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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-17-07 10:27 PM
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15. I see your point
Good point.

It isn't the gun, it's lawlessness and culturally accepted mental illness.
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  -What noone seems to want to talk about. beevul  Apr-17-07 10:16 PM   #0 
  - Except that during the 99.99% of the time no school shootings are taking place  jpgray   Apr-17-07 10:17 PM   #1 
  - Shut up logic man  GirlinContempt   Apr-17-07 10:19 PM   #6 
  - Maybe. There are a lot of times where I'm in public places without gun-restrictions...  JVS   Apr-17-07 10:37 PM   #23 
     - Just because you don't get shot  GirlinContempt   Apr-17-07 10:39 PM   #25 
        - and just because the piece of metal isn't allowed doesn't mean that it won't show up  JVS   Apr-17-07 10:41 PM   #28 
           - Of course it won't totally stop them from showing up  GirlinContempt   Apr-17-07 10:42 PM   #29 
              - The thing is, I've been in a lot of classes and never seen any heat of the moment kind of stuff.  JVS   Apr-17-07 10:50 PM   #33 
                 - I'm not talking about in the classroom  GirlinContempt   Apr-17-07 10:52 PM   #34 
                    - It seems safer on your campus, but my campus operates...  JVS   Apr-17-07 10:57 PM   #38 
                       - So, having guns isn't safer?  GirlinContempt   Apr-17-07 10:59 PM   #41 
                          - that's not it exactly  JVS   Apr-17-07 11:05 PM   #42 
                             - I didn't mean to say they WOULD  GirlinContempt   Apr-17-07 11:07 PM   #45 
                                - See, I don't think that there would be a significant differece...  JVS   Apr-17-07 11:11 PM   #46 
                                   - I dunno about that.  GirlinContempt   Apr-17-07 11:17 PM   #48 
  - If you were allowed to bring a gun to enginnering class, would you bring it? NT  Eric J in MN   Apr-17-07 10:17 PM   #2 
  - I think if he had just gotten stoned, he never would have done it.  Bornaginhooligan   Apr-17-07 10:18 PM   #3 
  - Honestly, that's a great point.  InternalDialogue   Apr-17-07 11:06 PM   #43 
  - Are you saying that the "gun free school zone"  Quakerfriend   Apr-17-07 10:19 PM   #4 
  - It for sure made it POSSIBLE  karlrschneider   Apr-17-07 10:27 PM   #14 
  - Maybe increase the number of armed cops/security guards on campuses?  Kerrytravelers   Apr-17-07 10:19 PM   #5 
  - That makes too much sense.  GirlinContempt   Apr-17-07 10:19 PM   #7 
  - Wouldn't you just end up...  Bornaginhooligan   Apr-17-07 10:28 PM   #16 
  - That's a very real possibility. I hadn't considered that.  Kerrytravelers   Apr-17-07 11:32 PM   #50 
     - Guns and tasers are diff, and campus cops  jcrew2001   Apr-18-07 12:44 PM   #58 
  - That and paying attention when students are practically screaming "help me, I've got real problems!"  AZBlue   Apr-17-07 10:32 PM   #20 
  - But where are we going to find security guards that are trained for $5.15/hr  JVS   Apr-17-07 10:39 PM   #24 
     - Well, Joe Friday on PCP wasn't exactly what I suggested...  Kerrytravelers   Apr-17-07 11:34 PM   # 
  - Do you really think Cho would have NOT shot up VT  flying_monkeys   Apr-17-07 10:20 PM   #8 
  - I pay 40 K for school and expect campus police  jcrew2001   Apr-18-07 12:46 PM   #59 
  - the freedoms you are so bent making sure are provided  Wickerman   Apr-17-07 10:23 PM   #9 
  - There's no way to guard against a madman  Warpy   Apr-17-07 10:23 PM   #10 
  - Hope who gets some help?  oberliner   Apr-17-07 10:25 PM   #13 
  - And If We Allowed Guns On Planes  iamjoy   Apr-17-07 10:24 PM   #11 
  - I have a question for you: If you were on a plane being hijacked AND you had a gun,  karlrschneider   Apr-17-07 10:29 PM   #17 
     - I, for one, would open fire  Alcibiades   Apr-17-07 11:16 PM   #47 
     - Absolutely Not - Who Would?  iamjoy   Apr-18-07 07:51 AM   #53 
        - The hostage won't die first if you shoot the fucker in the face.  MrSlayer   Apr-18-07 08:16 AM   #55 
        - You Make A Lot Of Assumptions  iamjoy   Apr-18-07 06:32 PM   #60 
        - To save a whole planeload. Fuckin' A.  karlrschneider   Apr-18-07 12:39 PM   #57 
  - Campuses do have normally both police and security guards  Erika   Apr-17-07 10:24 PM   #12 
  - I grew up in Kennesaw, GA - where you have to own a GUN.....  cdsilv   Apr-17-07 10:48 PM   #30 
  - I see your point  havocmom   Apr-17-07 10:27 PM   #15 
  - lets see, books-check, slide rule, check, compass, check,  chimpsrsmarter   Apr-17-07 10:31 PM   #18 
  - This guy was fuckin nuts. It would not have mattered if the whole campus  tularetom   Apr-17-07 10:32 PM   #19 
  - Why guns? A couple of baseball bats would do just as well.  The_Casual_Observer   Apr-17-07 10:33 PM   #21 
  - Tuition should include a bullet proof vest. I'd skip it and say I'll keep my money,  John Q. Citizen   Apr-17-07 10:33 PM   #22 
  - I suppose the twin towers played a part in 9/11, too.  lynyrd_skynyrd   Apr-17-07 10:40 PM   #26 
  - Interesting stats I just heard regarding college student deaths :  bullwinkle428   Apr-17-07 10:40 PM   #27 
  - Great post. These stats show where the real problems are  Erika   Apr-17-07 10:49 PM   #32 
     - It was a literal jaw-dropper for me -  bullwinkle428   Apr-17-07 10:54 PM   #36 
        - yes, we need to get these stats out far and wide! n/t  Erika   Apr-17-07 10:57 PM   #39 
  - Replying to you all up to post 18.  beevul   Apr-17-07 10:49 PM   #31 
  - 1,000 suicides, 2,000 alcohol poisonings a year  Erika   Apr-17-07 10:55 PM   #37 
     - And, of course, guns enable many of those suicides  Alcibiades   Apr-17-07 11:34 PM   #51 
  - And Football stadiums, and public places to eat...and  MadMaddie   Apr-17-07 10:53 PM   #35 
  - What? We want to go back to Dodge City before Wyatt Earp took over?  IChing   Apr-17-07 10:58 PM   #40 
  - Other people have pointed this out as well  jollyreaper2112   Apr-17-07 11:07 PM   #44 
  - I am damned sick and tired of people starting the same damned thread over and over and over  frogcycle   Apr-17-07 11:21 PM   #49 
  - My son was attacked last month, he was walking down an unlit path  AuntPatsy   Apr-17-07 11:38 PM   #52 
  - So you think every college student should be armed? That is insanity.  WinkyDink   Apr-18-07 07:54 AM   #54 
  - Yep arming everyone works Baghdad  Toots   Apr-18-07 08:18 AM   #56 
  - Apparently, you guys arent reading.  beevul   Apr-18-07 06:48 PM   #61 

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