Javaman
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Mon Oct-26-09 11:13 AM
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| 108. I've been running for roughly 34 years, run marathons by the dozen |
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Edited on Mon Oct-26-09 11:40 AM by Javaman
Never did an ultra but hey, that's me. Have competed in my youth in international competitions against world class athletes, have run everything from a mile up to a marathon in competition and currently training for a half marathon in the masters division.
We all share the road. We all started some place one time, we all were shufflers at one point or another.
For the average person who never worked out or had ever run before, training then running in a marathon, then completing it, is an accomplishment.
Running snobbery is foolish. This is no better than the statement "some animals are more equal than others".
I mean, cripes, it's not like they are getting BMW's or huge cash awards like the winners. (I'll let that sit with you for a while)
I think the heart of a race is in the average runner. They do it for the pure love of the sport. The type of determination displayed by those runners who "walk", takes nothing away from their dream of finishing.
As I get on in years, I used to be a snob runner, being angry at those who "walk" and looking at them as "not real runners". That was so foolish of me, but then again, that was when I was in my teens and early 20's.
The heart of running is in the person, not the time one shoots for.
I have always run to compete, I can't get it out of my system, but that doesn't mean that I as I get older, I don't appreciate the other runners around me.
From the mom, who never worked out or run at all, to the middle aged guy who chugs along, to the little kid who runs and stops, runs and stops and to the 90 year old who finishes the race in 10 hours; my hat is off to all of you. You are the embodiment of what running is all about.
And honestly, at the end of the day, it's just a running race. Not brain surgery. You put on shoes and you run a distance, then you are done.
Get over yourselves.
And so, my snobbish runners, what running is all about? Or have you forgotten?
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Marathon median times drop as the masses enter. Hard core runners despair of the trend. |
Liberal_in_LA |
Oct-24-09 12:54 AM |
#0 |

Get rid of the Shufflers |
Gulftrout |
Oct-24-09 01:01 AM |
#1 |
 
How about if you go Cheney yourself and enjoy a nice hot |
MattBaggins |
Oct-24-09 01:43 AM |
#8 |
  
Gotta agree with you. Let the elites finish fast..and then the rest of the |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-24-09 01:59 AM |
#15 |
   
Who the fuck cares what the elites think? |
tonysam |
Oct-24-09 10:35 AM |
#42 |
  
So if it takes someone 5 days, that's an accomplishment? |
Darth_Kitten |
Oct-24-09 08:51 PM |
#65 |
  
Is that praise predicated on demeaning the slow runners? |
demwing |
Oct-27-09 12:37 AM |
#122 |
  
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Name removed |
Oct-24-09 07:17 AM |
#25 |
 
The training that these "whiny shufflers" go through... |
SidDithers |
Oct-24-09 10:16 AM |
#40 |
 
What rules would those be? The ones you're proposing to change, I mean... n/t |
cherokeeprogressive |
Oct-24-09 12:15 PM |
#49 |
 
They can always get faster and in better shape. |
HughBeaumont |
Oct-24-09 02:27 PM |
#57 |
  
... |
RetroLounge |
Oct-24-09 06:39 PM |
#61 |
 
Hunnerd bucks sez this dude is out of shape. |
Vickers |
Oct-24-09 09:02 PM |
#71 |

What a bunch of whiners. |
HuckleB |
Oct-24-09 01:19 AM |
#2 |
 
Obese People getcha |
Gulftrout |
Oct-24-09 07:19 AM |
#26 |
  
Got cliches? |
HuckleB |
Oct-24-09 10:00 AM |
#38 |
  
actually, you're the one whining |
fishwax |
Oct-24-09 02:02 PM |
#56 |
 
Tell me about it. It is all about their ego and them wanting to preserve the 'prestige' |
debbierlus |
Oct-25-09 01:30 AM |
#78 |

Is race run for health or prestige? |
Mind_your_head |
Oct-24-09 01:19 AM |
#3 |
 
Exactly! |
HuckleB |
Oct-24-09 01:24 AM |
#6 |
 
How many qualifying type marathons are there? n/t |
sandnsea |
Oct-24-09 01:51 AM |
#12 |

