madfloridian
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Wed Oct-21-09 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #54 |
| 62. I think I am very fair. I think there needs to be openness and honesty. |
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I criticize charter schools because they take public money and won't be held accountable. I have written about many cases like that.
I criticize them in the context that they are taking away resources that public schools desperately need.
There is nothing wrong with a group of people getting together to form their own school. In fact that can work quite well. That is their right. But I don't want my taxes going to them unless they are regulated and have oversight. I don't have percentages of those who say they are public, but really are not quite. Imagine schools have claimed to be public, but they really are run like a tight ship by their corporation founded by Dennis and Eileen Bakke. In fact they fire principals who inquire too closely about the real estate arm of their company which gets public money.
I believe our party should be upfront and honest. If you keep forming more charter schools which is the goal of this administration....if you keep giving them more public money...then you will most definitely have a network of unregulated charter schools. AND we will have more failing public schools who are having their resources stripped.
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| -NY public school students get limited use of school library so 3 charter schools can use it. |
madfloridian |
Oct-21-09 12:06 PM |
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disgusting |
fascisthunter |
Oct-21-09 12:07 PM |
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This is a goddamn shame. It's an excellent metaphor for the creeping undermining of public |
Brickbat |
Oct-21-09 12:08 PM |
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Good description. |
madfloridian |
Oct-21-09 01:37 PM |
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Out with the old, in with the nouveau... |
HCE SuiGeneris |
Oct-21-09 12:12 PM |
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Public school parents volunteered their time. |
madfloridian |
Oct-21-09 12:19 PM |
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Unrecs begin. |
madfloridian |
Oct-21-09 12:23 PM |
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AUFWAU. |
Iggo |
Oct-21-09 12:34 PM |
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You said: |
madfloridian |
Oct-21-09 12:40 PM |
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Just kiddin, man. |
Iggo |
Oct-21-09 01:16 PM |
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You aren't far off base, actually. |
madfloridian |
Oct-21-09 01:17 PM |
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I know, but I normally do that to OP's about unrec... |
Iggo |
Oct-21-09 01:24 PM |
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Yep... |
BolivarianHero |
Oct-21-09 12:35 PM |
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Or maybe it is because our children were not well served by the public schools. |
wildeyed |
Oct-21-09 12:47 PM |
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Maybe it is because they are being defunded?? |
madfloridian |
Oct-21-09 01:04 PM |
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Nope. |
wildeyed |
Oct-21-09 01:24 PM |
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They are taking funding from public schools. |
madfloridian |
Oct-21-09 01:28 PM |
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I consider my children's charter school a public school. |
wildeyed |
Oct-21-09 03:50 PM |
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And unregulated and taking money from the public schools. |
madfloridian |
Oct-21-09 04:02 PM |
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Good luck MadF. |
Jakes Progress |
Oct-21-09 05:42 PM |
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What percentage of charter schools are operated by for-profits vs. non-profits??? |
alstephenson |
Oct-21-09 07:20 PM |
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I think I am very fair. I think there needs to be openness and honesty. |
madfloridian |
Oct-21-09 08:15 PM |
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It's not just the money that the charter schools take away |
csziggy |
Oct-22-09 12:46 AM |
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For every child that goes to a charter school, the public schools lose funding from local, state |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-22-09 12:01 AM |
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Well said MadFla.... |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-21-09 11:57 PM |
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"Free" and "public" are not the same |
SoCalDem |
Oct-21-09 04:51 PM |
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Kudos |
madfloridian |
Oct-21-09 04:56 PM |
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Wow. That's a whole lot of generalization. In California and most states |
alstephenson |
Oct-21-09 07:37 PM |
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never said anything about tuition |
SoCalDem |
Oct-21-09 07:40 PM |
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Nor did I mention tuition. They get public school money, don't need tuitition. |
madfloridian |
Oct-21-09 08:27 PM |
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They choose their kids here |
proud2BlibKansan |
Oct-21-09 07:41 PM |
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Of course! That is what is happening everywherje... |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-21-09 11:56 PM |
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They're no better served by charters, on average, per the most comprehensive study of the matter. |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-21-09 02:54 PM |
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Perhaps, but in this individual case, that is not true. |
wildeyed |
Oct-21-09 03:45 PM |
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But your charter school is paying money to a private school... |
madfloridian |
Oct-21-09 03:49 PM |
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in individual cases, it's also true that giving 90% of the money to 1% of the people can be good. |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-21-09 04:38 PM |
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Nice to see someone else that KNOWS that not all kids are served adequately by public schools |
jinto86 |
Oct-21-09 07:35 PM |
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Charter schools are public schools. Right? |
alstephenson |
Oct-21-09 06:03 PM |
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Not necessarily. |
madfloridian |
Oct-21-09 08:16 PM |
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Define "public" |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-22-09 12:03 AM |
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Is the charter paying rent for the space? |
wildeyed |
Oct-21-09 12:30 PM |
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Doesn't sound as though the public school had any say in it. |
madfloridian |
Oct-21-09 12:35 PM |
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Clearly the charter school is not in charge. |
