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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-21-09 08:15 PM
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62. I think I am very fair. I think there needs to be openness and honesty.
I criticize charter schools because they take public money and won't be held accountable. I have written about many cases like that.

I criticize them in the context that they are taking away resources that public schools desperately need.

There is nothing wrong with a group of people getting together to form their own school. In fact that can work quite well. That is their right. But I don't want my taxes going to them unless they are regulated and have oversight. I don't have percentages of those who say they are public, but really are not quite. Imagine schools have claimed to be public, but they really are run like a tight ship by their corporation founded by Dennis and Eileen Bakke. In fact they fire principals who inquire too closely about the real estate arm of their company which gets public money.

I believe our party should be upfront and honest. If you keep forming more charter schools which is the goal of this administration....if you keep giving them more public money...then you will most definitely have a network of unregulated charter schools. AND we will have more failing public schools who are having their resources stripped.
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  -NY public school students get limited use of school library so 3 charter schools can use it. madfloridian  Oct-21-09 12:06 PM   #0 
  - disgusting  fascisthunter   Oct-21-09 12:07 PM   #1 
  - This is a goddamn shame. It's an excellent metaphor for the creeping undermining of public  Brickbat   Oct-21-09 12:08 PM   #2 
  - Good description.  madfloridian   Oct-21-09 01:37 PM   #29 
  - Out with the old, in with the nouveau...  HCE SuiGeneris   Oct-21-09 12:12 PM   #3 
  - Public school parents volunteered their time.  madfloridian   Oct-21-09 12:19 PM   #4 
  - Unrecs begin.  madfloridian   Oct-21-09 12:23 PM   #5 
  - AUFWAU.  Iggo   Oct-21-09 12:34 PM   #8 
  - You said:  madfloridian   Oct-21-09 12:40 PM   #12 
     - Just kiddin, man.  Iggo   Oct-21-09 01:16 PM   #19 
        - You aren't far off base, actually.  madfloridian   Oct-21-09 01:17 PM   #21 
           - I know, but I normally do that to OP's about unrec...  Iggo   Oct-21-09 01:24 PM   #24 
  - Yep...  BolivarianHero   Oct-21-09 12:35 PM   #9 
  - Or maybe it is because our children were not well served by the public schools.  wildeyed   Oct-21-09 12:47 PM   #13 
  - Maybe it is because they are being defunded??  madfloridian   Oct-21-09 01:04 PM   #16 
  - Nope.  wildeyed   Oct-21-09 01:24 PM   #25 
  - They are taking funding from public schools.  madfloridian   Oct-21-09 01:28 PM   #28 
     - I consider my children's charter school a public school.  wildeyed   Oct-21-09 03:50 PM   #38 
        - And unregulated and taking money from the public schools.  madfloridian   Oct-21-09 04:02 PM   #40 
        - Good luck MadF.  Jakes Progress   Oct-21-09 05:42 PM   #51 
        - What percentage of charter schools are operated by for-profits vs. non-profits???  alstephenson   Oct-21-09 07:20 PM   #54 
        - I think I am very fair. I think there needs to be openness and honesty.  madfloridian   Oct-21-09 08:15 PM   #62 
        - It's not just the money that the charter schools take away  csziggy   Oct-22-09 12:46 AM   #82 
        - For every child that goes to a charter school, the public schools lose funding from local, state  BrklynLiberal   Oct-22-09 12:01 AM   #70 
        - Well said MadFla....  BrklynLiberal   Oct-21-09 11:57 PM   #68 
        - "Free" and "public" are not the same  SoCalDem   Oct-21-09 04:51 PM   #47 
           - Kudos  madfloridian   Oct-21-09 04:56 PM   #48 
           - Wow. That's a whole lot of generalization. In California and most states  alstephenson   Oct-21-09 07:37 PM   #56 
              - never said anything about tuition  SoCalDem   Oct-21-09 07:40 PM   #58 
              - Nor did I mention tuition. They get public school money, don't need tuitition.  madfloridian   Oct-21-09 08:27 PM   #64 
              - They choose their kids here  proud2BlibKansan   Oct-21-09 07:41 PM   #59 
  - Of course! That is what is happening everywherje...  BrklynLiberal   Oct-21-09 11:56 PM   #67 
  - They're no better served by charters, on average, per the most comprehensive study of the matter.  Hannah Bell   Oct-21-09 02:54 PM   #33 
  - Perhaps, but in this individual case, that is not true.  wildeyed   Oct-21-09 03:45 PM   #36 
     - But your charter school is paying money to a private school...  madfloridian   Oct-21-09 03:49 PM   #37 
     - in individual cases, it's also true that giving 90% of the money to 1% of the people can be good.  Hannah Bell   Oct-21-09 04:38 PM   #44 
  - Nice to see someone else that KNOWS that not all kids are served adequately by public schools  jinto86   Oct-21-09 07:35 PM   #55 
  - Charter schools are public schools. Right?  alstephenson   Oct-21-09 06:03 PM   #53 
     - Not necessarily.  madfloridian   Oct-21-09 08:16 PM   #63 
     - Define "public"  BrklynLiberal   Oct-22-09 12:03 AM   #72 
  - Is the charter paying rent for the space?  wildeyed   Oct-21-09 12:30 PM   #6 
  - Doesn't sound as though the public school had any say in it.  madfloridian   Oct-21-09 12:35 PM   #10 
