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102. Oh I read it. The entire piece. Even so, I still like bacon...
A few questions.
"But if you still eat meat from factories -- and, Foer reports, 99 percent of meat eaten in the U.S. is raised and/or processed in factory operations -- you have not, by definition, absorbed the reality of factory farms"
What does he mean by "by definition"? He assumes that if one absorbs the reality they will won't eat factory meat? an assumption or projection is not a "definition".

"So to grasp factory farming fully is to reject it unconditionally."
Again, he is projecting his own views. Some people don't care and care more about the cheap meat availability.

"The reader is left with a moral dilemma: should I stop eating factory meat and seek out responsibly-raised beef, poultry and pork (exemplars of such farming are the stars of Foer's book), or should I simply stop eating meat altogether."

There is a third option, to keep eating factory meat because the reader does not have a moral dilemma. Again the writer is pushing his moral ruler. Some will not care. Probably many.

And I still love (if I said like earlier, I mean love) bacon.

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  -The Moral Ferocity of Eating Animals spiritual_gunfighter  Oct-29-09 08:18 AM   #0 
  - Call me Satan.  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-29-09 08:23 AM   #1 
  - rofl, im the same these threads always make me want a steak  vadawg   Oct-29-09 08:25 AM   #2 
  - I know. The though of a dead cow makes me hungry every time.  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-29-09 08:28 AM   # 
  - So ok.. a dead cow makes you hungry, I get that  underseasurveyor   Oct-29-09 11:49 AM   #85 
     - I know exactly how much an animal suffers.  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-29-09 12:26 PM   #107 
     - You killing an animal and eating is MUCH different  underseasurveyor   Oct-29-09 12:30 PM   #112 
        - Not really life is still hard for them in the wild.  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-29-09 12:51 PM   #124 
           - Apples will never be oranges no matter how much you wish them to be  underseasurveyor   Oct-29-09 12:55 PM   #128 
              - So you say.  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-29-09 01:05 PM   #133 
     - What do you propose?  rd_kent   Oct-29-09 01:47 PM   #157 
     - As always, I'm a day late.  Altoid_Cyclist   Oct-30-09 01:42 PM   #249 
     - "so horrific for the animals"  Ignis   Oct-29-09 09:59 PM   #235 
        - What it is doing to us is so key in this issue  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-29-09 10:41 PM   #239 
        - Sadly I've seen and heard the stories  underseasurveyor   Oct-29-09 11:02 PM   #240 
        - I didn't want to wade into any of that up/downstream, but...  Ignis   Oct-30-09 12:54 PM   #247 
        - Hugs to you  underseasurveyor   Oct-29-09 11:33 PM   #241 
           - Coconut milk yogurt...mmmm!  Ignis   Oct-30-09 12:52 PM   #246 
  - Try actually reading the article next time n/t  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-29-09 08:55 AM   #25 
     - I read what you posted.  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-29-09 08:59 AM   #27 
        - You obviously didn't  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-29-09 09:06 AM   #36 
           - Oh please.  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-29-09 09:11 AM   #39 
           - Ah, the "I feel like a steak right now" crowd is right on time. No one is saying don't eat  zonkers   Oct-29-09 11:08 AM   #72 
              - and all we said was that for some reason when these threads appear the cravings start  vadawg   Oct-29-09 11:10 AM   #73 
              - I think you are insincere and enjoy being a contrarian. I doubt you feel like a steak right now.  zonkers   Oct-29-09 11:14 AM   #74 
                 - to late i already had a couple of cheeseburgers since this thread started  vadawg   Oct-29-09 11:28 AM   #78 
