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Tue Oct-20-09 01:58 PM
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| 39. Yeah, it's as simple as blaming Republicans. Jesus. |
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I get the impression that people looked at the pictures and didn't read the text.
From the Q & A (emphases mine):
As for the problem and what people need to know about it, I’m not sure there is much to do. The Lakota, like most tribes, are self governed. Handouts aren’t the answer. Church groups painting over the gang signs on houses every few summers is not the answer. Pity is not the answer. The Lakota are an incredibly beautiful and proud people. There are pockets of strength in this failed state. They are usually formed around a school or a traditional teacher-medicine man or a strong head of a family who spreads it to his extended family.
I think I honestly want these photos to hurt the viewer. I want people to understand that what they see in these images is a result of a very long and very calculated oppression. It’s convenient that we can now step back and say: “Oh, no! Look. They are doing it to themselves! There is nothing we can do!” Very convenient for us. The story of the Lakota is the story of all indigenous people on every continent — they are steamrolled by the dominant society and pushed to the verge of extinction. Assimilate or die.
If we're going to be so simpleminded as to hang the suffering of indigenous people on dimson, then please explain to me how these people have flourished since January 2009, between 1993 and 2001, between 1977 and 1981, and so forth. The unpleasant truth is that these people and MANY groups like them have been fucked over and around for generations by everyone in power, and when you look at that level of hopelessness and destruction, the good intentions of people in Washington don't count for shit. And it's a problem so deep and ingrained that it's not going to get fixed in one generation, let alone in one administration.
I predict we will be reading stories a lot like this in the next 25-30 years, only based in the New Orleans area. Just a guess.
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| -"Pine Ridge is the scariest place I’ve ever been — more so than in a Taliban ambush,” |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 05:13 AM |
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k/r |
ccharles000 |
Oct-20-09 05:27 AM |
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Correction to OP (put up here as reply for people might see)"NOT more so than in a Taliban ambush".. |
uppityperson |
Oct-20-09 01:53 PM |
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K&R. . . . . . n/t |
annabanana |
Oct-20-09 05:55 AM |
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Heavens. |
Delphinus |
Oct-20-09 06:13 AM |
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k/r |
piratefish08 |
Oct-20-09 06:23 AM |
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As someone that has been to Pine Ridge many times I can agree |
newfie11 |
Oct-20-09 06:36 AM |
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that I know of |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 06:51 AM |
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Same holds true for some areas on the Reservations in northern MN also. |
glinda |
Oct-20-09 08:49 PM |
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I have to say that, as a white chick, I've experienced very |
liberalhistorian |
Oct-20-09 01:35 PM |
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My experiences as well. nt |
mikekohr |
Oct-20-09 07:22 PM |
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When I spent time on or near the Rez(s), my closest and best friends were Native American. My |
glinda |
Oct-20-09 08:51 PM |
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Its an awful legacy |
roguevalley |
Oct-20-09 02:36 PM |
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Part of the reason for the alcoholism is that Native people lack an enzyme |
Lorien |
Oct-20-09 11:27 PM |
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I think that may be it. People with the longest use of alcohol, wine |
roguevalley |
Oct-22-09 02:19 PM |
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they can't sell their homes, but they could sell their land to white ranchers? |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-20-09 02:59 PM |
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Here is one way in which these leases came to be: |
mikekohr |
Oct-20-09 07:11 PM |
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it doesn't quite answer my question, though. i'm still confused. |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-21-09 02:27 AM |
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ok I will go further |
newfie11 |
Oct-21-09 08:05 AM |
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better, thanks for the info. |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-21-09 02:32 PM |
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That holds true for some areas in northern Mn also. I bought a small farm on "leased" |
glinda |
Oct-20-09 08:53 PM |
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As someone who knew a lot abt this circa 1970's |
truedelphi |
Oct-20-09 03:23 PM |