  - Clearly the charter school is not in charge.  wildeyed   Oct-21-09 12:58 PM   #15 
     - No it is not a New York Post article. Why would you think that?  madfloridian   Oct-21-09 01:06 PM   #18 
        - My bad.  wildeyed   Oct-21-09 01:17 PM   #20 
           - Actually it is very good article. Written fairly.  madfloridian   Oct-21-09 01:19 PM   #22 
              - Or it is a badly written article and you just happen to disagree.  wildeyed   Oct-21-09 01:27 PM   #27 
                 - maybe your reading skills are the problem; i thought it was just fine,  Hannah Bell   Oct-21-09 04:40 PM   #45 
  - Wait, you say your charter school pays rent to a private school?  madfloridian   Oct-21-09 12:37 PM   #11 
     - We pay rent for the space.  wildeyed   Oct-21-09 12:50 PM   #14 
        - But it is still taxpayer money going to private schools.  madfloridian   Oct-21-09 01:05 PM   #17 
           - Whatever.  wildeyed   Oct-21-09 01:21 PM   #23 
              - Public education is just about over.  madfloridian   Oct-21-09 01:26 PM   #26 
                 - My kids are the winners.  wildeyed   Oct-21-09 01:37 PM   #30 
                 - There are no winners in this whole mess.  madfloridian   Oct-21-09 02:05 PM   #31 
                 - Anyone who says there is a silver bullet for the education mess in this country  wildeyed   Oct-21-09 04:03 PM   #41 
                    - It was a planned deliberate tearing down of confidence in teachers and education.  madfloridian   Oct-21-09 04:12 PM   #42 
                    - Can I ask you why my education sucked during the 90s in Iowa  jinto86   Oct-21-09 07:42 PM   #60 
                    - Or maybe the standards were low. Or maybe the people did not want to pay real estate taxes to fund  BrklynLiberal   Oct-22-09 12:10 AM   #75 
                       - LOL Its Iowa not Arkansas or inner city Chicago  jinto86   Oct-22-09 12:16 AM   #77 
                    - Absoutely true.  BrklynLiberal   Oct-22-09 12:08 AM   #74 
                    - Amen.  alstephenson   Oct-21-09 07:43 PM   #61 
                 - yeah... what about everyone else's kids?  fascisthunter   Oct-21-09 03:01 PM   #34 
                    - I guess they got their so to hell with the rest?  Raineyb   Oct-21-09 05:10 PM   #50 
                    - I guess as long as everyone else is served...  jinto86   Oct-21-09 07:37 PM   #57 
                       - Isn't that exactly what I said their argument was?  Raineyb   Oct-22-09 01:29 AM   #86 
                          - Her kid wasn't being served in the public education system  jinto86   Oct-22-09 01:33 AM   #87 
                    - Hey...as long as they got theirs..screw everyone else.  BrklynLiberal   Oct-22-09 12:11 AM   #76 
                       - Whats wrong with wanting their kid to be served adequately?  jinto86   Oct-22-09 12:19 AM   #78 
                 - Aha! Unions!! That is just one more thing that charter schools do not have to deal with!!!!  BrklynLiberal   Oct-22-09 12:07 AM   #73 
  - K&R nt  lostnfound   Oct-21-09 12:31 PM   #7 
  - REC'd to point out abuse by charter school advocates.  philly_bob   Oct-21-09 02:45 PM   #32 
  - here's another kick!  fascisthunter   Oct-21-09 03:02 PM   #35 
  - "An expendable library in Brooklyn"....interesting take on this topic.  madfloridian   Oct-21-09 03:53 PM   #39 
  - I live so close to here that if I had kids this is where they would go...  yourguide   Oct-21-09 04:15 PM   #43 
  - It is infuriating. The library work was done by volunteers.  madfloridian   Oct-21-09 10:29 PM   #65 
  - Grrrrr.... I worked at a public library for years, saw the charter schools come in and use it  blondeatlast   Oct-21-09 04:44 PM   #46 
  - ''look at the butt:  Gabi Hayes   Oct-21-09 05:50 PM   #52 
  - Bloomberg's a piece of shit.  Raineyb   Oct-21-09 05:06 PM   #49 
  - Disgusting is also the word that jumped to my lips...This is part of the attack on free  BrklynLiberal   Oct-21-09 11:49 PM   #66 
  - WTF  lonestarnot   Oct-22-09 12:00 AM   #69 
  - Thank you for doing so much to bring the problems in our educational system to light...  AuntPatsy   Oct-22-09 12:01 AM   #71 
  - BTW..It is not just the library that is being taken ove by the Charter School  BrklynLiberal   Oct-22-09 12:22 AM   #79 
  - The battle is beginning in earnest...the charter schools are on the move.  madfloridian   Oct-22-09 12:30 AM   #80 
     - I hope that we do not lose our public education system...  BrklynLiberal   Oct-22-09 12:35 AM   #81 
  - California charter schls are exempt from the Calif eduction code  amborin   Oct-22-09 12:49 AM   #83 
  - "sobering" finding:  amborin   Oct-22-09 01:05 AM   #84 
  - "46% showed no difference from public schools; and 37% were significantly worse "  madfloridian   Oct-22-09 10:24 AM   #90 
  - This is beyond outrageous.  BobTheSubgenius   Oct-22-09 01:12 AM   #85 
  - New video out telling about the dismantling of the library, removal of furniture.  madfloridian   Oct-22-09 08:29 AM   #88 
  - PAVE charters sharing building with PS 15. Charter mother says it is their right.  madfloridian   Oct-22-09 08:35 AM   #89 
  - More about the parents fighting back about their library being taken from them.  madfloridian   Oct-25-09 01:30 PM   #91 
  - As a librarian  XanaDUer   Oct-25-09 02:04 PM   #92 
 

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