                    - You have been branded  conscious evolution   Oct-29-09 11:39 AM   #82 
                       - not really i ate meat long before i saw any adverts for it. same as my ancestors did...  vadawg   Oct-29-09 11:53 AM   #89 
              - Guilty as charged.  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-29-09 12:24 PM   #104 
              - mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm its whats for dinner  vadawg   Oct-29-09 12:29 PM   #111 
              - Making my mouth water!!  Harry Monroe   Oct-29-09 09:11 PM   #225 
              - Vile is as vile does.  Lorien   Oct-29-09 09:22 PM   #229 
              - LOL!  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-29-09 09:32 PM   #231 
              - wow  Archbishop   Oct-30-09 01:45 PM   #250 
              - Sociopaths all. nt  Lorien   Oct-29-09 09:17 PM   #226 
                 - Or just stupid.  Cetacea   Oct-30-09 12:36 AM   #242 
  - just be sure to cook it thoroughly  Bill McBlueState   Oct-29-09 08:29 AM   #5 
     - I've been eating medium rare steaks for about 20 years.  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-29-09 08:34 AM   #9 
        - i got a couple of deer hanging at my buddies as we speak  vadawg   Oct-29-09 08:36 AM   #10 
        - Yum deer jerky! I probably won't get to go hunting  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-29-09 08:40 AM   #13 
        - i like the deermeat aged though my buddy calls it rotten and then bbqed  vadawg   Oct-29-09 08:45 AM   #17 
           - Ageing deer meat I've heard takes out some  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-29-09 08:56 AM   #26 
        - That deer meat is probably 100% safer to eat than the meat from a factory farm.  fasttense   Oct-29-09 08:47 AM   #19 
        - lol i am agreeing with you in a sense, i just dont think the general pop is going to give up their  vadawg   Oct-29-09 08:49 AM   #20 
        - Yeah, so I'm told I can't match the price of my meat to the price sold at Wally World.  fasttense   Oct-29-09 09:11 AM   #38 
        - I've heard all this before.  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-29-09 09:05 AM   #33 
        - Meijer, our local, somewhat gentler version of Wal-Mart,  Bill McBlueState   Oct-29-09 09:05 AM   #35 
        - And I'm betting that those deer died quicker  underseasurveyor   Oct-29-09 11:57 AM   #92 
           - probuably not a lot quicker, not all kills are clean and quick  vadawg   Oct-29-09 12:32 PM   #114 
           - OK let's assume for a moment that the kill was not quick.  underseasurveyor   Oct-29-09 12:47 PM   #120 
              - what you think the bear i euthanized as it lay in the brush crying wasnt feeling pain  vadawg   Oct-29-09 12:49 PM   #123 
                 - Missed the point  underseasurveyor   Oct-29-09 01:02 PM   #132 
                    - yeah thats right, you need to reread that post and see if you understand what im saying  vadawg   Oct-29-09 01:06 PM   #134 
                       - Well did you shoot that bear and then allow it to lie there and suffer  underseasurveyor   Oct-29-09 01:12 PM   #136 
                          - i thought the word euthanise would have been a clue, the bear in question was wounded earlier  vadawg   Oct-29-09 01:18 PM   #137 
                             - I thought that your use of the word euthanize  underseasurveyor   Oct-29-09 02:21 PM   #176 
                                - no probs, we just have a different way of looking at animals, im not going to judge you on yours  vadawg   Oct-29-09 02:31 PM   #178 
                                   - And as long as you treat them kindly, respectfully and  underseasurveyor   Oct-29-09 02:36 PM   #182 
                                      - lol we can at least argue without to much name calling  vadawg   Oct-29-09 02:42 PM   #185 
                                         - Then don't tell me I'm sure I don't want to know  underseasurveyor   Oct-29-09 02:47 PM   #188 
           - Dead is Dead.  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-29-09 12:45 PM   #119 
