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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-29-09 08:33 PM
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49. Bullshit. Well, I can see why you didn't win the arguments over this, if that's your
idea of a reasoned argument.

It's hard to fight those pesky things called facts, isn't it?

It is IMPOSSIBLE to have everything in the bill. Do you understand the word "impossible"? Something (s) are inevitably left out.

Far more people will die from this bill not passing than from the generica loosening legislation not passing at this time.

If your goal is to save lives, then I'm sure you will start supporting this very good bill. If that's your goal. If your goal is simply to complain, then nothing will suffice, since NOTHING has ever been or will ever be perfect and complete. Life isn't like that. Wake up and smell the coffee. People are dying! This bill needs to pass. The stamps of approval are racking up from everywhere...the bill is being recognized as the good bill that it is. Not a first choice. But real reform that includes a public option.

The provision that is missing that would loosen the generic qualification MAY be added before it's all over. You never know. If not, it can be added in the future.
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  - Please, STOP denying a step forward from the past.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-29-09 10:13 PM   #57 
     - NO REFORM = DEATH SENTENCE nt  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-29-09 10:15 PM   #59 
        - The bill that came out today is not reform  dflprincess   Oct-29-09 10:23 PM   #61 
           - And like Jane Hamsher points out, the drugs will be  truedelphi   Oct-30-09 02:54 AM   #77 
           - And, the provisions in the bill will only START to close the donut hole  dflprincess   Oct-30-09 11:57 AM   #88 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-01-09 01:08 AM   #120 
  - the more I find out about the House Bill  placton   Oct-29-09 03:01 PM   # 
  - jesus. i hate to say that i agree with your assessment. :(  inna   Oct-31-09 03:19 PM   #116 
  - Heartbreaking.  annabanana   Oct-29-09 03:01 PM   #2 
  - It is so disgusting, I could vomit.  freddie mertz   Oct-29-09 03:02 PM   #3 
  - Same here. Sold out, sold out and sold out.  truedelphi   Oct-30-09 02:51 AM   #76 
  - Jane Hamsher is my hero.  nashville_brook   Oct-29-09 03:03 PM   #4 
  - Wait until the Obama Administration finds out about this. Then you'll see results! Book it!  Karmadillo   Oct-29-09 03:03 PM   #5 
  - Dream on.  emilyg   Oct-29-09 06:56 PM   #30 
  - Some things you need to know about "The Obama Administration".  bvar22   Oct-29-09 07:17 PM   #32 
  - Some of us have seen this about him since the very beginning  truedelphi   Oct-30-09 02:57 AM   #78 
  - Oh-My-God.  inna   Oct-30-09 08:47 PM   #106 
  - you forgot the sarcasm thingy..didn't you?? Surely you did! this was done because of Obama's secret  flyarm   Oct-29-09 07:24 PM   #33 
  - worth 81 billion or was it a mere 81 million?  earcandle   Oct-29-09 09:48 PM   #54 
     - I believe the deal was for 30 pieces of silver  midnight armadillo   Oct-29-09 10:30 PM   #62 
  - BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!  bobbolink   Oct-29-09 07:50 PM   #43 
  - Indeed.  burning rain   Oct-30-09 02:01 AM   #74 
  - When the Medicaire bill passed it was far from perfect  MadMaddie   Oct-29-09 03:08 PM   #6 
  - please please please  placton   Oct-29-09 03:10 PM   #7 
  - Medicare enrolled 93% of the population it was intended for,  ipaint   Oct-29-09 03:18 PM   #10 
     - You know, Ecuador just told Big Pharma that it would not honor their monopolies.  EFerrari   Oct-29-09 09:34 PM   #51 
        - and who are the smart people? and who are the damn fools? n/t  flyarm   Oct-30-09 12:52 AM   #72 
           - Where are the Free and the Brave?  Demeter   Oct-30-09 05:54 AM   #81 
