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Wed Oct-28-09 08:41 AM
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| 4. The FACT that if WE lead, the critters will follow. nt |
| -To all of you DU'ers who think we should have gone for single payer ... andit had a chance |
Windy |
Oct-28-09 08:32 AM |
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If the Democratic leaders had any backbone |
tekisui |
Oct-28-09 08:36 AM |
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We will never know will we windy since the WH and many in congress had weak backbones |
joeycola |
Oct-28-09 08:40 AM |
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Errrr. Try again. It's not their constituents. It's the campaign contribs that bribe them N/T |
Shagbark Hickory |
Oct-28-09 08:40 AM |
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Voters (constituents) share some blame. They don't pay attention to who owns 'their' reps to D.C. |
havocmom |
Oct-28-09 09:03 AM |
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Exactly!!! Excellent Summary!!! The propaganda and misinformation in this... |
RKP5637 |
Oct-28-09 09:20 AM |
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They share a LOT of blame, IMO. (nt) |
redqueen |
Oct-28-09 10:44 AM |
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Who "owns" Obama and the White House? |
bvar22 |
Oct-28-09 11:40 AM |
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The FACT that if WE lead, the critters will follow. nt |
LaydeeBug |
Oct-28-09 08:41 AM |
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You are divorced from reality. |
Windy |
Oct-28-09 08:57 AM |
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And you crack yourself up to be an omniscient DEMAGOGUE. |
LaydeeBug |
Oct-28-09 05:20 PM |
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Absolutely True if lobbyists and corporate influence/control were eliminated. n/t |
RKP5637 |
Oct-28-09 12:37 PM |
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You know what, Windy? |
enlightenment |
Oct-28-09 09:01 AM |
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+infinity! |
Roland99 |
Oct-28-09 09:20 AM |
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! |
Bluenorthwest |
Oct-28-09 09:27 AM |
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^ this |
jtrockville |
Oct-28-09 09:32 AM |
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Of course it didn't have a snowballs chance in hell of passing - right from the git-go |
HughMoran |
Oct-28-09 09:39 AM |
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+1 Building in a 30% to 50% inefficiency into our system WHILE... |
Junkdrawer |
Oct-28-09 09:39 AM |
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"It is impossible to say, ... if it would have had a chance, had it been given a fair hearing ..." |
redqueen |
Oct-28-09 10:33 AM |
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infinity+1 |
spiritual_gunfighter |
Oct-28-09 10:35 AM |
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There may be no "proof" single payer could be achieved |
ipaint |
Oct-28-09 09:09 AM |
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They screwed the pooch by coming hat in hand |
Bluenorthwest |
Oct-28-09 09:23 AM |
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The Mafia could have gotten it done. Things get done when you're motivated. |
valerief |
Oct-28-09 09:30 AM |
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You're right |
HughMoran |
Oct-28-09 09:35 AM |
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the public option in its current form is unacceptable. |
tomp |
Oct-28-09 09:37 AM |
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yes, what an obnoxious post |
HughMoran |
Oct-28-09 09:43 AM |
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wow, so clever. nt |
tomp |
Oct-28-09 05:17 PM |
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You're exactly right. It's almost impossible to vote to take away stuff from people |
HamdenRice |
Oct-28-09 09:40 AM |
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The point was to start the debate further to the left. Not to give up a bargaining chip before |
Captain Hilts |
Oct-28-09 09:40 AM |
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I disagree. That would have been a disaster. |
HamdenRice |
Oct-28-09 09:45 AM |
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It would have been a failure of epic proportions |
HughMoran |
Oct-28-09 09:57 AM |
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It would have been town hall/teabaggers ^2 nt |
HamdenRice |
Oct-28-09 10:02 AM |
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I was scared that insurance companies had a seat at the table. Only SP would have balanced that. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Oct-28-09 09:59 AM |
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At least Obama never said he would do it differently when campaigning |
HughMoran |
Oct-28-09 10:17 AM |
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And the WH made the secret agreement with PhRMA last summer, and now PhRMA is biting them |
Captain Hilts |
Oct-28-09 10:34 AM |
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I see 90% pro-reform ads in my area |
HughMoran |
Oct-28-09 10:39 AM |
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I don't have television right now, so I have no clue how that campaign is going. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Oct-28-09 10:41 AM |
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Yes, Hamden, we're currently watching how |
enlightenment |
Oct-28-09 10:51 AM |
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Starting from a compromised position (the public option) |
CrispyQ |
Oct-28-09 09:46 AM |
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Your logic makes a lot of sense to me!!! n/t |
RKP5637 |
Oct-28-09 09:59 AM |
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We wouldn't have started the debate at SP, but if Ins. companies were at the table, SP advocates |
Captain Hilts |
Oct-28-09 10:00 AM |
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EXACTLY! nt |
grahamhgreen |
Oct-28-09 10:19 AM |
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I believe you start out with a progressive position, not a conservative position |
mmonk |
Oct-28-09 09:51 AM |
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unrec |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-28-09 10:02 AM |
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Instead of blaming single payer advocates for Obama's inability to consider all solutions, |
John Q. Citizen |
Oct-28-09 10:08 AM |
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Even if we started with the PO, look at the message we sent to the for profit... |
slipslidingaway |
Oct-28-09 10:14 AM |
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WRONG! You start with single payer and NEGOTIATE to PAY OR PAY CRAPSURANCE! DUH! |
grahamhgreen |
Oct-28-09 10:16 AM |
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Over 60% of the people wanted a national system similar to Medicare... |
slipslidingaway |
Oct-28-09 10:20 AM |
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What would you have told the 40% who didn't want it? |
HamdenRice |
Oct-28-09 10:37 AM |
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You sell the idea instead of silencing it - the Dec 2007 poll showed 65% |
slipslidingaway |
Oct-28-09 10:58 AM |
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agreed. it was never politically viable out of the gate |
BREMPRO |
Oct-28-09 10:28 AM |
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I think we should have gone for it... but I know it never had a chance. |
redqueen |
Oct-28-09 10:35 AM |
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But why is their support for a PO? Mostly because it was marketed to the people... |
slipslidingaway |
Oct-28-09 11:41 AM |
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And don't forget that single payer is a stupid idea anyway... |
TreasonousBastard |
Oct-28-09 10:41 AM |
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it's about leadership |
paulk |
Oct-28-09 11:05 AM |
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Policy is set from the top and at the outset those who challenged the For Profit... |
slipslidingaway |
Oct-28-09 11:42 AM |
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"He never even tried." |
CrispyQ |
Oct-28-09 03:11 PM |
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Sadly.. |
sendero |
Oct-28-09 05:45 PM |
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Already making excuses.... |
bvar22 |
Oct-28-09 12:08 PM |
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How do you prove a negative? |
rucky |
Oct-28-09 12:10 PM |
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Blah blah blah, liberals are stupid, don't blame Obama, blah blah blah |
PVnRT |
Oct-28-09 01:19 PM |
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Blue Dogs are the only reason the Dems control both houses of Congress |
NNN0LHI |
Oct-28-09 03:17 PM |
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I want all that corporations don't |
mdmc |
Nov-01-09 01:50 PM |
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It still does have a chance. |
Laelth |
Nov-01-09 02:06 PM |
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"Try the constituents of their states that elect them! " |
Tippy |
Nov-01-09 02:36 PM |
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