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Your description & the pictures are what I saw there 37 years ago. |
jwirr |
Oct-20-09 04:05 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-20-09 06:44 AM |
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goes much deeper than Bush |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 06:52 AM |
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I agree this was not started by Bush |
newfie11 |
Oct-20-09 07:11 AM |
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It wasn't started by Bush... |
a la izquierda |
Oct-20-09 07:34 AM |
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it's not that far off from the ideas |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 07:48 AM |
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It's called genocide. 95% mortality rate among aboriginal peoples in the Americas |
leveymg |
Oct-20-09 05:23 PM |
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I wouldn't say that |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 08:19 PM |
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I suppose if WWIV continued for 350 years or escalated, the mortality rate might be comparable |
leveymg |
Oct-21-09 03:07 AM |
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kind of, but going way deeper than the point |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-21-09 03:50 AM |
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well if it helps |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 07:49 AM |
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Yeah, it's as simple as blaming Republicans. Jesus. |
Dreamer Tatum |
Oct-20-09 01:58 PM |
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One would think that in the history of Native American suffering, there had never been a Democrat |
cherokeeprogressive |
Oct-20-09 02:01 PM |
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That, to me, is the ultimate proof that throwing money at them solves nothing. nt |
Dreamer Tatum |
Oct-20-09 02:17 PM |
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yeah well nobody has ever done that |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 08:23 PM |
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Democratic administrations and politicians are not blameless, Jackson comes to mind. |
mikekohr |
Oct-20-09 07:20 PM |
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I can think of SLIGHTLY more contemporary ones. nt |
Dreamer Tatum |
Oct-20-09 09:47 PM |
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This reminds me of Oakland |
XemaSab |
Oct-20-09 08:10 PM |
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I never said it was nt |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 08:21 PM |
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K&R |
Soylent Brice |
Oct-20-09 07:25 AM |
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Pine Ridge is scary because it is without hope. |
Brickbat |
Oct-20-09 07:27 AM |
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Spent lot of my youth in and near Sisseton Reservation...NE SD |
LeftHander |
Oct-20-09 07:32 AM |
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Recommended. |
H2O Man |
Oct-20-09 07:51 AM |
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you're welcome H20 |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 07:56 AM |
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I feel so bad right now ..... |
Botany |
Oct-20-09 07:51 AM |
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Thanks for the post. |
LWolf |
Oct-20-09 08:02 AM |
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Recommended. |
Heidi |
Oct-20-09 09:05 AM |
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VEry, very sad |
AngryAmish |
Oct-20-09 09:11 AM |
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The Friends of Pine Ridge has a site that gives you a place |
Crabby Appleton |
Oct-20-09 09:53 AM |
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Thank you for this. I have often thought it would be |
truedelphi |
Oct-20-09 03:32 PM |
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thank you. |
shireen |
Oct-20-09 04:26 PM |
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K and R |
femrap |
Oct-20-09 10:30 AM |
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Not a bad idea! |
KamaAina |
Oct-20-09 01:50 PM |
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Are you sure about that? |
XemaSab |
Oct-20-09 08:13 PM |
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other way around |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 08:30 PM |
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I think that hemp will grow there. The problem is that the DEA won't allow them to. |
Altoid_Cyclist |
Oct-20-09 01:56 PM |
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Thank you for the links. nt |
femrap |
Oct-20-09 05:53 PM |
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You're welcome. |
Altoid_Cyclist |
Oct-21-09 03:20 AM |
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It's beyond sad. |
femrap |
Oct-21-09 10:41 AM |
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I'd have to go back and read the article again or watch the documentary. |
Altoid_Cyclist |
Oct-21-09 12:51 PM |
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Alex White Plume has grown bumper crops of Industrial Hemp on Pine Ridge |
