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Sun Oct-25-09 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #37 |
| 41. They don't work seamlessly |
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People starve because they can't afford food--but you get your money.
People freeze to death because they can't afford their oil--but you get your money.
These ventures have always held risks. It was part of the business of farming and oil production. Now, the government pays the farmers NOT to grow and the oil folks not to produce and they still have their futures. It is a win/win situation for the people at the top of the food chain--not so glorious at the bottom and look at the price we ALL paid so you could get "yours". Then to have to sit and watch you talk about capitalism when you want ALL the benefit without none of the risk is sickening.
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| -What is the main purpose or goal of capitalism?? |
kentuck |
Oct-24-09 11:19 PM |
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It's based on the scottish enlightenment view that individuals should be in charge... |
Writer |
Oct-24-09 11:22 PM |
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That is basically a pure concept of freedom... |
kentuck |
Oct-24-09 11:25 PM |
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It means capitalism reduced down or reinterpreted in such a way that it doesn't really... |
Writer |
Oct-24-09 11:29 PM |
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Yep. |
kentuck |
Oct-24-09 11:31 PM |
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neither |
paulsby |
Oct-24-09 11:23 PM |
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But there has to be a sheriff ? |
kentuck |
Oct-24-09 11:30 PM |
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of course |
paulsby |
Oct-24-09 11:32 PM |
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I agree... |
kentuck |
Oct-24-09 11:35 PM |
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All "value" is subjective.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-24-09 11:43 PM |
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exactly right |
paulsby |
Oct-24-09 11:49 PM |
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Of course, people like to be paid for their labor? |
kentuck |
Oct-24-09 11:55 PM |
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first of all |
paulsby |
Oct-25-09 12:01 AM |
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And Also, Sir, Vulnerable To Hysteria, Manipulations, and 'Corners'.... |
The Magistrate |
Oct-25-09 12:03 AM |
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of course |
paulsby |
Oct-25-09 12:06 AM |
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And Thus, Sir, You Expose The Great Difficulty Of The Arrangement |
The Magistrate |
Oct-25-09 12:13 AM |
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you fail to understand how futures work |
paulsby |
Oct-25-09 12:23 AM |
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And how does this magnificent market handle surpluses and shortages? |
kentuck |
Oct-25-09 12:39 AM |
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it handles them quite well |
paulsby |
Oct-25-09 12:42 AM |
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like the present swine-flu vaccine? |
kentuck |
Oct-25-09 12:46 AM |
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They don't work seamlessly |
Horse with no Name |
Oct-25-09 12:42 AM |
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My Lack Of Understanding, Sir, Is Legend |
The Magistrate |
Oct-25-09 01:20 AM |
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Well said, Magistrate. |
kentuck |
Oct-25-09 12:35 AM |
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The problem with subjective value is that subjectivism is so vulnerable to manipulation.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-24-09 11:59 PM |
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Right on Fumesucker... |
kentuck |
Oct-25-09 12:02 AM |
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but that;s a good thing |
paulsby |
Oct-25-09 12:03 AM |
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But the manipulation of public perception has become a sophisticated science.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-25-09 12:19 AM |
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But the entire foundation of our democracy.... |
kentuck |
Oct-25-09 12:44 AM |
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At one time the manipulation was on an ad hoc "seat of the pants" basis.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-25-09 12:55 AM |
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You Mis-Understand, Sir, The 'Labor Theory' Of Value |
The Magistrate |
Oct-24-09 11:52 PM |
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Thank you, Sir. |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-25-09 01:48 AM |
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What We Are Dealing with Here, My Friend, is Un-digested Heinlein-ism.... |
The Magistrate |
Oct-25-09 01:55 AM |
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Grok |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-25-09 02:08 AM |
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"labor necessary for these increases in value must be paid somewhat less than the value that labor" |
Oregone |
Oct-25-09 02:22 AM |
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Capitalisms main concern isn't if a hole is of less value than a piece of art |
Oregone |
Oct-25-09 01:43 AM |
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To enrich shareholders... |
targetpractice |
Oct-24-09 11:24 PM |
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Bingo. nt |
valerief |
Oct-24-09 11:29 PM |
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We don't have capitalism right now |
AllentownJake |
Oct-24-09 11:31 PM |
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I think we may need some sort of "contractual democracy"? |
kentuck |
Oct-24-09 11:34 PM |
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Shit will have to hit the fan before anything changes |
AllentownJake |
Oct-24-09 11:41 PM |
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A lot of shit will have to hit a big fan... |
kentuck |
Oct-24-09 11:42 PM |
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People are still holding onto their pre-crash ideologies |
AllentownJake |
Oct-24-09 11:48 PM |
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And those holding most tightly to their pre-crash ideologies... |
kentuck |
Oct-24-09 11:58 PM |
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I'm part of that group |
AllentownJake |
Oct-25-09 12:02 AM |
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I might have guessed. |
kentuck |
Oct-25-09 12:51 AM |
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I do |
AllentownJake |
Oct-25-09 12:58 AM |
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delete |
kentuck |
Oct-24-09 11:58 PM |
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To have the poor assist the wealthy by shoveling the |
Horse with no Name |
Oct-24-09 11:42 PM |
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Does capitalism have no compassion? |
kentuck |
Oct-24-09 11:44 PM |
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No and No. |
Horse with no Name |
Oct-24-09 11:47 PM |
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Would healthcare be considered a part of our capitalism? |
kentuck |
Oct-24-09 11:50 PM |
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Yes. Because we have allowed healthcare to become another for-profit industry |
Horse with no Name |
Oct-24-09 11:57 PM |
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Very well said.. |
kentuck |
Oct-25-09 12:54 AM |
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It is an economic system based on competition.which left to its |
OHdem10 |
Oct-24-09 11:55 PM |
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Absolutely! |
kentuck |
Oct-25-09 12:57 AM |
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Competition is not inherent to a capitalistic system |
Oregone |
Oct-25-09 02:00 AM |
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"...a caste system" ? |
kentuck |
Oct-25-09 02:56 AM |
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Perhaps it does, |
Oregone |
Oct-25-09 03:12 AM |
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Only, Sir, While Those Benefiting Most Are Concerned To Maintain a Cloak Of Democracy About Them |
The Magistrate |
Oct-25-09 03:17 AM |
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Very interesting, Magistrate. |
kentuck |
Oct-25-09 03:46 AM |
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To accumulate capital of course. nt |
anonymous171 |
Oct-25-09 12:49 AM |
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it is amoral, so it only helps those who help themselves--to as much as possible. |
yurbud |
Oct-25-09 01:54 AM |
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Rich get richer, fuck you and me - and everyone else. |
old mark |
Oct-25-09 02:17 AM |
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