        - No, taking responsibility for your own food is great  Bill McBlueState   Oct-29-09 09:03 AM   #31 
           - sorry, but my apartment complex does not allow cows. nt  RaleighNCDUer   Oct-29-09 09:21 AM   #44 
              - are we also gonna have the veges have to grow their own food  vadawg   Oct-29-09 09:42 AM   #52 
  - knr. be wary, the ' DONT TELL ME WHAT I CAN EAT!!!!' crowd will arrive soon..  Mari333   Oct-29-09 08:28 AM   #3 
  - They have alread arrived  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-29-09 08:54 AM   #24 
  - god forbid they would actually READ the article before spouting off.  Mari333   Oct-29-09 09:36 AM   #50 
  - And some people prefer to comment about other DUers...  Zodiak   Oct-29-09 01:40 PM   #148 
  - I don't think it's about not eating meat, I think  tmyers09   Oct-29-09 08:28 AM   #4 
  - Know a farmer, live near them etc  Bluenorthwest   Oct-29-09 08:41 AM   #15 
     - lol i can see the population of New York all having their own farmer, they would have to drive to  vadawg   Oct-29-09 08:46 AM   #18 
  - I read this to my dog and he licked his chops.  undeterred   Oct-29-09 08:31 AM   #6 
  - I read it to my dog too, right before I grilled his ass and ate him  The Straight Story   Oct-29-09 08:32 AM   #8 
  - I read it to my dog, and, like me, she doesn't understand why anyone  Critters2   Oct-29-09 12:25 PM   #106 
     - Dogs are carnivores.  undeterred   Oct-29-09 01:19 PM   #138 
     - Dogs are omnivores. n/t  superduperfarleft   Oct-29-09 01:23 PM   #141 
     - There's a debate on that...  undeterred   Oct-29-09 01:32 PM   #144 
        - By whom?  flvegan   Oct-29-09 01:44 PM   #152 
        - but serious question here, do you think that given to their own devices they wouldnt eat meat  vadawg   Oct-29-09 01:46 PM   #156 
           - Of course they would.  flvegan   Oct-29-09 02:38 PM   #184 
        - Do you know what the defintion of "omnivore" and "carnivore" is?  superduperfarleft   Oct-29-09 01:45 PM   #154 
     - Check the world record book. The oldest living dog is a vegetarian. nt  Lorien   Oct-29-09 09:24 PM   #230 
     - puh-LEASE. Put a steak down in fromt of your dog and see what she thinks then.  rd_kent   Oct-29-09 01:51 PM   #160 
  - Link to "The Meatrix" if anyone hasn't seen it yet.  Altoid_Cyclist   Oct-29-09 08:31 AM   #7 
  - You all need to read the article before you reply. It's not about eating meat.  fasttense   Oct-29-09 08:38 AM   #11 
  - problem is if we didnt factory farm, meat would cost a lot more, in cash and resources  vadawg   Oct-29-09 08:43 AM   #16 
  - Would meat really cost a lot more if we all bought from farmers?  fasttense   Oct-29-09 09:01 AM   #29 
  - yeah but imagine everyone else buying that same meat, the price will go up  vadawg   Oct-29-09 09:05 AM   #34 
  - I live in a rural town that;s leading the way in sustainable agriculture  cali   Oct-29-09 09:29 AM   #49 
  - 'down the road' for you would be a 2+ hour round trip for the majority  RaleighNCDUer   Oct-29-09 09:40 AM   #51 
  - But it's not really cheaper, it just seems that way  unpossibles   Oct-29-09 09:06 AM   #37 
  - Great response  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-29-09 09:14 AM   #41 
  - That's smug calling the kettle smug. nt  RaleighNCDUer   Oct-29-09 09:42 AM   #53 
     - spend twenty years with strangers making jokes and complaints about your diet  unpossibles   Oct-29-09 09:50 AM   #58 
        - +1 nt  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-29-09 10:03 AM   #62 
        - If you really didn't care, you wouldn't have posted,  RaleighNCDUer   Oct-29-09 10:42 AM   #64 
           - it's called having a conversation  unpossibles   Oct-29-09 11:53 AM   #88 
              - You're the one who said 'fuck off' - real conversational.  RaleighNCDUer   Oct-29-09 12:18 PM   #100 
                 - look, twenty years and a clean bill of health from my doctor tell me my diet is just fine  unpossibles   Oct-29-09 12:27 PM   #108 