  - "With the will of the people...?"  wolfgangmo   Oct-29-09 04:08 PM   #13 
  - You Are Correct  Knight Hawk   Oct-29-09 07:30 PM   #35 
     - And they sent 1500 people a DAY to the guillotine at the height.  Le Taz Hot   Oct-30-09 06:03 AM   #82 
        - this whole topic is absolutely fascinating.  inna   Oct-30-09 09:00 PM   #107 
  - But it was a good progressive bill and this insurance industry bill is beginning to stink!!  Better Believe It   Oct-29-09 04:13 PM   #14 
  - Live in the now.  CrispyQ   Oct-29-09 05:51 PM   #22 
  - "no longer serves the people?" Since when has "capitalism"  Fire1   Oct-30-09 11:28 AM   #86 
     - I concede your point.  CrispyQ   Oct-30-09 12:42 PM   #95 
  - Medicare was open to everyone 65 and older, the government did not give subsidies...  slipslidingaway   Oct-29-09 06:34 PM   #27 
  - yep.  BrklynLiberal   Oct-29-09 11:33 PM   #65 
     - But we were told to think of the public option as being "like Medicare" ...  slipslidingaway   Oct-30-09 12:12 AM   #67 
        - We were lied to!!  BrklynLiberal   Oct-30-09 02:53 PM   #104 
  - +1  BREMPRO   Oct-29-09 06:39 PM   #28 
  - Yeah, and I'm just lucky my mother didn't die from going without her  EFerrari   Oct-29-09 09:37 PM   #53 
  - I, quite frankly, am exhausted from hearing this  xxqqqzme   Oct-30-09 11:49 AM   #87 
     - Exactly, a succinct analysis of what could easily have been  sabrina 1   Oct-30-09 10:53 PM   #109 
  - The corporate Dems sold us out again. SHAMEFUL what they'll do for the almighty $!  mod mom   Oct-29-09 03:13 PM   #8 
  - They want to clean our wallets for their buddies? It's time to CLEAN HOUSE and get OUR buddies in!  cascadiance   Oct-29-09 03:17 PM   #9 
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  - Kissing up to PhARMA on patents, eh?  depakid   Oct-29-09 03:50 PM   #12 
  - Yet another reason  Coyote_Bandit   Oct-29-09 04:25 PM   #15 
  - Outrage. There is a LOT of outrage to go around with the private insurance wet dream bill  debbierlus   Oct-29-09 04:31 PM   #16 
  - Liberals Are NOT Represented! This is a Royal FUCK Job and No Surprise  theFrankFactor   Oct-29-09 04:50 PM   #17 
  - Where does it say these drugs won't be covered under the Public Option?  berni_mccoy   Oct-29-09 04:55 PM   #18 
  - Hamsher gives substantive evidence at her link:  seafan   Oct-29-09 05:48 PM   #21 
     - All that is not evidence. It is people's stories about their INSURANCE companies not covering  berni_mccoy   Oct-29-09 07:47 PM   #40 
     - Who will pay for those drugs to keep these people alive?  sabrina 1   Oct-29-09 09:55 PM   #55 
        - The OP makes an unsubstantiated claim. It's up to them to provide supporting evidence.  berni_mccoy   Oct-30-09 12:32 AM   #68 
     - don't waste your time..the cheerleader brigade knows damn well what the fuck they are pushing..  flyarm   Oct-29-09 07:51 PM   #44 
        - Fine, can't make a reasoned argument, so call people names. There is no substance to the OP  berni_mccoy   Oct-30-09 12:33 AM   #69 
           - i have no interest in an argument ..the dye was cast when Obama had secret meetings with Big Pharma  flyarm   Oct-30-09 12:41 AM   #70 
              - thank you  whathappened   Oct-30-09 07:23 AM   #83 
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  - K&R  pleah   Oct-29-09 05:43 PM   #20 
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  - go Jane!!!!!!!  FLAprogressive   Oct-29-09 07:41 PM   #37 
  - Jane is a hero..and she has been smeared here at Du by the fucking cheerleaders of this bullshit  flyarm   Oct-29-09 07:47 PM   #39 
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  - + 1.  truedelphi   Oct-30-09 02:59 AM   #79 
  - Hate to hear this. But this is something that is fixable in the future. Easier to amend ...  Honeycombe8   Oct-29-09 07:47 PM   #42 
  - oh many have to die of breast cancer first???????  flyarm   Oct-29-09 07:54 PM   #46 
