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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:05 PM
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15. The Polish "objection" shows where this leads...
Incitement to violence is already amply covered by the law. Now what qualifies as trivializing Stalinism, as the decidely right-wing nationalist Polish government would define it? What if you fail to support some right-winger's inflated estimate of how many victims Stalin claimed, does that become a crime? What about denying the crimes of the Inquisition? I have met people in Europe - leftists - who would like to criminalize 9/11 skepticism! If you start specifying which speech is criminal - you'll end up with everything either prohibited or compulsory. I can see this for Germany alone and its very own Nazi genocide, but one step beyond that and you're on the slippery slope. This isn't a European question, either - it's about the most basic of political rights for all people: to say really stupid and objectionable things, if you believe them, without fearing prosecution and imprisonment.
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  -EU aims to criminalise Holocaust denial Robson  Apr-17-07 09:34 PM   #0 
  - Disagree.  Matsubara   Apr-17-07 09:36 PM   #1 
  - I think that since it was Europe that suffered the direct impact of the  NCevilDUer   Apr-17-07 09:52 PM   #2 
  - Given their *specific* history, it's not inappropriate.  BlooInBloo   Apr-17-07 09:55 PM   #3 
  - Yet we're SO close to criminalizing non-PC speech in this country. n/t  DCKit   Apr-17-07 10:24 PM   #4 
  - Aaaah.... the clarion-call of racism enablers and defenders.  BlooInBloo   Apr-17-07 10:27 PM   #5 
  - Sorry, I'm just not so far to the left yet that I believe that anyone who doesn't share my opinions  DCKit   Apr-17-07 10:42 PM   #6 
     - Free speech isn't "left vs. right". It's "state control vs. libertarianism".  Alexander   Apr-17-07 10:49 PM   #9 
        - The question is tolerance vs. intolerance  Robson   Apr-18-07 08:00 AM   #11 
  - Don't criminalize thought!  Slyder   Apr-17-07 10:44 PM   #7 
  - EU does not have our Bill of Rights guaranteeing free speech.  Alexander   Apr-17-07 10:47 PM   #8 
  - Parts of Europe have tolerated speech  JustABozoOnThisBus   Apr-18-07 08:18 AM   #12 
  - I agree with Poland  Crunchy Frog   Apr-17-07 11:01 PM   #10 
  - Not quite happening: "only if the effect is incitement to violence or hatred"  muriel_volestrangler   Apr-19-07 11:13 AM   #13 
  - Thanks for update  Robson   Apr-19-07 09:51 PM   #14 
  - The Polish "objection" shows where this leads...  JackRiddler   Apr-19-07 11:05 PM   #15 

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