mikekohr |
Oct-20-09 07:44 PM |
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It's a shame that the DEA is allowed to still do this. |
Altoid_Cyclist |
Oct-21-09 03:18 AM |
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I drove through there this summer. The road coming out of the Badlands in the |
cbayer |
Oct-20-09 11:09 AM |
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Shameful. Agreed. nt |
BlueIris |
Oct-20-09 11:21 AM |
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They might have a better chance if the government would stop controlling the lands... |
winyanstaz |
Oct-20-09 12:37 PM |
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I wish there was more representation of Native Americans in Congress or even the Executive Branch |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Oct-20-09 09:31 PM |
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Powerful photos, insightful interview... |
yellerpup |
Oct-20-09 01:12 PM |
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from the article |
dana_b |
Oct-20-09 01:25 PM |
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Yeah, but wait, back up! How many of those on the reservation actually make $300,000 per year? |
closeupready |
Oct-20-09 01:29 PM |
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What's your point? |
Dreamer Tatum |
Oct-20-09 01:38 PM |
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This one says that most people who call themselves "poor" are like this woman: |
closeupready |
Oct-20-09 01:41 PM |
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Blackhawk was a leader, not a tribe. |
Jackpine Radical |
Oct-20-09 02:56 PM |
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Shows you what I know. I think Chippewa, though. |
closeupready |
Oct-20-09 03:06 PM |
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The Chippewa are certainly the largest group. Also for the most part the furthest north. |
Jackpine Radical |
Oct-20-09 06:01 PM |
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You mean the Annishinabe don't you? Chippewa is a slander term. |
glinda |
Oct-20-09 08:57 PM |
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Actually, Chippewa isn't so much slander |
catbyte |
Oct-21-09 08:18 AM |
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Both Ojibwa and Chippewa are corruptions of the original word |
Jackpine Radical |
Oct-21-09 09:14 AM |
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Exactly |
glinda |
Oct-21-09 10:23 AM |
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Megwitch. |
Jackpine Radical |
Oct-21-09 01:33 PM |
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spelling |
Sabien |
Oct-21-09 04:55 AM |
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I've worked on Pine Ridge and know exactly what |
liberalhistorian |
Oct-20-09 01:31 PM |
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I got an FBI file for my support back in 1973 |
catbyte |
Oct-20-09 02:32 PM |
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Bouzhou. I grew up among Anishinabe people in N. Wi. LCO, actually. |
Jackpine Radical |
Oct-20-09 02:59 PM |
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Aanii! |
catbyte |
Oct-20-09 03:16 PM |
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Not to mention a really great radio station, WOJB. It streams online. Try it. |
Jackpine Radical |
Oct-20-09 05:47 PM |
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Welcome to the club |
Scruffy1 |
Oct-20-09 03:31 PM |
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*hug* Thank you for doing that. |
knitter4democracy |
Oct-20-09 04:31 PM |
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That is heartbreaking nt |
Dreamer Tatum |
Oct-20-09 01:38 PM |
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k&r for friends in Pine Ridge and Standing Rock. eom |
uppityperson |
Oct-20-09 01:50 PM |
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“Pine Ridge is the scariest place I’ve ever seen — NOT more so than in a Taliban ambush.” |
Greyskye |
Oct-20-09 01:58 PM |
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yes thanks for that, too late for me to go back and edit |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 08:35 PM |
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I've driven through it a couple of times in my life. It's hard to believe it's part of |
Cleita |
Oct-20-09 02:04 PM |
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the feds took away their only viable industry by destroying it |
reggie the dog |
Oct-20-09 02:43 PM |
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'The Woman Hanging From The Thirteenth Floor Window' |
me b zola |
Oct-20-09 02:46 PM |
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K & R! |
NanceGreggs |
Oct-20-09 03:31 PM |
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Just got back from Jemez Pueblo in N. New Mexico.... |
Helga Scow Stern |
Oct-20-09 03:53 PM |
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So unbelievably sad. |
polly7 |
Oct-20-09 04:11 PM |
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What you did was very generous and almost heroic in my eyes...not many |
TK421 |
Oct-20-09 09:50 PM |
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Aw, thank you |
polly7 |
Oct-20-09 10:14 PM |
