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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 07:19 PM
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4. But, but, but....
Edited on Thu Oct-29-09 07:21 PM by FrenchieCat
I thought we were supposed to say "Fuck this shit!" and wait for another 50 years,
and add more deaths to the tally while waiting and complaining!

I though folks like me (self employed)
who will benefit from the public option don't count for anything

.....and as long as it ain't Medicare for all, it ain't progress! :shrug:

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  -Dr. Dean: "Both the House bills and the Senate bills are GOOD and I'd vote for pnwmom  Oct-29-09 07:16 PM   #0 
  - He also said it wasn't the kind of reform he would love, but...  polichick   Oct-29-09 07:17 PM   #1 
  - Right. nt  pnwmom   Oct-29-09 07:18 PM   #2 
     - I was glad to hear it because I tend to trust Dean. nt  polichick   Oct-29-09 07:20 PM   #6 
        - He's made a practice of speaking his mind. He's not a typical politician and  pnwmom   Oct-29-09 07:27 PM   #20 
        - So do I. Same thing with Alan Grayson.  calimary   Oct-29-09 07:28 PM   #22 
        - I heard Grayson tonight too - yes, that was a comfort. nt  polichick   Oct-29-09 07:30 PM   #24 
        - Ditto.  mzmolly   Oct-29-09 08:05 PM   #35 
        - I have been saying all along I would wait until I saw the final bill  GreenPartyVoter   Oct-29-09 09:05 PM   #61 
        - I tend to trust Dr. Dean and Paul Krugman  WhaTHellsgoingonhere   Oct-30-09 12:06 AM   #81 
           - Krugman is back to shilling for Hillary's plan n/t  eridani   Oct-30-09 12:53 AM   #85 
  - Oooh that's gotta sting.  tridim   Oct-29-09 07:18 PM   #3 
  - But, but, but....  FrenchieCat   Oct-29-09 07:19 PM   #4 
  - FrenchieCat, I have at least one relative  pnwmom   Oct-29-09 07:21 PM   #9 
  - Reasonable people can disagree.  bobbolink   Oct-29-09 07:28 PM   #23 
  - Reasonable people don't act like if they don't get everything they want,  FrenchieCat   Oct-29-09 07:32 PM   #27 
     - I replied just to watch you condemn anyone who has a different opinion.  bobbolink   Oct-29-09 07:51 PM   #31 
     - I'm not the only "right" person in the room, but I'm one of many who has an opinion,  FrenchieCat   Oct-29-09 08:06 PM   #36 
        - You're going downhill..... you can flame better than that.  bobbolink   Oct-29-09 08:10 PM   #37 
           - Superior is relative....So like superior to what?  FrenchieCat   Oct-29-09 08:18 PM   #40 
           - hehehehe.... you call names, you castigate, you barge into forums not your own and attack...  bobbolink   Oct-29-09 08:21 PM   #44 
              - Good Job. +1 for the "set up".  bvar22   Oct-29-09 08:25 PM   #46 
              - Oooh....pile on!  FrenchieCat   Oct-29-09 08:31 PM   #50 
              - Thanks. I think.  bobbolink   Oct-29-09 08:38 PM   #54 
                 - You bullied me within this thread,  FrenchieCat   Oct-29-09 08:48 PM   #56 
                 - BWHAHAHAHA!!! You really got the projection thing down really gooooood.  bobbolink   Oct-29-09 09:28 PM   #63 
                    - Which Forums do I post at which are Not my Forums according to you?  FrenchieCat   Oct-29-09 09:56 PM   #65 
                       - Baiting me to try to get me to break rules? You KNOW the answer... you had  bobbolink   Oct-29-09 10:02 PM   #66 
                          - Gee, so sorry. I thought you made the rules....considering  FrenchieCat   Oct-29-09 10:21 PM   #70 
                             - Are you trying to be a model of decorum for "progressives" to follow?  bobbolink   Oct-30-09 08:57 PM   #125 
                 - Now bobo, put down that reflex hammer,  Jakes Progress   Oct-29-09 10:50 PM   #74 
              - What forums are "Not my own", I ask you, obvious superior person of authority  FrenchieCat   Oct-29-09 08:30 PM   #48 
                 - Shit, I'm waiting for an answer too!  Number23   Oct-30-09 01:12 AM   #91 
                 - i think the's insinuating obama supporters aren't allowed in General discussion, and only belong in  dionysus   Oct-30-09 11:27 AM   #109 
                 - you're not part of their club unless you hate obama and most democrats, i suppose.  dionysus   Oct-30-09 11:26 AM   #108 
           - "The difference is, you flame more than just about anybody, and do it with a sneer." Frenchie?  dionysus   Oct-30-09 11:25 AM   #107 
     - Anything that strips me of most of my discretionary income is not "reasonable" n/t  eridani   Oct-30-09 12:54 AM   #87 
