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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-30-09 10:50 PM
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55. Johnson was a very complex man; he deserves better than simplistic dismissal
It definitely sounds like he was scared. He was probably feeling guilty for being a Texan at this point, especially since Dallas was considered a "hostile" city and Kennedy had been warned against going there. He also probably felt the conflicted anguish that decent people feel when close associates that they don't particularly like meet an unjust fate.

Johnson was a very big man in every way, and his failings and greatness exemplify humanity itself. This is a man who was ham-fisted to get his way and still wanting to bridge divides. THIS was the man who gave civil rights to blacks, and he did it by force of will against much of his own power base because he felt it was right. This man fought for the poor. He was also very insecure and too good at getting his way for his own good.

These flashes of insight simply make him more interesting to me, and I see him as a bit of a bumpkin who got farther than he ever expected, for both good and bad. There was greatness in that man, and only those with a grudge or an inability to embrace complexity and paradox won't see it if they look a wee bit.
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     - IIRC = If I recall correctly  peace frog   Oct-30-09 01:14 PM   #17 
     - If I Remember Correctly  Me.   Oct-30-09 01:30 PM   #23 
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  - the international banking families  27inCali   Oct-30-09 01:12 PM   #16 
  - And when he was shot John Connelly screamed  dflprincess   Oct-30-09 10:31 PM   #51 
     - Recall that Dallas was full of the wildest anti-JFK sentiment & propaganda...  burning rain   Oct-31-09 12:59 AM   #61 
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  - The first one would be Executive Order 11110  anonymous171   Oct-30-09 12:51 PM   #12 
     - That executive order  AllentownJake   Oct-30-09 01:29 PM   #22 
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  - Obviously you think you know better than Johnson  DJ13   Oct-30-09 12:51 PM   #11 
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  - "Likely" sounds too much like "woulda, coulda, shoulda" to me.  Blue For You   Oct-30-09 02:57 PM   #41 
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        - On your mentioning, "likely assassinated as a result  Blue For You   Oct-30-09 05:59 PM   #44 
           - That is hardly a case of "woulda, coulda, shoulda", and undermines  avaistheone1   Oct-30-09 06:12 PM   #45 
           - The committee never got past "likely conspiracy" because it was  dflprincess   Oct-30-09 10:38 PM   #53 
  - -  avaistheone1   Oct-30-09 02:16 PM   #32 
  - -  avaistheone1   Oct-30-09 02:16 PM   #33 
  - Thanks for that amazing story! nt  HamdenRice   Oct-30-09 12:50 PM   #10 
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  - Emotion is a sign of strength  Bluenorthwest   Oct-30-09 06:13 PM   #46 
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  - Weeping with fear for his own hide  peace frog   Oct-30-09 01:20 PM   #19 
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  - Read much?  peace frog   Oct-30-09 01:37 PM   #25 
     - Oh crap my bad  anonymous171   Oct-30-09 01:43 PM   #26 
        - Apology accepted  peace frog   Oct-30-09 01:44 PM   #27 
  - Johnson was a very complex man; he deserves better than simplistic dismissal  PurityOfEssence   Oct-30-09 10:50 PM   #55 
     - I'll agree there were  peace frog   Oct-30-09 11:06 PM   #57 
        - No denying that, but context is everything  PurityOfEssence   Oct-31-09 12:16 AM   #60 
           - I think we know  peace frog   Oct-31-09 02:55 AM   #64 
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