                    - I applaud your efforts.  Ignis   Oct-29-09 10:09 PM   #237 
  - Learn To Plan Meals, and Cook  NashVegas   Oct-29-09 06:45 PM   #215 
     - Exactly.  diamidue   Oct-29-09 08:12 PM   #217 
     - A single serving of meat , according to the FDA is 2-3 oz.  Luminous Animal   Oct-29-09 09:56 PM   #234 
        - Even Better  NashVegas   Oct-30-09 12:54 PM   #248 
           - Nope. But I'll check her out.  Luminous Animal   Oct-30-09 01:57 PM   #251 
  - Thank you for reading the article  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-29-09 08:51 AM   #21 
  - Yes.  Ms. Toad   Oct-29-09 09:24 AM   #46 
  - You go on about this as if we weren't all aware of it already.  RaleighNCDUer   Oct-29-09 09:23 AM   #45 
  - We hate republicans telling us what's moral  Uben   Oct-29-09 08:40 AM   #12 
  - Try actually reading the article before you comment next time  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-29-09 08:53 AM   #23 
  - I think you missed the point  unpossibles   Oct-29-09 09:20 AM   #43 
  - Vegetarians are part of the problem too.  AllieB   Oct-29-09 08:40 AM   #14 
  - Problem?  Uben   Oct-29-09 08:53 AM   #22 
  - That is correct. I was just pointing put that no one is morally superior.  AllieB   Oct-29-09 09:04 AM   #32 
     - It seems to me that you are projecting a bit  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-29-09 09:12 AM   #40 
        - Obviously my post touches on factory farming, but there are many moralists on DU  AllieB   Oct-29-09 09:25 AM   #47 
  - sort of true, but most of that soy, corn, etc.  unpossibles   Oct-29-09 09:43 AM   #54 
  - Many well-informed omnivores also shop farmers markets and support local farmers.  AllieB   Oct-29-09 11:19 AM   #75 
     - Oh, I totally agree and apologize for implying they do not  unpossibles   Oct-29-09 12:16 PM   #99 
  - Again, the vast majority of monocrops are grown for animal feed.  yewberry   Oct-29-09 02:37 PM   #183 
     - No one's saying they aren't.  AllieB   Oct-29-09 04:25 PM   #198 
        - I'm not sure where the "all meat eaters are inherently evil" idea came in  yewberry   Oct-29-09 08:50 PM   #223 
           - Plenty of conscientious omnivores get attacked by the meat police on these threads.  AllieB   Oct-29-09 09:19 PM   #228 
              - I'm not saying you are wrong but I am challenging you to prove this...  Luminous Animal   Oct-29-09 10:00 PM   #236 
              - Petroleum used to ship, refridgeration of produce in those trucks, water used in big agriculture,  AllieB   Oct-30-09 07:28 AM   #243 
                 - Your saying so, isn't proof.  Luminous Animal   Oct-30-09 09:52 AM   #244 
              - "How is transporting a pound of wheat different than transporting a pound of beef?"  Ignis   Oct-30-09 02:14 PM   #252 
  - Sorry the eating plants is more efficient argument is bullshit  Beacho   Oct-29-09 09:01 AM   #28 
  - more than one study has shown that producing meat  unpossibles   Oct-29-09 09:45 AM   #55 
  - and 'some people say'  Beacho   Oct-29-09 11:21 AM   #76 
     - of course not all grazing land is suitable for crops  unpossibles   Oct-29-09 12:12 PM   #98 
        - Not fooling myself about anything  Beacho   Oct-29-09 05:58 PM   #208 
           - Great post.  AllieB   Oct-29-09 08:50 PM   #222 
           - fair enough but point by point  unpossibles   Oct-29-09 09:18 PM   #227 
              - Now, that's a great post!  Luminous Animal   Oct-29-09 10:13 PM   #238 
                 - thanks. It's a shame that the other person will likely just ignore me  unpossibles   Oct-30-09 12:49 PM   #245 
  - There are no "factories" producing plants. nt  Critters2   Oct-29-09 12:28 PM   #109 
     - But there are monocrops like soy, wheat, and corn that are devastating to ecosystems.  AllieB   Oct-29-09 12:53 PM   #126 
  - Today I'll Visit a Seasonal Farmers' Market  NashVegas   Oct-29-09 09:03 AM   #30 
  - Yawn.  Zavulon   Oct-29-09 09:16 AM   #42 
  - Yet another person who didnt read the article  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-29-09 09:58 AM   #59 