*I* don't know myself.....but those that are knowledgeable enough to whine |
Mind_your_head |
Oct-24-09 01:57 AM |
#13 |

Have qualifying marathons |
sandnsea |
Oct-24-09 01:21 AM |
#4 |
 
Why? |
HuckleB |
Oct-24-09 01:23 AM |
#5 |

To separate it into two |
sandnsea |
Oct-24-09 01:49 AM |
#9 |

That's ridiculous, IMO. |
HuckleB |
Oct-24-09 09:59 AM |
#37 |

How bout a new competition? |
Gulftrout |
Oct-24-09 11:49 AM |
#45 |

Apparently some marathons have qualifications |
sandnsea |
Oct-24-09 01:53 PM |
#55 |

This is true. The Boston and the New York marathons |
question everything |
Oct-25-09 01:51 AM |
#81 |

That's pretty whiny - how is one person's marathon devalued if another person |
petronius |
Oct-24-09 01:26 AM |
#7 |
 
Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Oct-24-09 07:13 AM |
#24 |

Median time drops? I think you wanted to say Median time rises. nt |
thereismore |
Oct-24-09 01:50 AM |
#10 |
 
ooops. thanks. Too late to change |
Liberal_in_LA |
Oct-24-09 02:32 AM |
#20 |

Pfft! |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Oct-24-09 01:51 AM |
#11 |

My criteria is to say I "competed" if I ran all the way, "participated" if I walked at all. . . |
Journeyman |
Oct-24-09 01:57 AM |
#14 |
 
+100 |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Oct-24-09 02:00 AM |
#16 |
 
Amen |
MattBaggins |
Oct-24-09 02:02 AM |
#18 |

Most runners I know are happy to see other people running |
fishwax |
Oct-24-09 02:01 AM |
#17 |
 
Me too |
underpants |
Oct-24-09 08:59 PM |
#69 |

I never would have guessed they are jogging snobs |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-24-09 02:05 AM |
#19 |
 
The fat shufflers |
Gulftrout |
Oct-24-09 07:23 AM |
#27 |
  
Dude?! |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Oct-24-09 09:43 AM |
#36 |
  
That fat shufflers????? |
Le Taz Hot |
Oct-26-09 07:18 AM |
#87 |
  
It's too bad they breathe the same oxygen, isn't it? |
Missy Vixen |
Oct-30-09 01:34 PM |
#127 |
 
There Are Some Amazing Outdoors/Sports Snobs |
NashVegas |
Oct-24-09 12:08 PM |
#47 |

LOL! |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Oct-24-09 12:19 PM |
#50 |

my brothers girlfriend uses that phrase "car camping" |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-24-09 08:41 PM |
#62 |

Isn't It Odd? |
NashVegas |
Oct-24-09 10:17 PM |
#75 |

"Hard core runners" who make such complaints should take the stick out of their butt. |
MrModerate |
Oct-24-09 03:53 AM |
#21 |
 
Great argument |
Gulftrout |
Oct-24-09 07:24 AM |
#28 |

Sometimes truly offensive suggestions -- such as "only serious people should participate . . . |
MrModerate |
Oct-25-09 01:25 AM |
#77 |

Great explanation |
Gulftrout |
Oct-26-09 07:44 AM |
#89 |

oh my god.. |
Javaman |
Oct-26-09 11:17 AM |
#109 |

Who died and made you the Governor of Running |
Gulftrout |
Oct-26-09 10:31 PM |
#119 |

ahhh, still using that play ground mentality. LOL |
Javaman |
Oct-27-09 09:26 AM |
#124 |

Waaaah! Waaaaah! |
REP |
Oct-24-09 04:07 AM |
#22 |
 
Change the rules for the |
Gulftrout |
Oct-24-09 07:31 AM |
#29 |

Nearly every leisure activity has some friction between obsessives and hobbyists. |
LeftyMom |
Oct-24-09 05:13 AM |
#23 |

If anything, I figured letting slow people run would boost fast peoples' egos into the stratosphere. |
Selatius |
Oct-24-09 07:33 AM |
#30 |
 
