calimary
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Thu Oct-29-09 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #6 |
| 22. So do I. Same thing with Alan Grayson. |
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If he's okay with it, then I guess I can be, too.
FOR STARTERS, anyway. This is just the opening round. We're just getting started on this road to real reform. But we need to get started and this is a start, at least. And yes I know I'm writing this basically attempting to convince myself. I DO look at who else is for it and that makes a difference. Those two men have a lot of credibility with me. If they're talking, I'm going to listen and pay attention.
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 Dr. Dean: "Both the House bills and the Senate bills are GOOD and I'd vote for |
pnwmom |
Oct-29-09 08:16 PM |
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He also said it wasn't the kind of reform he would love, but... |
polichick |
Oct-29-09 08:17 PM |
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Right. nt |
pnwmom |
Oct-29-09 08:18 PM |
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I was glad to hear it because I tend to trust Dean. nt |
polichick |
Oct-29-09 08:20 PM |
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He's made a practice of speaking his mind. He's not a typical politician and |
pnwmom |
Oct-29-09 08:27 PM |
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So do I. Same thing with Alan Grayson. |
calimary |
Oct-29-09 08:28 PM |
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I heard Grayson tonight too - yes, that was a comfort. nt |
polichick |
Oct-29-09 08:30 PM |
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Ditto. |
mzmolly |
Oct-29-09 09:05 PM |
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I have been saying all along I would wait until I saw the final bill |
GreenPartyVoter |
Oct-29-09 10:05 PM |
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I tend to trust Dr. Dean and Paul Krugman |
WhaTHellsgoingonhere |
Oct-30-09 01:06 AM |
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Krugman is back to shilling for Hillary's plan n/t |
eridani |
Oct-30-09 01:53 AM |
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Oooh that's gotta sting. |
tridim |
Oct-29-09 08:18 PM |
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But, but, but.... |
FrenchieCat |
Oct-29-09 08:19 PM |
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FrenchieCat, I have at least one relative |
pnwmom |
Oct-29-09 08:21 PM |
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Reasonable people can disagree. |
bobbolink |
Oct-29-09 08:28 PM |
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Reasonable people don't act like if they don't get everything they want, |
FrenchieCat |
Oct-29-09 08:32 PM |
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I replied just to watch you condemn anyone who has a different opinion. |
bobbolink |
Oct-29-09 08:51 PM |
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I'm not the only "right" person in the room, but I'm one of many who has an opinion, |
FrenchieCat |
Oct-29-09 09:06 PM |
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You're going downhill..... you can flame better than that. |
bobbolink |
Oct-29-09 09:10 PM |
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Superior is relative....So like superior to what? |
FrenchieCat |
Oct-29-09 09:18 PM |
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hehehehe.... you call names, you castigate, you barge into forums not your own and attack... |
bobbolink |
Oct-29-09 09:21 PM |
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Good Job. +1 for the "set up". |
bvar22 |
Oct-29-09 09:25 PM |
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Oooh....pile on! |
FrenchieCat |
Oct-29-09 09:31 PM |
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Thanks. I think. |
bobbolink |
Oct-29-09 09:38 PM |
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You bullied me within this thread, |
FrenchieCat |
Oct-29-09 09:48 PM |
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BWHAHAHAHA!!! You really got the projection thing down really gooooood. |
bobbolink |
Oct-29-09 10:28 PM |
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Which Forums do I post at which are Not my Forums according to you? |
FrenchieCat |
Oct-29-09 10:56 PM |
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Baiting me to try to get me to break rules? You KNOW the answer... you had |
bobbolink |
Oct-29-09 11:02 PM |
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Gee, so sorry. I thought you made the rules....considering |
FrenchieCat |
Oct-29-09 11:21 PM |
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Are you trying to be a model of decorum for "progressives" to follow? |
bobbolink |
Oct-30-09 09:57 PM |
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Now bobo, put down that reflex hammer, |
Jakes Progress |
Oct-29-09 11:50 PM |
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What forums are "Not my own", I ask you, obvious superior person of authority |
FrenchieCat |
Oct-29-09 09:30 PM |
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Shit, I'm waiting for an answer too! |
Number23 |
Oct-30-09 02:12 AM |
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i think the's insinuating obama supporters aren't allowed in General discussion, and only belong in |
dionysus |
Oct-30-09 12:27 PM |
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you're not part of their club unless you hate obama and most democrats, i suppose. |
dionysus |
Oct-30-09 12:26 PM |
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"The difference is, you flame more than just about anybody, and do it with a sneer." Frenchie? |
dionysus |
Oct-30-09 12:25 PM |
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Anything that strips me of most of my discretionary income is not "reasonable" n/t |
eridani |
Oct-30-09 01:54 AM |
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+1,000,000,000,000,000 |
redqueen |
Oct-30-09 12:17 PM |
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+1 Frenchie, + Fucking 1 |
berni_mccoy |
Oct-30-09 01:37 AM |
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It isn't Medicare for some either. If is massive theft at gunpoint for those of midest means n/t |
