PurityOfEssence
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Fri Oct-30-09 10:50 PM
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| 55. Johnson was a very complex man; he deserves better than simplistic dismissal |
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It definitely sounds like he was scared. He was probably feeling guilty for being a Texan at this point, especially since Dallas was considered a "hostile" city and Kennedy had been warned against going there. He also probably felt the conflicted anguish that decent people feel when close associates that they don't particularly like meet an unjust fate.
Johnson was a very big man in every way, and his failings and greatness exemplify humanity itself. This is a man who was ham-fisted to get his way and still wanting to bridge divides. THIS was the man who gave civil rights to blacks, and he did it by force of will against much of his own power base because he felt it was right. This man fought for the poor. He was also very insecure and too good at getting his way for his own good.
These flashes of insight simply make him more interesting to me, and I see him as a bit of a bumpkin who got farther than he ever expected, for both good and bad. There was greatness in that man, and only those with a grudge or an inability to embrace complexity and paradox won't see it if they look a wee bit.
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| -Kennedy Assassination: Johnson Was Sitting In The Private Bathroom Of AF1 Crying His Eyes Out |
Me. |
Oct-30-09 12:18 PM |
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Well, I don't know but I've always heard that Johnson kept the plane waiting because he had |
WI_DEM |
Oct-30-09 12:24 PM |
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Legally, Johnson didn't need to be sworn in; he was already President- |
LeftinOH |
Oct-30-09 12:33 PM |
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Who are "they" and what was their plot? That's what I want to know. nt |
anonymous171 |
Oct-30-09 12:27 PM |
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Just about everyone had it in for JFK |
david_vincent |
Oct-30-09 12:34 PM |
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the people who celebrated then |
drmeow |
Oct-30-09 12:49 PM |
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"If Jesus were around today, they'd assassinate him, too" |
demodonkey |
Oct-30-09 01:18 PM |
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As Dick Gregory used to say, if Jesus came back today people |
Solomon |
Oct-30-09 02:31 PM |
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"Jesus Christ was a man that traveled through this land . . . |
Strelnikov_ |
Oct-31-09 01:07 AM |
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The 'Holy Grail' Of Questions |
Me. |
Oct-30-09 12:35 PM |
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Right - Who Was Johnson Referring To - What Did He Know - Who Was He Afraid Of?....... |
global1 |
Oct-30-09 12:38 PM |
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Jackie Kennedy Might've Known The Answer |
Me. |
Oct-30-09 12:52 PM |
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What Is IIRC And Now That Jackie Is Dead What Stands In The Way Of Revealing This Info?...... |
global1 |
Oct-30-09 12:57 PM |
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IIRC = If I recall correctly |
peace frog |
Oct-30-09 01:14 PM |
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If I Remember Correctly |
Me. |
Oct-30-09 01:30 PM |
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I Doubt Caroline Would Interfere With Her Mother's Wishes |
Me. |
Oct-30-09 02:33 PM |
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That's so sweet. So the rest of us can keep living under the spook junta. Thanks, Caroline! |
JackRiddler |
Oct-30-09 08:16 PM |
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A) we don't know if Caroline knows anything - Jackie may have protected her by not telling her |
dflprincess |
Oct-30-09 10:33 PM |
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the international banking families |
27inCali |
Oct-30-09 01:12 PM |
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And when he was shot John Connelly screamed |
dflprincess |
Oct-30-09 10:31 PM |
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Recall that Dallas was full of the wildest anti-JFK sentiment & propaganda... |
burning rain |
Oct-31-09 12:59 AM |
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Is it true that President Kennedy was in the process of making 2 moves, by Executive Order,I believe |
patrice |
Oct-30-09 12:47 PM |
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The first one would be Executive Order 11110 |
anonymous171 |
Oct-30-09 12:51 PM |
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That executive order |
AllentownJake |
Oct-30-09 01:29 PM |
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My mother still has some silver certificates |
notadmblnd |
Oct-31-09 04:51 AM |
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It may have been investigated as early as 1964.... |
AntiFascist |
Oct-30-09 01:26 PM |
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Read "Barry & theBoys" by Daniel Hopsicker. n/t |
truth2power |
Oct-30-09 01:59 PM |
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Well there is one person who was alive that day who doesn't remember where he was. |
Catshrink |
Oct-30-09 02:52 PM |
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Yes - veddy, veddy interesting, eh? |
