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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-28-09 08:41 AM
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4. The FACT that if WE lead, the critters will follow. nt
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  -To all of you DU'ers who think we should have gone for single payer ... andit had a chance Windy  Oct-28-09 08:32 AM   #0 
  - If the Democratic leaders had any backbone  tekisui   Oct-28-09 08:36 AM   #1 
  - We will never know will we windy since the WH and many in congress had weak backbones  joeycola   Oct-28-09 08:40 AM   #2 
  - Errrr. Try again. It's not their constituents. It's the campaign contribs that bribe them N/T  Shagbark Hickory   Oct-28-09 08:40 AM   #3 
  - Voters (constituents) share some blame. They don't pay attention to who owns 'their' reps to D.C.  havocmom   Oct-28-09 09:03 AM   #7 
     - Exactly!!! Excellent Summary!!! The propaganda and misinformation in this...  RKP5637   Oct-28-09 09:20 AM   #10 
     - They share a LOT of blame, IMO. (nt)  redqueen   Oct-28-09 10:44 AM   #45 
     - Who "owns" Obama and the White House?  bvar22   Oct-28-09 11:40 AM   #49 
  - The FACT that if WE lead, the critters will follow. nt  LaydeeBug   Oct-28-09 08:41 AM   #4 
  - You are divorced from reality.  Windy   Oct-28-09 08:57 AM   #5 
  - And you crack yourself up to be an omniscient DEMAGOGUE.  LaydeeBug   Oct-28-09 05:20 PM   #59 
  - Absolutely True if lobbyists and corporate influence/control were eliminated. n/t  RKP5637   Oct-28-09 12:37 PM   #54 
  - You know what, Windy?  enlightenment   Oct-28-09 09:01 AM   #6 
  - +infinity!  Roland99   Oct-28-09 09:20 AM   #9 
  - !  Bluenorthwest   Oct-28-09 09:27 AM   #12 
  - ^ this  jtrockville   Oct-28-09 09:32 AM   #14 
  - Of course it didn't have a snowballs chance in hell of passing - right from the git-go  HughMoran   Oct-28-09 09:39 AM   #17 
  - +1 Building in a 30% to 50% inefficiency into our system WHILE...  Junkdrawer   Oct-28-09 09:39 AM   #18 
  - "It is impossible to say, ... if it would have had a chance, had it been given a fair hearing ..."  redqueen   Oct-28-09 10:33 AM   #38 
  - infinity+1  spiritual_gunfighter   Oct-28-09 10:35 AM   #41 
  - There may be no "proof" single payer could be achieved  ipaint   Oct-28-09 09:09 AM   #8 
  - They screwed the pooch by coming hat in hand  Bluenorthwest   Oct-28-09 09:23 AM   #11 
  - The Mafia could have gotten it done. Things get done when you're motivated.  valerief   Oct-28-09 09:30 AM   #13 
  - You're right  HughMoran   Oct-28-09 09:35 AM   #15 
  - the public option in its current form is unacceptable.  tomp   Oct-28-09 09:37 AM   #16 
  - yes, what an obnoxious post  HughMoran   Oct-28-09 09:43 AM   #21 
     - wow, so clever. nt  tomp   Oct-28-09 05:17 PM   #58 
  - You're exactly right. It's almost impossible to vote to take away stuff from people  HamdenRice   Oct-28-09 09:40 AM   #19 
  - The point was to start the debate further to the left. Not to give up a bargaining chip before  Captain Hilts   Oct-28-09 09:40 AM   #20 
  - I disagree. That would have been a disaster.  HamdenRice   Oct-28-09 09:45 AM   #22 
     - It would have been a failure of epic proportions  HughMoran   Oct-28-09 09:57 AM   #25 
     - It would have been town hall/teabaggers ^2 nt  HamdenRice   Oct-28-09 10:02 AM   #30 