eridani |
Oct-30-09 01:54 AM |
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he is wrong |
optimator |
Oct-29-09 08:19 PM |
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His counts more than others...... |
FrenchieCat |
Oct-29-09 08:20 PM |
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His is an educated opinion from one of the most forthright politicians in |
pnwmom |
Oct-29-09 08:22 PM |
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+1, as they say on the internet |
emulatorloo |
Oct-29-09 08:31 PM |
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Yes, I love and respect the good doctor |
goclark |
Oct-29-09 10:32 PM |
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Most of us want HCR, others want Utopia NOW.. |
tridim |
Oct-29-09 08:23 PM |
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That about sums it up. n/t |
pnwmom |
Oct-29-09 08:25 PM |
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reminds me of selfish spoiled children..... |
FrenchieCat |
Oct-29-09 08:25 PM |
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Funny how I keep agreeing with the same posters over and over. |
Cant trust em |
Oct-29-09 08:27 PM |
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Utopia..... No, |
bvar22 |
Oct-29-09 09:31 PM |
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Yea, here's a tip |
tridim |
Oct-29-09 09:34 PM |
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Name removed |
Oct-29-09 09:38 PM |
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If your ass fucking is the lifesaver for millions of others...... |
FrenchieCat |
Oct-29-09 09:52 PM |
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b-bu buh buh, you have blood on your hands!!11!!1 *stroke*, *collapse*. |
dionysus |
Oct-30-09 12:32 PM |
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what are you 12? cut the melodrama. because your impossible single payer won't happen, |
dionysus |
Oct-30-09 12:31 PM |
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We don't want outright theft and highway robbery n/t |
eridani |
Oct-30-09 01:55 AM |
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That's what it seems like, yes. (nt) |
redqueen |
Oct-30-09 12:21 PM |
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The key words are "This isn't the kind of reform I'd love." |
Ardent15 |
Oct-29-09 08:20 PM |
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Wrong...... |
FrenchieCat |
Oct-29-09 08:23 PM |
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We'll see. |
Ardent15 |
Oct-29-09 08:26 PM |
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It's not a question of hope, it is a question of fact....... |
FrenchieCat |
Oct-29-09 08:31 PM |
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So you are a grown up because you have that opinion and others have another? |
DireStrike |
Oct-29-09 11:11 PM |
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No, the key word is "BUT." Although he had supported another kind of reform, |
pnwmom |
Oct-29-09 08:24 PM |
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That was my hope too. Start from universal single payer and wind up at |
GreenPartyVoter |
Oct-29-09 10:03 PM |
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Watch it Dean, |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Oct-29-09 08:25 PM |
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I was relieved to hear his thoughts.... |
OneGrassRoot |
Oct-29-09 08:26 PM |
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LOL! |
nightrain |
Oct-29-09 08:27 PM |
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I see Boehner is bitching about the bill and how evil the Democrats are. So I guess it can't be all |
emulatorloo |
Oct-29-09 08:32 PM |
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You don't get everything you want |
Thrill |
Oct-29-09 08:36 PM |
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Even Dr. Dean gets it wrong once a decade or so. |
Sebastian Doyle |
Oct-29-09 08:38 PM |
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Are we better off without the bill? If you have good health insurance through work - maybe |
stray cat |
Oct-29-09 08:56 PM |
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Perhaps you should look in the mirror and then say what you have posted here..... |
FrenchieCat |
Oct-29-09 09:12 PM |
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Rewarding the corrupt criminal bastard insurance industry with millions of new customers |
Sebastian Doyle |
Oct-29-09 09:18 PM |
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Can you give me facts instead of name calling.......? |
FrenchieCat |
Oct-29-09 09:20 PM |
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The facts are obvious...... |
Sebastian Doyle |
Oct-29-09 09:31 PM |
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I'm glad to hear your opinion...... |
FrenchieCat |
Oct-29-09 09:34 PM |
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+10! |
kath |
Oct-30-09 12:29 PM |
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Explain to the uninsurables who will benefit from this bill why they should have |
pnwmom |
Oct-30-09 12:52 AM |
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What makes you think uninsurables will benefit? |
eridani |
Oct-30-09 01:56 AM |
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No, the bills say the insurance companies won't be able to set premiums |
pnwmom |
Oct-30-09 02:25 AM |
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Well, fuck you very much from those of us over 60 but not eligible for Medicare n/t |
eridani |
Oct-30-09 02:29 AM |
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You don't get it. I'm in my 50's so I'm not far from that situation myself. |
pnwmom |
Oct-30-09 02:37 AM |
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They are still allowed to set the premiums |
eridani |
Oct-30-09 05:05 AM |
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Age rating is anyone over 50 and they can charge 4 times the amount... |
slipslidingaway |
Oct-30-09 12:12 PM |
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Our foot is in the door... |
GreenTea |
Oct-29-09 09:02 PM |
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KNR |