Good Argument !! |
Gulftrout |
Oct-24-09 07:45 AM |
#31 |

I'm puzzled as to how a slow runner affects the fast runner's time. |
Obamanaut |
Oct-24-09 07:51 AM |
#32 |
 
The only way I can imagine it making a difference is that a large number of slow moving people... |
JVS |
Oct-26-09 07:53 AM |
#92 |

let them brag about their own start-to-finish time, and stop crying about what others are doing |
eShirl |
Oct-24-09 07:52 AM |
#33 |
 
I'm training for the Philadelphia Marathon |
MichellesBFF |
Oct-24-09 08:11 AM |
#34 |

Good for you |
underpants |
Oct-24-09 09:00 PM |
#70 |

Why not just offer the hardcore runners a special marathon |
SoCalDem |
Oct-24-09 08:23 AM |
#35 |
 
Maybe they can have a few detours uphill. |
HuckleB |
Oct-24-09 10:01 AM |
#39 |
 
Or a special Marathon |
Gulftrout |
Oct-24-09 12:03 PM |
#46 |
  
Is this street theater or Glenn Beck? |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Oct-24-09 12:25 PM |
#51 |
   
I've run 13 Marathons |
Gulftrout |
Oct-26-09 07:41 AM |
#88 |
    
Assuming you're still around, care to share your fastest/slowest times for us? nt |
DaveinJapan |
Oct-26-09 08:00 AM |
#95 |
   
Marathon Times |
Gulftrout |
Oct-26-09 07:05 PM |
#116 |
   
Yeah right. What's your times, and which ones. |
SIMPLYB1980 |
Oct-26-09 08:33 AM |
#97 |
  
You still here, Chilly? |
flvegan |
Oct-24-09 08:44 PM |
#63 |
 
They do |
underpants |
Oct-24-09 08:56 PM |
#67 |
 
Let them do 2 laps |
JVS |
Oct-26-09 07:54 AM |
#94 |

Juggler |
bikebloke |
Oct-24-09 10:26 AM |
#41 |

People who aren't that athletic trying to keep themselves in some sort of shape |
AllentownJake |
Oct-24-09 10:36 AM |
#43 |

I can understand how they feel, A lot of sweat and effort goes into becoming competitive. |
Gwendolyn |
Oct-24-09 11:29 AM |
#44 |

I'd rather people participated in athletic events, yes, slow finishers do finish & deserve the shirt |
uppityperson |
Oct-24-09 12:08 PM |
#48 |
 
Perhaps different medals depending on completing time? Gold, Silver, Bronze? n/t |
Liberal_in_LA |
Oct-24-09 06:36 PM |
#60 |

IMHO the elites just need to get over themselves |
RamboLiberal |
Oct-24-09 12:48 PM |
#52 |

Sucks To Have Your Scene Crashed, But That's Business |
NashVegas |
Oct-24-09 01:20 PM |
#53 |

How can they act like they are better than people when they realize regular people can do it too |
Taitertots |
Oct-24-09 01:39 PM |
#54 |

When did people start sneeringly refer to runners as "elites" like they're the enemy? |
Gwendolyn |
Oct-24-09 03:17 PM |
#58 |
 
It's not necessarily a sneer, it's just a term that's used in running |
fishwax |
Oct-24-09 06:36 PM |
#59 |
  
Yes it does |
eridani |
Oct-25-09 06:11 AM |
#84 |
   
Yes what does? |
fishwax |
Oct-25-09 10:52 PM |
#85 |
  
Simply that people who are biologically built to be the best at endurance sports-- |
eridani |
Oct-26-09 07:03 AM |
#86 |
  
Thanks. :-) |
Gwendolyn |
Oct-26-09 08:52 AM |
#101 |
 
Mediocrity |
Gulftrout |
Oct-26-09 07:48 AM |
#90 |

+1 |
UndertheOcean |
Oct-26-09 09:08 AM |
#104 |

How are you supposed to know how well you're doing/improving w/out competing? |
flvegan |
Oct-24-09 08:51 PM |
#64 |
 