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How many miles from Regina to Saskatoon? just curious |
TK421 |
Oct-20-09 10:25 PM |
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It's about 260 km, or 160 miles. |
polly7 |
Oct-21-09 02:44 AM |
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Thank you so much for this. We need to be reminded of how much suffering there is in the world |
Number23 |
Oct-20-09 04:21 PM |
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I know Hopi Mesas was bad back in the late '90s. |
knitter4democracy |
Oct-20-09 04:33 PM |
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and we have the gall to criticize other countries for the way they treat their indigenous peoples!!! |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-20-09 04:55 PM |
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I was there many years ago, it's true. |
lisa58 |
Oct-20-09 05:23 PM |
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Recommend. Very moving and disturbing in many ways. |
bertman |
Oct-20-09 05:28 PM |
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Secretary–Indian Affairs, Department of the Interior, |
polly7 |
Oct-20-09 05:42 PM |
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Thanks for the information, polly7. That is an enlightening quote from Kevin Gover; |
bertman |
Oct-20-09 10:08 PM |
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You're welcome. |
polly7 |
Oct-20-09 10:24 PM |
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What occurs to me is that there should be some other mechanism besides casinos and |
bertman |
Oct-20-09 11:10 PM |
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Thank you for posting |
Geek_Girl |
Oct-20-09 06:03 PM |
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K&R... |
ms liberty |
Oct-20-09 06:43 PM |
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There was only one mention of casinos. Do all states allow them? So Dakota? |
peacetalksforall |
Oct-20-09 06:51 PM |
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Prophecy Song - The elders - Casinos |
SpiralHawk |
Oct-20-09 07:24 PM |
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Pine Ridge does have a casino, but it is the norm among Indian Casinos |
mikekohr |
Oct-20-09 08:03 PM |
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I wonder how much of the revenue of the successful casinos |
XemaSab |
Oct-20-09 08:22 PM |
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I did some work for a woman in Public Relations once and |
AnotherDreamWeaver |
Oct-20-09 11:27 PM |
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I was in a casino that was basically a bit bigger than a "shack" once. |
glinda |
Oct-20-09 09:01 PM |
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tribes have to enter into bilateral agreements with |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 08:41 PM |
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So why do they vote for repiglieCONs there WB? |
lonestarnot |
Oct-20-09 07:50 PM |
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I doubt people on the reservation do |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 08:46 PM |
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Mostly but in the last eight years there has been in operation in movement to |
glinda |
Oct-20-09 09:02 PM |
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yes I've heard of that |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 09:29 PM |
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THE BUREAU OF WHITE AFFAIRS |
mikekohr |
Oct-20-09 07:51 PM |
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You should vist this area |
MisterK |
Oct-20-09 07:57 PM |
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I don't doubt that it's bad |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 09:01 PM |
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I'm sorry, but I'm from NE Ohio and Pine Ridge is nothing |
liberalhistorian |
Oct-21-09 10:34 AM |
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Not An Expert |
RobinA |
Oct-21-09 03:18 PM |
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So why are we in this situation? |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Oct-20-09 09:28 PM |
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Amen. |
XemaSab |
Oct-20-09 09:52 PM |
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k&r |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-20-09 10:16 PM |
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we drove through there in the seventies, on a family road trip to rushmore and beyond... |
dysfunctional press |
Oct-20-09 11:32 PM |
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For those who are familiar with the Lakota of SD |
DFW |
Oct-21-09 02:12 AM |
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Fantastic photos! |
Quantess |
Oct-21-09 02:20 AM |
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I cried when we went to Pine Ridge |
proud2BlibKansan |
Oct-21-09 08:36 AM |
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If they manufactured cars on a reservation what, if any, taxes would be exempted? (nt) |
ieoeja |
Oct-21-09 11:13 AM |
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I am not sure exactly |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-21-09 01:10 PM |
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