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| 84. Perhaps it would be best to scrap any Health Care Legislation for the time being, and revisit |
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after we have had an opportunity to vote out Blue Dogs and DLC members and replace them with true progressives. If this includes voting out Obama, which appears may be necessary, then so be it. It is time for the citizens of this country to force "Change We Can Believe In".
The citizens of this country should also be pushing hard for campaign finance reform and term limits. The need for this has become abundantly clear throughout the health care debate.
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| -Jane Hamsher: House Health Care Bill: A Death Sentence For My Fellow Breast Cancer Survivors |
seafan |
Oct-29-09 02:48 PM |
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Off to greatest... |
FiveGoodMen |
Oct-29-09 02:59 PM |
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Please, STOP denying a step forward from the past. |
sicksicksick_N_tired |
Oct-29-09 10:13 PM |
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NO REFORM = DEATH SENTENCE nt |
sicksicksick_N_tired |
Oct-29-09 10:15 PM |
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The bill that came out today is not reform |
dflprincess |
Oct-29-09 10:23 PM |
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And like Jane Hamsher points out, the drugs will be |
truedelphi |
Oct-30-09 02:54 AM |
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And, the provisions in the bill will only START to close the donut hole |
dflprincess |
Oct-30-09 11:57 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-01-09 01:08 AM |
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the more I find out about the House Bill |
placton |
Oct-29-09 03:01 PM |
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jesus. i hate to say that i agree with your assessment. :( |
inna |
Oct-31-09 03:19 PM |
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Heartbreaking. |
annabanana |
Oct-29-09 03:01 PM |
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It is so disgusting, I could vomit. |
freddie mertz |
Oct-29-09 03:02 PM |
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Same here. Sold out, sold out and sold out. |
truedelphi |
Oct-30-09 02:51 AM |
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Jane Hamsher is my hero. |
nashville_brook |
Oct-29-09 03:03 PM |
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Wait until the Obama Administration finds out about this. Then you'll see results! Book it! |
Karmadillo |
Oct-29-09 03:03 PM |
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Dream on. |
emilyg |
Oct-29-09 06:56 PM |
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Some things you need to know about "The Obama Administration". |
bvar22 |
Oct-29-09 07:17 PM |
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Some of us have seen this about him since the very beginning |
truedelphi |
Oct-30-09 02:57 AM |
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Oh-My-God. |
inna |
Oct-30-09 08:47 PM |
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you forgot the sarcasm thingy..didn't you?? Surely you did! this was done because of Obama's secret |
flyarm |
Oct-29-09 07:24 PM |
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worth 81 billion or was it a mere 81 million? |
earcandle |
Oct-29-09 09:48 PM |
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I believe the deal was for 30 pieces of silver |
midnight armadillo |
Oct-29-09 10:30 PM |
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BWHAHAHAHAHA!!! |
bobbolink |
Oct-29-09 07:50 PM |
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Indeed. |
burning rain |
Oct-30-09 02:01 AM |
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When the Medicaire bill passed it was far from perfect |
MadMaddie |
Oct-29-09 03:08 PM |
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please please please |
placton |
Oct-29-09 03:10 PM |
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Medicare enrolled 93% of the population it was intended for, |
ipaint |
Oct-29-09 03:18 PM |
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AND THE PEOPLE DID NOT HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER AN ELECTION 4 YEARS AWAY FOR IT TO KICK IN! |
flyarm |
Oct-29-09 07:28 PM |
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You know, Ecuador just told Big Pharma that it would not honor their monopolies. |
EFerrari |
Oct-29-09 09:34 PM |
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and who are the smart people? and who are the damn fools? n/t |
flyarm |
Oct-30-09 12:52 AM |
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Where are the Free and the Brave? |
Demeter |
Oct-30-09 05:54 AM |
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"With the will of the people...?" |
wolfgangmo |
Oct-29-09 04:08 PM |
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You Are Correct |
Knight Hawk |
Oct-29-09 07:30 PM |
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And they sent 1500 people a DAY to the guillotine at the height. |
Le Taz Hot |
Oct-30-09 06:03 AM |
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this whole topic is absolutely fascinating. |
inna |
Oct-30-09 09:00 PM |
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But it was a good progressive bill and this insurance industry bill is beginning to stink!! |
Better Believe It |
Oct-29-09 04:13 PM |
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Live in the now. |
CrispyQ |
Oct-29-09 05:51 PM |
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"no longer serves the people?" Since when has "capitalism" |
Fire1 |
Oct-30-09 11:28 AM |
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I concede your point. |
CrispyQ |
Oct-30-09 12:42 PM |
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Medicare was open to everyone 65 and older, the government did not give subsidies... |
slipslidingaway |
Oct-29-09 06:34 PM |
