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Reply #108: I've been running for roughly 34 years, run marathons by the dozen [View All]

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108. I've been running for roughly 34 years, run marathons by the dozen
Edited on Mon Oct-26-09 11:40 AM by Javaman
Never did an ultra but hey, that's me. Have competed in my youth in international competitions against world class athletes, have run everything from a mile up to a marathon in competition and currently training for a half marathon in the masters division.

We all share the road. We all started some place one time, we all were shufflers at one point or another.

For the average person who never worked out or had ever run before, training then running in a marathon, then completing it, is an accomplishment.

Running snobbery is foolish. This is no better than the statement "some animals are more equal than others".

I mean, cripes, it's not like they are getting BMW's or huge cash awards like the winners. (I'll let that sit with you for a while)

I think the heart of a race is in the average runner. They do it for the pure love of the sport. The type of determination displayed by those runners who "walk", takes nothing away from their dream of finishing.

As I get on in years, I used to be a snob runner, being angry at those who "walk" and looking at them as "not real runners". That was so foolish of me, but then again, that was when I was in my teens and early 20's.

The heart of running is in the person, not the time one shoots for.

I have always run to compete, I can't get it out of my system, but that doesn't mean that I as I get older, I don't appreciate the other runners around me.

From the mom, who never worked out or run at all, to the middle aged guy who chugs along, to the little kid who runs and stops, runs and stops and to the 90 year old who finishes the race in 10 hours; my hat is off to all of you. You are the embodiment of what running is all about.

And honestly, at the end of the day, it's just a running race. Not brain surgery. You put on shoes and you run a distance, then you are done.

Get over yourselves.