     - +1,000,000,000,000,000  redqueen   Oct-30-09 11:17 AM   #104 
  - +1 Frenchie, + Fucking 1  berni_mccoy   Oct-30-09 12:37 AM   #83 
  - It isn't Medicare for some either. If is massive theft at gunpoint for those of midest means n/t  eridani   Oct-30-09 12:54 AM   #86 
  - he is wrong  optimator   Oct-29-09 07:19 PM   #5 
  - His counts more than others......  FrenchieCat   Oct-29-09 07:20 PM   #7 
  - His is an educated opinion from one of the most forthright politicians in  pnwmom   Oct-29-09 07:22 PM   #10 
  - +1, as they say on the internet  emulatorloo   Oct-29-09 07:31 PM   #26 
     - Yes, I love and respect the good doctor  goclark   Oct-29-09 09:32 PM   #64 
  - Most of us want HCR, others want Utopia NOW..  tridim   Oct-29-09 07:23 PM   #11 
     - That about sums it up. n/t  pnwmom   Oct-29-09 07:25 PM   #14 
     - reminds me of selfish spoiled children.....  FrenchieCat   Oct-29-09 07:25 PM   #15 
     - Funny how I keep agreeing with the same posters over and over.  Cant trust em   Oct-29-09 07:27 PM   #21 
     - Utopia..... No,  bvar22   Oct-29-09 08:31 PM   #49 
     - Yea, here's a tip  tridim   Oct-29-09 08:34 PM   #53 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-29-09 08:38 PM   #55 
        - If your ass fucking is the lifesaver for millions of others......  FrenchieCat   Oct-29-09 08:52 PM   #57 
           - b-bu buh buh, you have blood on your hands!!11!!1 *stroke*, *collapse*.  dionysus   Oct-30-09 11:32 AM   #114 
     - what are you 12? cut the melodrama. because your impossible single payer won't happen,  dionysus   Oct-30-09 11:31 AM   #112 
     - We don't want outright theft and highway robbery n/t  eridani   Oct-30-09 12:55 AM   #88 
     - That's what it seems like, yes. (nt)  redqueen   Oct-30-09 11:21 AM   #105 
  - The key words are "This isn't the kind of reform I'd love."  Ardent15   Oct-29-09 07:20 PM   #8 
  - Wrong......  FrenchieCat   Oct-29-09 07:23 PM   #12 
  - We'll see.  Ardent15   Oct-29-09 07:26 PM   #17 
     - It's not a question of hope, it is a question of fact.......  FrenchieCat   Oct-29-09 07:31 PM   #25 
        - So you are a grown up because you have that opinion and others have another?  DireStrike   Oct-29-09 10:11 PM   #68 
  - No, the key word is "BUT." Although he had supported another kind of reform,  pnwmom   Oct-29-09 07:24 PM   #13 
  - That was my hope too. Start from universal single payer and wind up at  GreenPartyVoter   Oct-29-09 09:03 PM   #59 
  - Watch it Dean,  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-29-09 07:25 PM   #16 
  - I was relieved to hear his thoughts....  OneGrassRoot   Oct-29-09 07:26 PM   #18 
  - LOL!  nightrain   Oct-29-09 07:27 PM   #19 
  - I see Boehner is bitching about the bill and how evil the Democrats are. So I guess it can't be all  emulatorloo   Oct-29-09 07:32 PM   #28 
  - You don't get everything you want  Thrill   Oct-29-09 07:36 PM   #29 
  - Even Dr. Dean gets it wrong once a decade or so.  Sebastian Doyle   Oct-29-09 07:38 PM   #30 
  - Are we better off without the bill? If you have good health insurance through work - maybe  stray cat   Oct-29-09 07:56 PM   #32 
  - Perhaps you should look in the mirror and then say what you have posted here.....  FrenchieCat   Oct-29-09 08:12 PM   #38 
  - Rewarding the corrupt criminal bastard insurance industry with millions of new customers  Sebastian Doyle   Oct-29-09 08:18 PM   #41 
     - Can you give me facts instead of name calling.......?  FrenchieCat   Oct-29-09 08:20 PM   #43 
     - The facts are obvious......  Sebastian Doyle   Oct-29-09 08:31 PM   #51 
        - I'm glad to hear your opinion......  FrenchieCat   Oct-29-09 08:34 PM   #52 
     - +10!  kath   Oct-30-09 11:29 AM   #111 
  - Explain to the uninsurables who will benefit from this bill why they should have  pnwmom   Oct-29-09 11:52 PM   #78 
     - What makes you think uninsurables will benefit?  eridani   Oct-30-09 12:56 AM   #89 
        - No, the bills say the insurance companies won't be able to set premiums  pnwmom   Oct-30-09 01:25 AM   #92 
           - Well, fuck you very much from those of us over 60 but not eligible for Medicare n/t  eridani   Oct-30-09 01:29 AM   #93 
              - You don't get it. I'm in my 50's so I'm not far from that situation myself.  pnwmom   Oct-30-09 01:37 AM   #95 
                 - They are still allowed to set the premiums  eridani   Oct-30-09 04:05 AM   #96 
                 - Age rating is anyone over 50 and they can charge 4 times the amount...  slipslidingaway   Oct-30-09 11:12 AM   #102 