kath |
Oct-30-09 11:04 PM |
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and who were "all of us"? |
Matariki |
Oct-30-09 08:06 PM |
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Rent "Executive Action" - you can get if from Netflix |
dflprincess |
Oct-30-09 10:49 PM |
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Obviously Johnson was wrong. Oswald's killing spree ended |
Blue For You |
Oct-30-09 12:46 PM |
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Obviously you think you know better than Johnson |
DJ13 |
Oct-30-09 12:51 PM |
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Obviously, the word, has a flair for the dramatic. |
Festivito |
Oct-30-09 01:56 PM |
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Johnson claimed, "they're going to get us all". So, how did that turn out? |
Blue For You |
Oct-30-09 02:44 PM |
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MLK for one. And, you were pushing the lone nut case. |
Festivito |
Oct-30-09 04:04 PM |
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you seem to forget Robert Kennedy. Weird. |
KittyWampus |
Oct-31-09 09:50 AM |
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Actually the second House Committee on Assassinations concluded it was not |
avaistheone1 |
Oct-30-09 02:16 PM |
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"Likely" sounds too much like "woulda, coulda, shoulda" to me. |
Blue For You |
Oct-30-09 02:57 PM |
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Yes that is your take, and not the take of the Congressional Committee and the experts that were |
avaistheone1 |
Oct-30-09 03:05 PM |
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On your mentioning, "likely assassinated as a result |
Blue For You |
Oct-30-09 05:59 PM |
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That is hardly a case of "woulda, coulda, shoulda", and undermines |
avaistheone1 |
Oct-30-09 06:12 PM |
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The committee never got past "likely conspiracy" because it was |
dflprincess |
Oct-30-09 10:38 PM |
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avaistheone1 |
Oct-30-09 02:16 PM |
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avaistheone1 |
Oct-30-09 02:16 PM |
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Thanks for that amazing story! nt |
HamdenRice |
Oct-30-09 12:50 PM |
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Doesn't square with the strong-arm Johnson lauded for getting the |
treestar |
Oct-30-09 01:00 PM |
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Yes he was a wuss |
AllentownJake |
Oct-30-09 01:31 PM |
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Emotion is a sign of strength |
Bluenorthwest |
Oct-30-09 06:13 PM |
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This story describes it in such a way that it makes him look weak |
treestar |
Oct-30-09 06:28 PM |
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Weeping with fear for his own hide |
peace frog |
Oct-30-09 01:20 PM |
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Johnson may not have liked Kennedy, but he did not have him killed. |
anonymous171 |
Oct-30-09 01:26 PM |
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Read much? |
peace frog |
Oct-30-09 01:37 PM |
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Oh crap my bad |
anonymous171 |
Oct-30-09 01:43 PM |
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Apology accepted |
peace frog |
Oct-30-09 01:44 PM |
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Johnson was a very complex man; he deserves better than simplistic dismissal |
PurityOfEssence |
Oct-30-09 10:50 PM |
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I'll agree there were |
peace frog |
Oct-30-09 11:06 PM |
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No denying that, but context is everything |
PurityOfEssence |
Oct-31-09 12:16 AM |
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I think we know |
peace frog |
Oct-31-09 02:55 AM |
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l Contempt: Lyndon Johnson, Robert Kennedy, and the Feud that Defined a Decade |
Octafish |
Oct-30-09 02:13 PM |
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Do You Have Anything On The Jackie Story I Related Above? |
Me. |
Oct-30-09 02:26 PM |
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You might be interested in this... |
AntiFascist |
Oct-30-09 02:38 PM |
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Diabolical |
Me. |
Oct-30-09 02:48 PM |
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Night Before Halloween |
Me. |
Oct-30-09 07:59 PM |
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Not until 2054... |
Octafish |
Oct-30-09 11:38 PM |
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This Is Stunningly Fascinating |
Me. |
Oct-31-09 12:10 AM |
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I miss those times |
upi402 |
Oct-31-09 01:17 AM |
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! |
Me. |
Oct-31-09 09:43 AM |
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k&r |
Liberation Angel |
Oct-31-09 10:10 AM |
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k*r This was his moment of truth |
autorank |
Oct-31-09 08:40 PM |
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Nice To See You On This Spookiest O' Nights |
Me. |
Oct-31-09 10:36 PM |
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Nice night! |
autorank |
Nov-01-09 11:54 PM |
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