And so, my snobbish runners, what running is all about? Or have you forgotten?
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  Marathon median times drop as the masses enter. Hard core runners despair of the trend. Liberal_in_LA  Oct-24-09 12:54 AM   #0 
   Get rid of the Shufflers  Gulftrout   Oct-24-09 01:01 AM   #1 
   How about if you go Cheney yourself and enjoy a nice hot  MattBaggins   Oct-24-09 01:43 AM   #8 
   Gotta agree with you. Let the elites finish fast..and then the rest of the  BrklynLiberal   Oct-24-09 01:59 AM   #15 
   Who the fuck cares what the elites think?  tonysam   Oct-24-09 10:35 AM   #42 
      So if it takes someone 5 days, that's an accomplishment?  Darth_Kitten   Oct-24-09 08:51 PM   #65 
         Is that praise predicated on demeaning the slow runners?  demwing   Oct-27-09 12:37 AM   #122 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-24-09 07:17 AM   #25 
      The training that these "whiny shufflers" go through...  SidDithers   Oct-24-09 10:16 AM   #40 
      What rules would those be? The ones you're proposing to change, I mean... n/t  cherokeeprogressive   Oct-24-09 12:15 PM   #49 
   They can always get faster and in better shape.  HughBeaumont   Oct-24-09 02:27 PM   #57 
   ...  RetroLounge   Oct-24-09 06:39 PM   #61 
   Hunnerd bucks sez this dude is out of shape.  Vickers   Oct-24-09 09:02 PM   #71 
   What a bunch of whiners.  HuckleB   Oct-24-09 01:19 AM   #2 
   Obese People getcha  Gulftrout   Oct-24-09 07:19 AM   #26 
   Got cliches?  HuckleB   Oct-24-09 10:00 AM   #38 
   actually, you're the one whining  fishwax   Oct-24-09 02:02 PM   #56 
   Tell me about it. It is all about their ego and them wanting to preserve the 'prestige'  debbierlus   Oct-25-09 01:30 AM   #78 
   Is race run for health or prestige?  Mind_your_head   Oct-24-09 01:19 AM   #3 
   Exactly!  HuckleB   Oct-24-09 01:24 AM   #6 
   How many qualifying type marathons are there? n/t  sandnsea   Oct-24-09 01:51 AM   #12 
      *I* don't know myself.....but those that are knowledgeable enough to whine  Mind_your_head   Oct-24-09 01:57 AM   #13 
   Have qualifying marathons  sandnsea   Oct-24-09 01:21 AM   #4 
   Why?  HuckleB   Oct-24-09 01:23 AM   #5 
      To separate it into two  sandnsea   Oct-24-09 01:49 AM   #9 
         That's ridiculous, IMO.  HuckleB   Oct-24-09 09:59 AM   #37 
            How bout a new competition?  Gulftrout   Oct-24-09 11:49 AM   #45 
            Apparently some marathons have qualifications  sandnsea   Oct-24-09 01:53 PM   #55 
               This is true. The Boston and the New York marathons  question everything   Oct-25-09 01:51 AM   #81 
   That's pretty whiny - how is one person's marathon devalued if another person  petronius   Oct-24-09 01:26 AM   #7 
   Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-24-09 07:13 AM   #24 
   Median time drops? I think you wanted to say Median time rises. nt  thereismore   Oct-24-09 01:50 AM   #10 
   ooops. thanks. Too late to change  Liberal_in_LA   Oct-24-09 02:32 AM   #20 
   Pfft!  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-24-09 01:51 AM   #11 
   My criteria is to say I "competed" if I ran all the way, "participated" if I walked at all. . .  Journeyman   Oct-24-09 01:57 AM   #14 
   +100  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-24-09 02:00 AM   #16 
   Amen  MattBaggins   Oct-24-09 02:02 AM   #18 
   Most runners I know are happy to see other people running  fishwax   Oct-24-09 02:01 AM   #17 
   Me too  underpants   Oct-24-09 08:59 PM   #69 
   I never would have guessed they are jogging snobs  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-24-09 02:05 AM   #19 
   The fat shufflers  Gulftrout   Oct-24-09 07:23 AM   #27 
   Dude?!  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-24-09 09:43 AM   #36 
   That fat shufflers?????  Le Taz Hot   Oct-26-09 07:18 AM   #87 
   It's too bad they breathe the same oxygen, isn't it?  Missy Vixen   Oct-30-09 01:34 PM   #127 
   There Are Some Amazing Outdoors/Sports Snobs  NashVegas   Oct-24-09 12:08 PM   #47 
      LOL!  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-24-09 12:19 PM   #50 
      my brothers girlfriend uses that phrase "car camping"  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-24-09 08:41 PM   #62 
         Isn't It Odd?  NashVegas   Oct-24-09 10:17 PM   #75 
   "Hard core runners" who make such complaints should take the stick out of their butt.  MrModerate   Oct-24-09 03:53 AM   #21 
   Great argument  Gulftrout   Oct-24-09 07:24 AM   #28 
      Sometimes truly offensive suggestions -- such as "only serious people should participate . . .  MrModerate   Oct-25-09 01:25 AM   #77 
         Great explanation  Gulftrout   Oct-26-09 07:44 AM   #89 
            oh my god..  Javaman   Oct-26-09 11:17 AM   #109 
               Who died and made you the Governor of Running  Gulftrout   Oct-26-09 10:31 PM   #119 
                  ahhh, still using that play ground mentality. LOL  Javaman   Oct-27-09 09:26 AM   #124 
   Waaaah! Waaaaah!  REP   Oct-24-09 04:07 AM   #22 
   Change the rules for the  Gulftrout   Oct-24-09 07:31 AM   #29 
   Nearly every leisure activity has some friction between obsessives and hobbyists.  LeftyMom   Oct-24-09 05:13 AM   #23 
   If anything, I figured letting slow people run would boost fast peoples' egos into the stratosphere.  Selatius   Oct-24-09 07:33 AM   #30 
   Good Argument !!  Gulftrout   Oct-24-09 07:45 AM   #31 
   I'm puzzled as to how a slow runner affects the fast runner's time.  Obamanaut   Oct-24-09 07:51 AM   #32 
   The only way I can imagine it making a difference is that a large number of slow moving people...  JVS   Oct-26-09 07:53 AM   #92 
   let them brag about their own start-to-finish time, and stop crying about what others are doing  eShirl   Oct-24-09 07:52 AM   #33 