  - Our foot is in the door...  GreenTea   Oct-29-09 08:02 PM   #33 
  - KNR  mzmolly   Oct-29-09 08:05 PM   #34 
  - I disagree with Dr. Dean..I would rather see no healthcare reform at all than  INdemo   Oct-29-09 08:14 PM   #39 
  - You must not have a child who is uninsurable. Lucky you,  pnwmom   Oct-29-09 11:53 PM   #79 
     - Now you get insurance at the cost of nearly 100% of your discretionary income n/t  eridani   Oct-30-09 12:57 AM   #90 
     - The plans don't allow insurers to charge premiums based on the kinds of  pnwmom   Oct-30-09 01:31 AM   #94 
        - Isn't that just special. Unfortunately, the plans DO allow them to charge anything they  eridani   Oct-30-09 04:21 AM   #97 
     - My point is we can do much better so  INdemo   Oct-30-09 07:40 AM   #100 
  - Howard Dean's word is good too, in my book. Intelligence, common sense, & political savvy....  Hekate   Oct-29-09 08:20 PM   #42 
  - Dr. Dean is correct and am glad he said it. n/t  Kind of Blue   Oct-29-09 08:24 PM   #45 
  - He was correct a week ago. This week he's full of shit  eridani   Oct-30-09 04:23 AM   #98 
     - yeah, what's up with that?  kath   Oct-30-09 11:32 AM   #113 
  - He's being a good team player.  Laelth   Oct-29-09 08:26 PM   #47 
  - Yeah, I think you are right.  DireStrike   Oct-29-09 10:16 PM   #69 
  - I hear you, and I hope you're right.  Laelth   Oct-29-09 10:39 PM   #72 
     - As Far as the 2010 Election,  On the Road   Oct-30-09 12:38 AM   #84 
  - ^^ this  d_b   Oct-29-09 11:15 PM   #76 
  - That's not Dr. Dean's MO. He's a forthright person, not known at all  pnwmom   Oct-29-09 11:55 PM   #80 
  - Unfortunately his team sucks.  kenny blankenship   Oct-30-09 11:23 AM   #106 
     - Right you are, Ken.  DireStrike   Oct-30-09 06:21 PM   #122 
  - Dean seemed more interested in  jtrockville   Oct-29-09 09:01 PM   #58 
  - Both maintaining a majority and getting something effective passed are important  Ardent15   Oct-29-09 09:04 PM   #60 
  - Noticed that as well :( n/t  slipslidingaway   Oct-29-09 11:15 PM   #77 
  - It strikes me as odd that someone would find Dean's caring about keeping a Dem majority as odd  NNN0LHI   Oct-30-09 04:57 AM   #99 
  - If the topic were strategy, the comment would have been appropriate.  jtrockville   Oct-30-09 12:50 PM   #117 
  - maybe it's because if we win the 2010 elections we can implement more policy than if we lose.  dionysus   Oct-30-09 11:28 AM   #110 
     - Doubtful. Particularly if we elect more dems like Baucus.  jtrockville   Oct-30-09 12:48 PM   #116 
        - there's the paradox... people like that asshat get elected because they're in red states.  dionysus   Oct-30-09 01:04 PM   #118 
           - Yes, a paradox: asshat or conservative.  jtrockville   Oct-30-09 02:42 PM   #120 
              - I can't think of any conservative that actually loves the country  DireStrike   Oct-30-09 06:24 PM   #123 
                 - Slim pickins for sure, but Chuck Hagel comes to mind.  jtrockville   Oct-30-09 11:45 PM   #126 
  - I trust Howard Dean. I had been depressed today, if he says the bills are okay I'll take his word.  Diane R   Oct-29-09 09:27 PM   #62 
  - First time I'm disagreeing with Dean.  DireStrike   Oct-29-09 10:08 PM   #67 
  - I Swear My First Thought Regarding Dr. Dean's Interview was "Wonder How DU Will React?"  PopSixSquish   Oct-29-09 10:24 PM   #71 
  - Thank goodness that is no longer my first thought.......  FrenchieCat   Oct-29-09 10:39 PM   #73 
  - I disagree, Dean said only 5-10 million will be in the public option, also ...  slipslidingaway   Oct-29-09 11:12 PM   #75 
  - You disagree with what? That he said today the words I quoted him as saying?  pnwmom   Oct-30-09 12:35 AM   #82 
  - It appears the meaning of "real reform" has changed significantly...  slipslidingaway   Oct-30-09 10:24 AM   #101 
     - Very interesting how much that definition has changed...  kath   Oct-30-09 11:36 AM   #115 
        - Yes it is :( n/t  slipslidingaway   Oct-30-09 01:05 PM   #119 
  - Dean said that about biotech patents?  DireStrike   Oct-30-09 06:28 PM   #124 
     - Here is the article Dean wrote for The Hilll ...  slipslidingaway   Nov-01-09 01:49 AM   #128 
  - "this is pretty good stuff and it really will make a difference"  redqueen   Oct-30-09 11:16 AM   #103 
  - yeah, this is the same Dr Dean who was instrumental in getting "biologicals"  nightrain   Oct-30-09 05:53 PM   #121 
  - I have to ask this  ampad   Nov-01-09 01:05 AM   #127 

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