They can't good point |
underpants |
Oct-24-09 08:58 PM |
#68 |

As a 3 time marathoner and doing my 20 tomorrow in prep for Richmond 11/14 |
underpants |
Oct-24-09 08:52 PM |
#66 |

I completed the Lake Tahoe Walking Marathon in September |
bermudat |
Oct-24-09 09:10 PM |
#72 |
 
Out of curiosity, what's considered a good time for finishing a walking marathon? nt |
DaveinJapan |
Oct-26-09 07:54 AM |
#93 |

A good time would be finishing less than 7 hours. A scorching time |
bermudat |
Oct-26-09 11:23 PM |
#120 |

This concern seems weird to me -- marathons are not team sports. |
aikoaiko |
Oct-24-09 09:15 PM |
#73 |

I think running or jogging 26.2 miles in one stretch is something to be proud of, |
Quantess |
Oct-24-09 09:16 PM |
#74 |
 
I don't think it's the fastest runners that are complaining |
fishwax |
Oct-24-09 11:09 PM |
#76 |

Yeah, I noticed that too. |
cemaphonic |
Oct-25-09 01:44 AM |
#79 |
 
Some perspective |
yesphan |
Oct-26-09 09:51 AM |
#107 |

Wow! Those are truly amazing times. |
Quantess |
Oct-25-09 02:15 AM |
#82 |

See how she runs |
question everything |
Oct-25-09 01:47 AM |
#80 |

Maybe wrestling and boxing and weightlifting should eliminate weight divisions |
eridani |
Oct-25-09 06:07 AM |
#83 |
 
Bullshit analogy. |
Gwendolyn |
Oct-26-09 08:39 AM |
#98 |

I think that runners would beg to differ |
eridani |
Oct-27-09 01:05 AM |
#123 |

If the fast people are so concerned about image, they should run it twice while waiting for the slow |
JVS |
Oct-26-09 07:52 AM |
#91 |

Awww, they hate that the unwashed and unathletic masses are finishing marathons. |
TexasObserver |
Oct-26-09 08:27 AM |
#96 |
 
my son ran his first marathon Sunday and FINISHED with a time of 5 hours |
Gin |
Oct-26-09 08:51 AM |
#100 |

cool |
TexasObserver |
Oct-26-09 06:03 PM |
#115 |

i don't get it... |
Blue_Tires |
Oct-26-09 08:44 AM |
#99 |

That's odd... |
JerseygirlCT |
Oct-26-09 09:02 AM |
#102 |

I'll also state the stupidly obvious: |
Blue_Tires |
Oct-26-09 09:06 AM |
#103 |

hmm... 11 minute mile |
mrs_p |
Oct-26-09 09:10 AM |
#105 |

This is bullshit |
RT Atlanta |
Oct-26-09 09:12 AM |
#106 |

I've been running for roughly 34 years, run marathons by the dozen |
Javaman |
Oct-26-09 11:13 AM |
#108 |
 
Well said. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Oct-26-09 11:21 AM |
#111 |
  
Thanks. :) nt |
Javaman |
Oct-26-09 11:40 AM |
#114 |
 
Your Righteous Ramblings |
Gulftrout |
Oct-27-09 09:55 PM |
#125 |

Meh, you are blocked. |
Javaman |
Oct-30-09 01:19 PM |
#126 |

Oh horse hockey..my husband is a marathoner.. and the |
Peacetrain |
Oct-26-09 11:20 AM |
#110 |

Extremely simple solution |
Dreamer Tatum |
Oct-26-09 11:24 AM |
#112 |

Americans are fat, anyone who exercises should be encouraged |
la_chupa |
Oct-26-09 11:40 AM |
#113 |

The marathon runners have a point. It is decreasing their status to have these |
yawnmaster |
Oct-26-09 07:15 PM |
#117 |
 
that woud have a MAJOR influence on mean marathon time. lol |
Liberal_in_LA |
Oct-26-09 11:27 PM |
#121 |

I can't imagine why anyone would be upset by that. How stupid and self-centered. |
NC_Nurse |
Oct-26-09 07:16 PM |
#118 |