   I'm training for the Philadelphia Marathon  MichellesBFF   Oct-24-09 08:11 AM   #34 
      Good for you  underpants   Oct-24-09 09:00 PM   #70 
   Why not just offer the hardcore runners a special marathon  SoCalDem   Oct-24-09 08:23 AM   #35 
   Maybe they can have a few detours uphill.  HuckleB   Oct-24-09 10:01 AM   #39 
   Or a special Marathon  Gulftrout   Oct-24-09 12:03 PM   #46 
   Is this street theater or Glenn Beck?  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-24-09 12:25 PM   #51 
   I've run 13 Marathons  Gulftrout   Oct-26-09 07:41 AM   #88 
   Assuming you're still around, care to share your fastest/slowest times for us? nt  DaveinJapan   Oct-26-09 08:00 AM   #95 
      Marathon Times  Gulftrout   Oct-26-09 07:05 PM   #116 
   Yeah right. What's your times, and which ones.  SIMPLYB1980   Oct-26-09 08:33 AM   #97 
   You still here, Chilly?  flvegan   Oct-24-09 08:44 PM   #63 
   They do  underpants   Oct-24-09 08:56 PM   #67 
   Let them do 2 laps  JVS   Oct-26-09 07:54 AM   #94 
   Juggler  bikebloke   Oct-24-09 10:26 AM   #41 
   People who aren't that athletic trying to keep themselves in some sort of shape  AllentownJake   Oct-24-09 10:36 AM   #43 
   I can understand how they feel, A lot of sweat and effort goes into becoming competitive.  Gwendolyn   Oct-24-09 11:29 AM   #44 
   I'd rather people participated in athletic events, yes, slow finishers do finish & deserve the shirt  uppityperson   Oct-24-09 12:08 PM   #48 
   Perhaps different medals depending on completing time? Gold, Silver, Bronze? n/t  Liberal_in_LA   Oct-24-09 06:36 PM   #60 
   IMHO the elites just need to get over themselves  RamboLiberal   Oct-24-09 12:48 PM   #52 
   Sucks To Have Your Scene Crashed, But That's Business  NashVegas   Oct-24-09 01:20 PM   #53 
   How can they act like they are better than people when they realize regular people can do it too  Taitertots   Oct-24-09 01:39 PM   #54 
   When did people start sneeringly refer to runners as "elites" like they're the enemy?  Gwendolyn   Oct-24-09 03:17 PM   #58 
   It's not necessarily a sneer, it's just a term that's used in running  fishwax   Oct-24-09 06:36 PM   #59 
   Yes it does  eridani   Oct-25-09 06:11 AM   #84 
   Yes what does?  fishwax   Oct-25-09 10:52 PM   #85 
      Simply that people who are biologically built to be the best at endurance sports--  eridani   Oct-26-09 07:03 AM   #86 
   Thanks. :-)  Gwendolyn   Oct-26-09 08:52 AM   #101 
   Mediocrity  Gulftrout   Oct-26-09 07:48 AM   #90 
      +1  UndertheOcean   Oct-26-09 09:08 AM   #104 
   How are you supposed to know how well you're doing/improving w/out competing?  flvegan   Oct-24-09 08:51 PM   #64 
   They can't good point  underpants   Oct-24-09 08:58 PM   #68 
   As a 3 time marathoner and doing my 20 tomorrow in prep for Richmond 11/14  underpants   Oct-24-09 08:52 PM   #66 
   I completed the Lake Tahoe Walking Marathon in September  bermudat   Oct-24-09 09:10 PM   #72 
   Out of curiosity, what's considered a good time for finishing a walking marathon? nt  DaveinJapan   Oct-26-09 07:54 AM   #93 
      A good time would be finishing less than 7 hours. A scorching time  bermudat   Oct-26-09 11:23 PM   #120 
   This concern seems weird to me -- marathons are not team sports.  aikoaiko   Oct-24-09 09:15 PM   #73 
   I think running or jogging 26.2 miles in one stretch is something to be proud of,  Quantess   Oct-24-09 09:16 PM   #74 
   I don't think it's the fastest runners that are complaining  fishwax   Oct-24-09 11:09 PM   #76 
      Yeah, I noticed that too.  cemaphonic   Oct-25-09 01:44 AM   #79 
      Some perspective  yesphan   Oct-26-09 09:51 AM   #107 
      Wow! Those are truly amazing times.  Quantess   Oct-25-09 02:15 AM   #82 
   See how she runs  question everything   Oct-25-09 01:47 AM   #80 
   Maybe wrestling and boxing and weightlifting should eliminate weight divisions  eridani   Oct-25-09 06:07 AM   #83 
   Bullshit analogy.  Gwendolyn   Oct-26-09 08:39 AM   #98 
      I think that runners would beg to differ  eridani   Oct-27-09 01:05 AM   #123 
   If the fast people are so concerned about image, they should run it twice while waiting for the slow  JVS   Oct-26-09 07:52 AM   #91 
   Awww, they hate that the unwashed and unathletic masses are finishing marathons.  TexasObserver   Oct-26-09 08:27 AM   #96 
   my son ran his first marathon Sunday and FINISHED with a time of 5 hours  Gin   Oct-26-09 08:51 AM   #100 
      cool  TexasObserver   Oct-26-09 06:03 PM   #115 
   i don't get it...  Blue_Tires   Oct-26-09 08:44 AM   #99 
   That's odd...  JerseygirlCT   Oct-26-09 09:02 AM   #102 
   I'll also state the stupidly obvious:  Blue_Tires   Oct-26-09 09:06 AM   #103 
   hmm... 11 minute mile  mrs_p   Oct-26-09 09:10 AM   #105 
   This is bullshit  RT Atlanta   Oct-26-09 09:12 AM   #106 
   I've been running for roughly 34 years, run marathons by the dozen  Javaman   Oct-26-09 11:13 AM   #108 
   Well said.  lumberjack_jeff   Oct-26-09 11:21 AM   #111 
   Thanks. :) nt  Javaman   Oct-26-09 11:40 AM   #114 
   Your Righteous Ramblings  Gulftrout   Oct-27-09 09:55 PM   #125 
      Meh, you are blocked.  Javaman   Oct-30-09 01:19 PM   #126 
   Oh horse hockey..my husband is a marathoner.. and the  Peacetrain   Oct-26-09 11:20 AM   #110 
   Extremely simple solution  Dreamer Tatum   Oct-26-09 11:24 AM   #112 
   Americans are fat, anyone who exercises should be encouraged  la_chupa   Oct-26-09 11:40 AM   #113 
   The marathon runners have a point. It is decreasing their status to have these  yawnmaster   Oct-26-09 07:15 PM   #117 
   that woud have a MAJOR influence on mean marathon time. lol  Liberal_in_LA   Oct-26-09 11:27 PM   #121 
   I can't imagine why anyone would be upset by that. How stupid and self-centered.  NC_Nurse   Oct-26-09 07:16 PM   #118 
 

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