  - Bullshit. Well, I can see why you didn't win the arguments over this, if that's your  Honeycombe8   Oct-29-09 08:33 PM   #49 
  - I don't need to win an argument..the argument was the fucking dems in this congress..and on  flyarm   Oct-29-09 09:30 PM   #50 
     - i get it...i am a breast cancer survivor  noiretextatique   Oct-30-09 12:24 PM   #92 
  - You do realize this isn't about Breast Cancer  LynneSin   Oct-30-09 01:51 PM   #100 
  - Yes, well Jane and I hope they amend it sooner  madmax   Oct-30-09 12:48 AM   #71 
  - That's what we were told about Clinton's horrendous  sabrina 1   Oct-30-09 11:13 PM   #110 
  - If this is how it pans out, it's time to plan an Underground Railroad for life-saving drugs.  bobbolink   Oct-29-09 07:53 PM   #45 
  - No. It's time to build an Underground Railroad for leaving for Canada  troubledamerican   Oct-29-09 10:15 PM   #60 
     - Canada doesn't take poor people either. Too bad you had to answer "NO" so quickly.  bobbolink   Oct-31-09 05:20 PM   #117 
  - I admire Jane very much.  tnlefty   Oct-29-09 08:26 PM   #48 
  - K&R  Vidar   Oct-29-09 09:59 PM   #56 
  - As soon as the fed start paying the bills, they will force every provider to cut costs,  McCamy Taylor   Oct-29-09 10:14 PM   #58 
  - As much as I dislike having to,  BobTheSubgenius   Oct-29-09 10:52 PM   #63 
  - This hurts. It really does.  AzDar   Oct-29-09 11:08 PM   #64 
  - K n R  BrklynLiberal   Oct-29-09 11:33 PM   #66 
  - are you getting it now, people?  Skittles   Oct-30-09 01:46 AM   #73 
  - That is my new sig line. Thank you. n/t  truedelphi   Oct-30-09 01:26 PM   #98 
  - This is bad news indeed.  winyanstaz   Oct-30-09 02:34 AM   #75 
  - Some Have Sold Out - Others Have Wimped Out (Obama)  timzi   Oct-30-09 05:15 AM   #80 
  - Perhaps it would be best to scrap any Health Care Legislation for the time being, and revisit  NorthCarolina   Oct-30-09 09:12 AM   #84 
  - REC: all true, but "biologics" are new & should be handled in separate bill.  philly_bob   Oct-30-09 09:47 AM   #85 
  - I agree they should be in seperate bill, although I have not read the report...  slipslidingaway   Oct-30-09 01:20 PM   #97 
     - When they're down to arguing over slices of the pie ...  philly_bob   Oct-30-09 04:32 PM   #105 
        - No personal opinion about the time period, several people wanted 5 years...  slipslidingaway   Oct-31-09 11:39 AM   #113 
  - Thom Hartmann talking about this post now  Canuckistanian   Oct-30-09 12:11 PM   #89 
  - Repulsive  FlyByNight   Oct-30-09 12:15 PM   #90 
  - K&R  Orwellian_Ghost   Oct-30-09 12:16 PM   #91 
  - Kick for Thom H. talking to Jane H. right now!  bullwinkle428   Oct-30-09 12:36 PM   #93 
  - I am listening too...  avaistheone1   Oct-30-09 12:40 PM   #94 
  - If you agree with Jane Hamsher, most likely you disagree with Howard Dean...  slipslidingaway   Oct-30-09 01:14 PM   #96 
  - Once again everyone goes off the deep end but what else is new  LynneSin   Oct-30-09 01:44 PM   #99 
  - The OP mentions other diseases in addition to breast cancer, also this is not...  slipslidingaway   Oct-30-09 02:42 PM   #101 
     - I'm reading the entire thread  LynneSin   Oct-30-09 02:46 PM   #102 
        - Again this is not about something NOT being in the bill, it is about an amendment IN...  slipslidingaway   Oct-30-09 02:53 PM   #103 
  - The more I learn about these bills, the more I feel like telling them to SHOVE IT.  Doremus   Oct-30-09 09:11 PM   #108 
  - Congresswoman Eshoo responds to Jane Hamsher  ProSense   Oct-30-09 11:22 PM   #111 
  - Bump  Orwellian_Ghost   Oct-31-09 09:07 AM   #112 
  - I'm sorry, but Hamsher is WRONG! Read the damn amendment!  johnaries   Oct-31-09 12:32 PM   #114 
  - Jane Hamsher responds and she is not WRONG.  avaistheone1   Oct-31-09 05:30 PM   #118 
     - Direct FDL link...  slipslidingaway   Nov-01-09 01:05 AM   #119 
  - DOW 10000, Pretty pictures, Iraq War is Over, Let Torturers Go Free  mullard12ax7   Oct-31-09 12:55 PM   #115 

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