
                       - Lol, you just can't win for trying.  Gwendolyn   Oct-31-09 10:57 AM   #100 
                          - It really just means that for you, hate crimes are more heinous than capital murder  Dreamer Tatum   Oct-31-09 11:02 AM   #101 
                             - That's not what I"m saying at all. It appears you're just looking for reasons to argue.  Gwendolyn   Oct-31-09 11:12 AM   #102 
           - Actually one of the witnesses testified that Boyd hated white people.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-31-09 12:56 PM   #113 
              - It's possible of course Dave. I lean more toward generalized hatred of women.  Gwendolyn   Oct-31-09 02:13 PM   #121 
                 - I don't think it could be prosecuted as a hate crime.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-31-09 02:23 PM   #123 
                    - I think FMD pegged it  slackmaster   Nov-01-09 09:22 AM   #132 
                    - It would be impossible to do what was done to these kids without a degree of hate.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-01-09 05:37 PM   #135 
                    - I guess it didn't really occur to me to view the crime that way.  Gwendolyn   Nov-01-09 06:00 PM   #137 
                       - I hope they manage to convict Boyd of more than the carjacking.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-01-09 11:18 PM   #139 
     - What leads you to conclude the victims were targeted due to race?  LanternWaste   Nov-02-09 07:06 PM   #147 
     - Although I don't believe there was any evidence  cali   Oct-31-09 09:33 AM   #65 
     - You're right, cali, most DUers are complete and utter morons.  superduperfarleft   Oct-31-09 09:35 AM   #67 
     - care to address my point? no, I though not, honey.  cali   Oct-31-09 09:37 AM   #69 
        - What point, that DUers are morons and we should all be eternally grateful  superduperfarleft   Oct-31-09 09:40 AM   #73 
           - Of course I said nothing of the sort, dear, but do continue making shit  cali   Oct-31-09 09:49 AM   #78 
              - What making shit up like "most DUers would" like you're some kind of fortune-teller?  superduperfarleft   Oct-31-09 09:54 AM   #80 
     - Actually some testimony in the last trial pointed to it.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-31-09 12:57 PM   #114 
     - Do you have anything to back up your claim that that is an element of hate crimes? nt.  Hosnon   Oct-31-09 10:27 AM   #96 
     - The prosecution disagreed.  cali   Oct-31-09 09:31 AM   #64 
     - Because they are chickenshit assholes  slackmaster   Oct-31-09 09:37 AM   #70 
        - maybe. and maybe it was simply a hideous opportunistic crime  cali   Oct-31-09 09:39 AM   #71 
           - Maybe they tortured, mutilated, raped, and murdered those people out of intellectual curiousity  slackmaster   Oct-31-09 09:44 AM   #75 
     - I agree with you, slackmaster. If these horrendously evil crimes had been committed upon  bertman   Oct-31-09 03:03 PM   #125 
        - I suspect you are right about that. The murder of James Byrd Jr. received national attention.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-01-09 11:25 PM   #140 
  - I'd be OK with life in solitary without parole for Davidson  Burma Jones   Oct-30-09 05:37 PM   #21 
  - I firmly believe in the death sentence, I just have reservations with it. Goodbye and good riddance.  cecilfirefox   Oct-30-09 05:39 PM   #23 
  - I'm against the death penalty but sympathy has absolutely nothing to do with it  lunatica   Oct-30-09 06:01 PM   #26 
  - There are cases to be made against the death penalty...  burning rain   Oct-30-09 06:40 PM   #29 
     - Isn't it heinous to kill someone who is defenseless? Premeditated?  Liberation Angel   Oct-30-09 07:15 PM   #33 
     - I agree  thesquanderer   Oct-30-09 08:04 PM   #43 
  - I'm only for the death penalty in cases of  Confusious   Oct-30-09 06:28 PM   #28 
  - This is why I'm pro-DP.  proteus_lives   Oct-30-09 06:59 PM   #30 
  - It's great to see some liberals support the death penalty.  liquid diamond   Oct-30-09 11:12 PM   #56 
  - Not death where incarceration and questioning are possible.  Festivito   Oct-30-09 07:03 PM   #31 
  - Our tax dollars pay for assassination via drones every day  Liberation Angel   Oct-30-09 07:11 PM   #32 
  - Not wrong in this case.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-30-09 10:36 PM   #52 
  - I live in Knoxville.  Sheltiemama   Oct-30-09 07:34 PM   #35 
  - I am sorry you had to see all of this first hand.  Ruby the Liberal   Oct-30-09 07:47 PM   #39 
     - I'm glad I didn't have to sit in the courtroom.  Sheltiemama   Oct-30-09 07:52 PM   #40 
        - Still, this has to be dominating local news.  Ruby the Liberal   Oct-30-09 07:58 PM   #42 
        - Oh, absolutely.  Sheltiemama   Oct-30-09 09:39 PM   #48 
           - My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims families.  snagglepuss   Oct-30-09 10:19 PM   #51 
        - Those members of the public are the ones most likely to be imitators n/t  eridani   Oct-31-09 05:06 AM   #57 
  - God...knowing that people are capable of shit like this upsets me so much.  Danger Mouse   Oct-30-09 08:12 PM   #44 
  - Glad to see a just sentence in this case.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Oct-30-09 08:43 PM   #45 
  - And there is today's "I don't know what the fuck is wrong with people" thread.  Warren DeMontague   Oct-31-09 05:17 AM   #58 
  - I am against the DP as well  quaker bill   Oct-31-09 06:12 AM   #59 
  - I would be happy to shoot Davidson in the face repeatedly.  texasleo   Oct-31-09 09:55 AM   #83 
  - I would be happy to hold your drink while you did it. nt  Dreamer Tatum   Oct-31-09 10:18 AM   #95 
  - But, ...  KingBob   Oct-31-09 12:15 PM   #104 
  - Cases like this make me wish I am wrong about the existence of god  JonQ   Oct-31-09 12:17 PM   #105 
  - I'm also a bit surpised that this was never posited as a hate crime  JonQ   Oct-31-09 12:20 PM   #106 
  - Perfectly Fine To Execute This Piece Of Shit. It's Just A Shame The Methods Are So Humane.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Oct-31-09 12:55 PM   #112 
  - instead of the death penalty  francolettieri   Oct-31-09 03:12 PM   #126 
  - Usually, sociopaths are not that altruistic  XanaDUer   Oct-31-09 03:40 PM   #129 
  - Kick  Little Star   Oct-31-09 06:40 PM   #131 
  - Kick  XanaDUer   Nov-01-09 12:37 PM   #133 
  - The problem is that he's a precedent.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-01-09 12:42 PM   #134 
     - I actually do know the details.  Sheltiemama   Nov-02-09 06:10 PM   #145 
        - You are correct.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Nov-02-09 07:02 PM   #146 
 

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