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yep. |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-29-09 11:33 PM |
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But we were told to think of the public option as being "like Medicare" ... |
slipslidingaway |
Oct-30-09 12:12 AM |
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We were lied to!! |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-30-09 02:53 PM |
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+1 |
BREMPRO |
Oct-29-09 06:39 PM |
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Yeah, and I'm just lucky my mother didn't die from going without her |
EFerrari |
Oct-29-09 09:37 PM |
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I, quite frankly, am exhausted from hearing this |
xxqqqzme |
Oct-30-09 11:49 AM |
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Exactly, a succinct analysis of what could easily have been |
sabrina 1 |
Oct-30-09 10:53 PM |
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The corporate Dems sold us out again. SHAMEFUL what they'll do for the almighty $! |
mod mom |
Oct-29-09 03:13 PM |
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They want to clean our wallets for their buddies? It's time to CLEAN HOUSE and get OUR buddies in! |
cascadiance |
Oct-29-09 03:17 PM |
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To recap--~90% aren't eligible; full effect after 2013; drug profits shielded; no state single payer |
seafan |
Oct-29-09 03:48 PM |
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Kissing up to PhARMA on patents, eh? |
depakid |
Oct-29-09 03:50 PM |
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Yet another reason |
Coyote_Bandit |
Oct-29-09 04:25 PM |
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Outrage. There is a LOT of outrage to go around with the private insurance wet dream bill |
debbierlus |
Oct-29-09 04:31 PM |
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Liberals Are NOT Represented! This is a Royal FUCK Job and No Surprise |
theFrankFactor |
Oct-29-09 04:50 PM |
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Where does it say these drugs won't be covered under the Public Option? |
berni_mccoy |
Oct-29-09 04:55 PM |
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Hamsher gives substantive evidence at her link: |
seafan |
Oct-29-09 05:48 PM |
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All that is not evidence. It is people's stories about their INSURANCE companies not covering |
berni_mccoy |
Oct-29-09 07:47 PM |
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Who will pay for those drugs to keep these people alive? |
sabrina 1 |
Oct-29-09 09:55 PM |
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The OP makes an unsubstantiated claim. It's up to them to provide supporting evidence. |
berni_mccoy |
Oct-30-09 12:32 AM |
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don't waste your time..the cheerleader brigade knows damn well what the fuck they are pushing.. |
flyarm |
Oct-29-09 07:51 PM |
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Fine, can't make a reasoned argument, so call people names. There is no substance to the OP |
berni_mccoy |
Oct-30-09 12:33 AM |
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i have no interest in an argument ..the dye was cast when Obama had secret meetings with Big Pharma |
flyarm |
Oct-30-09 12:41 AM |
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thank you |
whathappened |
Oct-30-09 07:23 AM |
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Why is Congress practicing medicine? Did Bill Frist send them a video? |
MissMarple |
Oct-29-09 05:21 PM |
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K&R |
pleah |
Oct-29-09 05:43 PM |
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I have emailed an activist who has ties to Eshoo and others in the Bay Area... |
Ardent15 |
Oct-29-09 05:53 PM |
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Wait until the Democrats have a majority in Congress and retake the presidency.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-29-09 05:53 PM |
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Meanwhile there are DUers who are trying to shove this plan down our throats |
earth mom |
Oct-29-09 05:54 PM |
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knr - but Where the HELL was everyone back in July, August, September and October ... |
slipslidingaway |
Oct-29-09 06:22 PM |
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I personally was out at Town Halls getting yelled at by teabaggers, and pounding the halls of... |
demodonkey |
Oct-29-09 06:48 PM |
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Not expecting anyone to say what they were doing personally... |
slipslidingaway |
Oct-29-09 07:15 PM |
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WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE TEA BAGGERS DEMANDING REAL HEALTH CARE REFORM! |
flyarm |
Oct-29-09 07:41 PM |
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Protest against your own Party??? Most would not be willing to do so... |
slipslidingaway |
Oct-29-09 09:35 PM |
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Health Care: Eleven Ways That the House Bill is Better - |
GreenTea |
Oct-29-09 07:39 PM |
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go Jane!!!!!!! |
FLAprogressive |
Oct-29-09 07:41 PM |
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Jane is a hero..and she has been smeared here at Du by the fucking cheerleaders of this bullshit |
flyarm |
Oct-29-09 07:47 PM |
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I gotta wean myself off DU |
Generator |
Oct-29-09 07:47 PM |
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I myself have spent a great deal of time at Firedoglake..they at least are trying to do something |
flyarm |
Oct-29-09 07:55 PM |
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+ 1. |
truedelphi |
Oct-30-09 02:59 AM |
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Hate to hear this. But this is something that is fixable in the future. Easier to amend ... |