  - First of all, thank you for the post.  Altoid_Cyclist   Oct-29-09 11:28 AM   #77 
  - I will check out the Meatrix thanks for the link  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-29-09 11:47 AM   #83 
     - You're welcome.  Altoid_Cyclist   Oct-29-09 11:58 AM   #93 
  - I did read it, but thanks for your  Zavulon   Oct-30-09 11:32 PM   #253 
  - Hey, No Problem  NashVegas   Oct-29-09 12:48 PM   #121 
     - Everything's bad for you. That's what we're told. I'm going to take my chances  Zavulon   Oct-30-09 11:36 PM   #254 
  - Another animal rights thread to hide  tonysam   Oct-29-09 09:26 AM   #48 
  - You should probably hide all threads you comment on without reading  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-29-09 09:59 AM   #60 
  - K and R The less meat the better.... healthwise.  Smarmie Doofus   Oct-29-09 09:46 AM   #56 
  - Yes, factory farms suck. No question about it.  MineralMan   Oct-29-09 09:48 AM   #57 
  - We SERIOUSLY need a Face Palm icon.  Dogmudgeon   Oct-29-09 10:01 AM   #61 
  - Save a face palm for those  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-29-09 10:04 AM   #63 
  - Is this an attack on meat-eating or on factory farming? Poor title, I think.  Donald Ian Rankin   Oct-29-09 10:55 AM   #65 
  - The title of Foer's book is...  Luminous Animal   Oct-29-09 11:02 AM   #68 
  - It is Dr. Weill's title  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-29-09 11:06 AM   #71 
  - K&R  Luminous Animal   Oct-29-09 10:57 AM   #66 
  - I'm going to enjoy a nice rare, bloody pink fillet mignon tonight and love every bite.  NoodleyAppendage   Oct-29-09 10:58 AM   #67 
  - Another person who is functionally illiterate.  Luminous Animal   Oct-29-09 11:04 AM   #69 
  - You obviously didnt read the article  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-29-09 11:05 AM   #70 
     - No, it's actually about not eating meat. The destructive factory farms angle is just cover.  NoodleyAppendage   Oct-29-09 01:42 PM   #150 
        - +100  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-29-09 02:01 PM   #168 
        - He admits in the article that he eats fish twice a week  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-29-09 03:40 PM   #193 
  - Unrec for more PETA nonsense. n/t  ddeclue   Oct-29-09 11:29 AM   #79 
  - Please elaborate on the PETA nonsense.  Luminous Animal   Oct-29-09 11:31 AM   #80 
  - Now now, take it easy.  Altoid_Cyclist   Oct-29-09 11:54 AM   #90 
  - That's that poster's dumbass response to every thread on this topic.  flvegan   Oct-29-09 12:37 PM   #116 
     - "Dumbass."  superduperfarleft   Oct-29-09 01:23 PM   #142 
  - You obviously didnt read the article  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-29-09 11:49 AM   #86 
  - Doc Weil should go have a cheezburger and StFU.  cliffordu   Oct-29-09 11:35 AM   #81 
  - Another idiot who didnt read the article  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-29-09 11:51 AM   #87 
     - That's mister idiot to you.  cliffordu   Oct-29-09 11:55 AM   #91 
  - This post sure brought out  conscious evolution   Oct-29-09 11:49 AM   #84 
  - I love bacon.  yawnmaster   Oct-29-09 11:59 AM   #94 
  - Hey look  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-29-09 12:05 PM   #96 
     - Oh I read it. The entire piece. Even so, I still like bacon...  yawnmaster   Oct-29-09 12:20 PM   #102 
     - Alas... effort, comprehension and humanity  underseasurveyor   Oct-29-09 12:22 PM   #103 
  - question to farmers. What do you do with most of the male chicks that hatch?  yawnmaster   Oct-29-09 12:05 PM   #95 
  - Factory farming is twisted and un-necessarily cruel. And I eat meat. K&R  20score   Oct-29-09 12:11 PM   #97 
  - Thank you for your reply  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-29-09 12:19 PM   #101 
  - K&R  chatnoir   Oct-29-09 12:24 PM   #105 
  - How many lives to support one life?  skip fox   Oct-29-09 12:29 PM   #110 
  - I'm sure I have gone through many cows, pigs and chickens, in my life...  yawnmaster   Oct-29-09 12:34 PM   #115 