wildeyed |
Oct-21-09 12:58 PM |
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No it is not a New York Post article. Why would you think that? |
madfloridian |
Oct-21-09 01:06 PM |
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My bad. |
wildeyed |
Oct-21-09 01:17 PM |
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Actually it is very good article. Written fairly. |
madfloridian |
Oct-21-09 01:19 PM |
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Or it is a badly written article and you just happen to disagree. |
wildeyed |
Oct-21-09 01:27 PM |
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maybe your reading skills are the problem; i thought it was just fine, |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-21-09 04:40 PM |
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Wait, you say your charter school pays rent to a private school? |
madfloridian |
Oct-21-09 12:37 PM |
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We pay rent for the space. |
wildeyed |
Oct-21-09 12:50 PM |
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But it is still taxpayer money going to private schools. |
madfloridian |
Oct-21-09 01:05 PM |
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Whatever. |
wildeyed |
Oct-21-09 01:21 PM |
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Public education is just about over. |
madfloridian |
Oct-21-09 01:26 PM |
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My kids are the winners. |
wildeyed |
Oct-21-09 01:37 PM |
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There are no winners in this whole mess. |
madfloridian |
Oct-21-09 02:05 PM |
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Anyone who says there is a silver bullet for the education mess in this country |
wildeyed |
Oct-21-09 04:03 PM |
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It was a planned deliberate tearing down of confidence in teachers and education. |
madfloridian |
Oct-21-09 04:12 PM |
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Can I ask you why my education sucked during the 90s in Iowa |
jinto86 |
Oct-21-09 07:42 PM |
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Or maybe the standards were low. Or maybe the people did not want to pay real estate taxes to fund |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-22-09 12:10 AM |
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LOL Its Iowa not Arkansas or inner city Chicago |
jinto86 |
Oct-22-09 12:16 AM |
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Absoutely true. |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-22-09 12:08 AM |
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Amen. |
alstephenson |
Oct-21-09 07:43 PM |
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yeah... what about everyone else's kids? |
fascisthunter |
Oct-21-09 03:01 PM |
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I guess they got their so to hell with the rest? |
Raineyb |
Oct-21-09 05:10 PM |
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I guess as long as everyone else is served... |
jinto86 |
Oct-21-09 07:37 PM |
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Isn't that exactly what I said their argument was? |
Raineyb |
Oct-22-09 01:29 AM |
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Her kid wasn't being served in the public education system |
jinto86 |
Oct-22-09 01:33 AM |
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Hey...as long as they got theirs..screw everyone else. |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-22-09 12:11 AM |
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Whats wrong with wanting their kid to be served adequately? |
jinto86 |
Oct-22-09 12:19 AM |
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Aha! Unions!! That is just one more thing that charter schools do not have to deal with!!!! |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-22-09 12:07 AM |
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K&R nt |
lostnfound |
Oct-21-09 12:31 PM |
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REC'd to point out abuse by charter school advocates. |
philly_bob |
Oct-21-09 02:45 PM |
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here's another kick! |
fascisthunter |
Oct-21-09 03:02 PM |
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"An expendable library in Brooklyn"....interesting take on this topic. |
madfloridian |
Oct-21-09 03:53 PM |
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I live so close to here that if I had kids this is where they would go... |
yourguide |
Oct-21-09 04:15 PM |
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It is infuriating. The library work was done by volunteers. |
madfloridian |
Oct-21-09 10:29 PM |
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Grrrrr.... I worked at a public library for years, saw the charter schools come in and use it |
blondeatlast |
Oct-21-09 04:44 PM |
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''look at the butt: |
Gabi Hayes |
Oct-21-09 05:50 PM |
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Bloomberg's a piece of shit. |
Raineyb |
Oct-21-09 05:06 PM |
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Disgusting is also the word that jumped to my lips...This is part of the attack on free |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-21-09 11:49 PM |
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WTF |
lonestarnot |
Oct-22-09 12:00 AM |
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Thank you for doing so much to bring the problems in our educational system to light... |
AuntPatsy |
Oct-22-09 12:01 AM |
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BTW..It is not just the library that is being taken ove by the Charter School |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-22-09 12:22 AM |
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The battle is beginning in earnest...the charter schools are on the move. |
madfloridian |
Oct-22-09 12:30 AM |
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I hope that we do not lose our public education system... |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-22-09 12:35 AM |
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California charter schls are exempt from the Calif eduction code |
amborin |
Oct-22-09 12:49 AM |
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"sobering" finding: |
amborin |
Oct-22-09 01:05 AM |
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"46% showed no difference from public schools; and 37% were significantly worse " |
madfloridian |
Oct-22-09 10:24 AM |
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This is beyond outrageous. |
BobTheSubgenius |
Oct-22-09 01:12 AM |
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New video out telling about the dismantling of the library, removal of furniture. |
madfloridian |
Oct-22-09 08:29 AM |
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PAVE charters sharing building with PS 15. Charter mother says it is their right. |
madfloridian |
Oct-22-09 08:35 AM |
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More about the parents fighting back about their library being taken from them. |
madfloridian |
Oct-25-09 01:30 PM |
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As a librarian |
XanaDUer |
Oct-25-09 02:04 PM |
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