Honeycombe8 |
Oct-29-09 07:47 PM |
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oh bullshit..how many have to die of breast cancer first??????? |
flyarm |
Oct-29-09 07:54 PM |
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Bullshit. Well, I can see why you didn't win the arguments over this, if that's your |
Honeycombe8 |
Oct-29-09 08:33 PM |
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I don't need to win an argument..the argument was won..by the fucking dems in this congress..and on |
flyarm |
Oct-29-09 09:30 PM |
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i get it...i am a breast cancer survivor |
noiretextatique |
Oct-30-09 12:24 PM |
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You do realize this isn't about Breast Cancer |
LynneSin |
Oct-30-09 01:51 PM |
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Yes, well Jane and I hope they amend it sooner |
madmax |
Oct-30-09 12:48 AM |
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That's what we were told about Clinton's horrendous |
sabrina 1 |
Oct-30-09 11:13 PM |
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If this is how it pans out, it's time to plan an Underground Railroad for life-saving drugs. |
bobbolink |
Oct-29-09 07:53 PM |
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No. It's time to build an Underground Railroad for leaving for Canada |
troubledamerican |
Oct-29-09 10:15 PM |
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Canada doesn't take poor people either. Too bad you had to answer "NO" so quickly. |
bobbolink |
Oct-31-09 05:20 PM |
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I admire Jane very much. |
tnlefty |
Oct-29-09 08:26 PM |
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K&R |
Vidar |
Oct-29-09 09:59 PM |
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As soon as the fed start paying the bills, they will force every provider to cut costs, |
McCamy Taylor |
Oct-29-09 10:14 PM |
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As much as I dislike having to, |
BobTheSubgenius |
Oct-29-09 10:52 PM |
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This hurts. It really does. |
AzDar |
Oct-29-09 11:08 PM |
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K n R |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-29-09 11:33 PM |
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are you getting it now, people? |
Skittles |
Oct-30-09 01:46 AM |
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That is my new sig line. Thank you. n/t |
truedelphi |
Oct-30-09 01:26 PM |
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This is bad news indeed. |
winyanstaz |
Oct-30-09 02:34 AM |
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Some Have Sold Out - Others Have Wimped Out (Obama) |
timzi |
Oct-30-09 05:15 AM |
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Perhaps it would be best to scrap any Health Care Legislation for the time being, and revisit |
NorthCarolina |
Oct-30-09 09:12 AM |
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REC: all true, but "biologics" are new & should be handled in separate bill. |
philly_bob |
Oct-30-09 09:47 AM |
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I agree they should be in seperate bill, although I have not read the report... |
slipslidingaway |
Oct-30-09 01:20 PM |
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When they're down to arguing over slices of the pie ... |
philly_bob |
Oct-30-09 04:32 PM |
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No personal opinion about the time period, several people wanted 5 years... |
slipslidingaway |
Oct-31-09 11:39 AM |
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Thom Hartmann talking about this post now |
Canuckistanian |
Oct-30-09 12:11 PM |
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Repulsive |
FlyByNight |
Oct-30-09 12:15 PM |
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K&R |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Oct-30-09 12:16 PM |
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Kick for Thom H. talking to Jane H. right now! |
bullwinkle428 |
Oct-30-09 12:36 PM |
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I am listening too... |
avaistheone1 |
Oct-30-09 12:40 PM |
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If you agree with Jane Hamsher, most likely you disagree with Howard Dean... |
slipslidingaway |
Oct-30-09 01:14 PM |
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Once again everyone goes off the deep end but what else is new |
LynneSin |
Oct-30-09 01:44 PM |
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The OP mentions other diseases in addition to breast cancer, also this is not... |
slipslidingaway |
Oct-30-09 02:42 PM |
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I'm reading the entire thread |
LynneSin |
Oct-30-09 02:46 PM |
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Again this is not about something NOT being in the bill, it is about an amendment IN... |
slipslidingaway |
Oct-30-09 02:53 PM |
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The more I learn about these bills, the more I feel like telling them to SHOVE IT. |
Doremus |
Oct-30-09 09:11 PM |
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Congresswoman Eshoo responds to Jane Hamsher |
ProSense |
Oct-30-09 11:22 PM |
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Bump |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Oct-31-09 09:07 AM |
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I'm sorry, but Hamsher is WRONG! Read the damn amendment! |
johnaries |
Oct-31-09 12:32 PM |
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Jane Hamsher responds and she is not WRONG. |
avaistheone1 |
Oct-31-09 05:30 PM |
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Direct FDL link... |
slipslidingaway |
Nov-01-09 01:05 AM |
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DOW 10000, Pretty pictures, Iraq War is Over, Let Torturers Go Free |
mullard12ax7 |
Oct-31-09 12:55 PM |
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