     - "yawnmaster" . . . very appropriate.  skip fox   Oct-29-09 12:44 PM   #117 
     - The type of response that you're replying to has cracked me up for some time.  flvegan   Oct-29-09 12:59 PM   #129 
        - When they start talking about "top of the food chain"...  superduperfarleft   Oct-29-09 01:25 PM   #143 
           - we are top of the food chain because of our use of tools, so you put me up against a lion  vadawg   Oct-29-09 01:48 PM   #159 
              - Stick to policing (scary thought) and leave biology to people who know what they're talking about.  superduperfarleft   Oct-29-09 01:52 PM   #161 
                 - not if im hungry and hes hungry and i have my aforementioned armoured vehicle  vadawg   Oct-29-09 01:56 PM   #163 
                 - "Whether you like it or not."  superduperfarleft   Oct-29-09 01:57 PM   #164 
                    - okay disprove what i said, tell me which animal is the #1 predator  vadawg   Oct-29-09 02:03 PM   #169 
                       - There's no such thing as a "#1 predator." That's why it's called a "web."  superduperfarleft   Oct-29-09 02:15 PM   #173 
                          - im sorry but if i want to spend the money i can go hunt anything and everything on the planet  vadawg   Oct-29-09 02:34 PM   #180 
                          - Alright, I'll give you that. Sure.  superduperfarleft   Oct-29-09 05:18 PM   #202 
                          - humans are the top predator. What species is the next? there may be more than one...  yawnmaster   Oct-29-09 02:46 PM   #187 
                             - RE: web  superduperfarleft   Oct-29-09 05:19 PM   #203 
                                - Huh? what is the point? how does whether a gazelle eats a lion depend on nomenclature?  yawnmaster   Oct-29-09 06:39 PM   #214 
                 - Nonsense.  RaleighNCDUer   Oct-29-09 02:43 PM   #186 
                    - nice! I like your expansion of the "web" analogy. eom  yawnmaster   Oct-29-09 02:47 PM   #189 
     - How many supermarkets filled with health alternatives to meat  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-29-09 03:43 PM   #194 
  - This article is implicitly about eating meat. It uses factory farming as the argument...  yawnmaster   Oct-29-09 12:30 PM   #113 
  - Good article.  flvegan   Oct-29-09 12:44 PM   #118 
  - Many of the juvenile responses are from those who may in the future  skip fox   Oct-29-09 12:49 PM   #122 
     - lol so only juveniles eat meat, id say its usually the juveniles who cry that everyone dosent think  vadawg   Oct-29-09 12:51 PM   #125 
     - No, going into a thread where people are discussing the environmental impact of diet  superduperfarleft   Oct-29-09 01:21 PM   #140 
     - no pointing out that for some reason these threads always make you want steak is pointing out a  vadawg   Oct-29-09 01:40 PM   #147 
        - Surrrreee.....  superduperfarleft   Oct-29-09 01:41 PM   #149 
           - no was just pointing out that the thread suddenly made me want steak  vadawg   Oct-29-09 01:43 PM   #151 
              - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-29-09 01:47 PM   #158 
     - Simple reading would have alerted you to the fact that I wrote  skip fox   Oct-29-09 02:00 PM   #166 
     - Simple reading would have alerted you to the fact that I wrote  skip fox   Oct-29-09 02:01 PM   #167 
     - I didn't eat meat for over 10 years.  AllieB   Oct-29-09 01:00 PM   #130 
  - Wonderful article Thanks for posting.  Xenotime   Oct-29-09 12:54 PM   #127 
  - So how about my two parrots? They eat MEAT  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-29-09 01:02 PM   #131 
  - PUT THEM TO DEATH!  kenny blankenship   Oct-29-09 02:35 PM   #181 
     - A week ago it would not have been funny  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-29-09 05:16 PM   #201 
        - I am truly sorry.  kenny blankenship   Oct-29-09 05:32 PM   #205 
           - No worries, good thing the conure does not read  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-29-09 06:09 PM   #210 