     - I was scared that insurance companies had a seat at the table. Only SP would have balanced that. nt  Captain Hilts   Oct-28-09 09:59 AM   #26 
     - At least Obama never said he would do it differently when campaigning  HughMoran   Oct-28-09 10:17 AM   #34 
        - And the WH made the secret agreement with PhRMA last summer, and now PhRMA is biting them  Captain Hilts   Oct-28-09 10:34 AM   #39 
           - I see 90% pro-reform ads in my area  HughMoran   Oct-28-09 10:39 AM   #43 
              - I don't have television right now, so I have no clue how that campaign is going. nt  Captain Hilts   Oct-28-09 10:41 AM   # 
     - Yes, Hamden, we're currently watching how  enlightenment   Oct-28-09 10:51 AM   #46 
  - Starting from a compromised position (the public option)  CrispyQ   Oct-28-09 09:46 AM   #23 
  - Your logic makes a lot of sense to me!!! n/t  RKP5637   Oct-28-09 09:59 AM   #27 
  - We wouldn't have started the debate at SP, but if Ins. companies were at the table, SP advocates  Captain Hilts   Oct-28-09 10:00 AM   #28 
  - EXACTLY! nt  grahamhgreen   Oct-28-09 10:19 AM   #35 
  - I believe you start out with a progressive position, not a conservative position  mmonk   Oct-28-09 09:51 AM   #24 
  - unrec  Nikki Stone1   Oct-28-09 10:02 AM   #29 
  - Instead of blaming single payer advocates for Obama's inability to consider all solutions,  John Q. Citizen   Oct-28-09 10:08 AM   #31 
  - Even if we started with the PO, look at the message we sent to the for profit...  slipslidingaway   Oct-28-09 10:14 AM   #32 
  - WRONG! You start with single payer and NEGOTIATE to PAY OR PAY CRAPSURANCE! DUH!  grahamhgreen   Oct-28-09 10:16 AM   #33 
  - Over 60% of the people wanted a national system similar to Medicare...  slipslidingaway   Oct-28-09 10:20 AM   #36 
  - What would you have told the 40% who didn't want it?  HamdenRice   Oct-28-09 10:37 AM   #42 
     - You sell the idea instead of silencing it - the Dec 2007 poll showed 65%  slipslidingaway   Oct-28-09 10:58 AM   #47 
  - agreed. it was never politically viable out of the gate  BREMPRO   Oct-28-09 10:28 AM   #37 
  - I think we should have gone for it... but I know it never had a chance.  redqueen   Oct-28-09 10:35 AM   #40 
  - But why is their support for a PO? Mostly because it was marketed to the people...  slipslidingaway   Oct-28-09 11:41 AM   #50 
  - And don't forget that single payer is a stupid idea anyway...  TreasonousBastard   Oct-28-09 10:41 AM   #44 
  - it's about leadership  paulk   Oct-28-09 11:05 AM   #48 
  - Policy is set from the top and at the outset those who challenged the For Profit...  slipslidingaway   Oct-28-09 11:42 AM   #51 
  - "He never even tried."  CrispyQ   Oct-28-09 03:11 PM   #56 
     - Sadly..  sendero   Oct-28-09 05:45 PM   #60 
  - Already making excuses....  bvar22   Oct-28-09 12:08 PM   #52 
  - How do you prove a negative?  rucky   Oct-28-09 12:10 PM   #53 
  - Blah blah blah, liberals are stupid, don't blame Obama, blah blah blah  PVnRT   Oct-28-09 01:19 PM   #55 
  - Blue Dogs are the only reason the Dems control both houses of Congress  NNN0LHI   Oct-28-09 03:17 PM   #57 
  - I want all that corporations don't  mdmc   Nov-01-09 01:50 PM   #61 
  - It still does have a chance.  Laelth   Nov-01-09 02:06 PM   #62 
  - "Try the constituents of their states that elect them! "  Tippy   Nov-01-09 02:36 PM   #63 

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