mzmolly |
Oct-29-09 09:05 PM |
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I disagree with Dr. Dean..I would rather see no healthcare reform at all than |
INdemo |
Oct-29-09 09:14 PM |
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You must not have a child who is uninsurable. Lucky you, |
pnwmom |
Oct-30-09 12:53 AM |
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Now you get insurance at the cost of nearly 100% of your discretionary income n/t |
eridani |
Oct-30-09 01:57 AM |
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The plans don't allow insurers to charge premiums based on the kinds of |
pnwmom |
Oct-30-09 02:31 AM |
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Isn't that just special. Unfortunately, the plans DO allow them to charge anything they |
eridani |
Oct-30-09 05:21 AM |
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My point is we can do much better so |
INdemo |
Oct-30-09 08:40 AM |
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Howard Dean's word is good too, in my book. Intelligence, common sense, & political savvy.... |
Hekate |
Oct-29-09 09:20 PM |
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Dr. Dean is correct and am glad he said it. n/t |
Kind of Blue |
Oct-29-09 09:24 PM |
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He was correct a week ago. This week he's full of shit |
eridani |
Oct-30-09 05:23 AM |
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yeah, what's up with that? |
kath |
Oct-30-09 12:32 PM |
#113 |
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He's being a good team player. |
Laelth |
Oct-29-09 09:26 PM |
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Yeah, I think you are right. |
DireStrike |
Oct-29-09 11:16 PM |
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I hear you, and I hope you're right. |
Laelth |
Oct-29-09 11:39 PM |
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As Far as the 2010 Election, |
On the Road |
Oct-30-09 01:38 AM |
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^^ this |
d_b |
Oct-30-09 12:15 AM |
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That's not Dr. Dean's MO. He's a forthright person, not known at all |
pnwmom |
Oct-30-09 12:55 AM |
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Unfortunately his team sucks. |
kenny blankenship |
Oct-30-09 12:23 PM |
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Right you are, Ken. |
DireStrike |
Oct-30-09 07:21 PM |
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Dean seemed more interested in |
jtrockville |
Oct-29-09 10:01 PM |
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Both maintaining a majority and getting something effective passed are important |
Ardent15 |
Oct-29-09 10:04 PM |
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Noticed that as well :( n/t |
slipslidingaway |
Oct-30-09 12:15 AM |
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It strikes me as odd that someone would find Dean's caring about keeping a Dem majority as odd |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-30-09 05:57 AM |
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If the topic were strategy, the comment would have been appropriate. |
jtrockville |
Oct-30-09 01:50 PM |
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maybe it's because if we win the 2010 elections we can implement more policy than if we lose. |
dionysus |
Oct-30-09 12:28 PM |
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Doubtful. Particularly if we elect more dems like Baucus. |
jtrockville |
Oct-30-09 01:48 PM |
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there's the paradox... people like that asshat get elected because they're in red states. |
dionysus |
Oct-30-09 02:04 PM |
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Yes, a paradox: asshat or conservative. |
jtrockville |
Oct-30-09 03:42 PM |
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I can't think of any conservative that actually loves the country |
DireStrike |
Oct-30-09 07:24 PM |
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Slim pickins for sure, but Chuck Hagel comes to mind. |
jtrockville |
Oct-31-09 12:45 AM |
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I trust Howard Dean. I had been depressed today, if he says the bills are okay I'll take his word. |
Diane R |
Oct-29-09 10:27 PM |
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First time I'm disagreeing with Dean. |
DireStrike |
Oct-29-09 11:08 PM |
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I Swear My First Thought Regarding Dr. Dean's Interview was "Wonder How DU Will React?" |
PopSixSquish |
Oct-29-09 11:24 PM |
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Thank goodness that is no longer my first thought....... |
FrenchieCat |
Oct-29-09 11:39 PM |
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I disagree, Dean said only 5-10 million will be in the public option, also ... |
slipslidingaway |
Oct-30-09 12:12 AM |
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You disagree with what? That he said today the words I quoted him as saying? |
pnwmom |
Oct-30-09 01:35 AM |
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It appears the meaning of "real reform" has changed significantly... |
slipslidingaway |
Oct-30-09 11:24 AM |
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Very interesting how much that definition has changed... |
kath |
Oct-30-09 12:36 PM |
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Yes it is :( n/t |
slipslidingaway |
Oct-30-09 02:05 PM |
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Dean said that about biotech patents? |
DireStrike |
Oct-30-09 07:28 PM |
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Here is the article Dean wrote for The Hilll ... |
slipslidingaway |
Nov-01-09 01:49 AM |
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"this is pretty good stuff and it really will make a difference" |
redqueen |
Oct-30-09 12:16 PM |
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yeah, this is the same Dr Dean who was instrumental in getting "biologicals" |
nightrain |
Oct-30-09 06:53 PM |
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I have to ask this |
ampad |
Nov-01-09 01:05 AM |
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