  - Government is supposed to enforce sanitary & humane factory farm conditions. n/t  philly_bob   Oct-29-09 01:11 PM   #135 
  - In the UK most supermarkets sell none factory farm meat.  jenniferj   Oct-29-09 01:21 PM   #139 
  - At least you understand and are trying to stay away from factory farmed meat.  AllieB   Oct-29-09 01:59 PM   #165 
     - I was shown videos of animal cruelty in middle school  jenniferj   Oct-29-09 03:47 PM   #195 
  - "bushels of baby chicks, alive and cheeping, dumped into a grinder."  Occam Bandage   Oct-29-09 01:33 PM   #145 
  - lol yes your sick, but it does sound like a comedy skit...  vadawg   Oct-29-09 01:38 PM   #146 
  - I thought that was how they made McDonald's Chicken Nuggets. Mmmmm...good eatin' n/t  NoodleyAppendage   Oct-29-09 01:45 PM   #153 
  - As gruesome as it seems, I believe that dropping the chicks into a proper grinder is actually...  yawnmaster   Oct-29-09 02:54 PM   #190 
  - Here's the video--it's real comedy gold.  QC   Oct-29-09 03:35 PM   #192 
     - Is there any evidence that this a slower or more painful way to kill them  JonQ   Oct-29-09 03:50 PM   #197 
  - We need meat, we like meat, the population is too high, so this is the only way  rd_kent   Oct-29-09 01:45 PM   #155 
  - I HATE factory farms, why I grow my own meat, or eat from friend's cow.  uppityperson   Oct-29-09 01:54 PM   #162 
  - But that's just too logical.  AllieB   Oct-29-09 02:10 PM   #171 
  - Mr. President: STOP THIS EVIL DOER!  kenny blankenship   Oct-29-09 02:03 PM   #170 
  - Better watch out for the evil meat eaters!  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-29-09 02:13 PM   #172 
  - what's funny is, if we humans ate the amount of meat chimps do  unpossibles   Oct-29-09 04:50 PM   #199 
     - Wow who would expect that I have almost the same  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-29-09 05:46 PM   #207 
        - you chase down and kill monkeys with your bare hands then eat them raw?  unpossibles   Oct-29-09 08:40 PM   #219 
           - Yep. Then I drink their blood!!!11!  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-29-09 09:39 PM   #233 
  - Animals dont have supermarkets full of healty and tasty alternatives to meat consumption  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-29-09 03:31 PM   #191 
  - is it possible to address the sickening reality of factory farming?  G_j   Oct-29-09 02:15 PM   #174 
  - Jokes as a way to dull any feeling  chatnoir   Oct-29-09 02:21 PM   #177 
  - well, the situation is a very real.  G_j   Oct-29-09 06:11 PM   #211 
  - I think it's that jokes make them feel less guilty.  Coventina   Oct-29-09 05:03 PM   #200 
  - "Rome's a-burnin'? I'mma get mah fiddle!"  Ignis   Oct-29-09 09:38 PM   #232 
  - Grass-fed freezer meet.  izzybeans   Oct-29-09 02:19 PM   #175 
  - I have moral qualms about eating meat, but I feel so unhealthy if I don't  Romulox   Oct-29-09 02:33 PM   #179 
  - I can not tolerate factory farming, at is disgusting and evil  and-justice-for-all   Oct-29-09 03:49 PM   #196 
  - raised in windowless jails? Why resort to hand wringing?  backwoodsbob   Oct-29-09 05:31 PM   #204 
  - Just because there aren't factory farms where you live  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-29-09 06:11 PM   #212 
  - STUPID ALERT!  deaniac21   Oct-29-09 05:33 PM   #206 
  - If you eat meat, it's best to make sure it's local farm raised...  Danger Mouse   Oct-29-09 06:02 PM   #209 
  - We can thank the spread of H1N1 on factory farms  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-29-09 06:13 PM   #213 
  - I love meat as much as anybody...and I really should be better about this...  Danger Mouse   Oct-29-09 08:01 PM   #216 
  - Yes, but  diamidue   Oct-29-09 08:21 PM   #218 
     - It depends on the farm.  AllieB   Oct-29-09 08:47 PM   #221 
  - I stop eating animals in my teens - to each their own  keep_it_real   Oct-29-09 08:46 PM   #220 
  - I love meat.  bigwillq   Oct-29-09 08:59 PM   #224 

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