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Tue Oct-20-09 07:51 AM
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| -"Pine Ridge is the scariest place I’ve ever been — more so than in a Taliban ambush,” |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 05:13 AM |
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k/r |
ccharles000 |
Oct-20-09 05:27 AM |
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Correction to OP (put up here as reply for people might see)"NOT more so than in a Taliban ambush".. |
uppityperson |
Oct-20-09 01:53 PM |
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K&R. . . . . . n/t |
annabanana |
Oct-20-09 05:55 AM |
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Heavens. |
Delphinus |
Oct-20-09 06:13 AM |
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k/r |
piratefish08 |
Oct-20-09 06:23 AM |
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As someone that has been to Pine Ridge many times I can agree |
newfie11 |
Oct-20-09 06:36 AM |
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that I know of |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 06:51 AM |
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Same holds true for some areas on the Reservations in northern MN also. |
glinda |
Oct-20-09 08:49 PM |
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I have to say that, as a white chick, I've experienced very |
liberalhistorian |
Oct-20-09 01:35 PM |
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My experiences as well. nt |
mikekohr |
Oct-20-09 07:22 PM |
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When I spent time on or near the Rez(s), my closest and best friends were Native American. My |
glinda |
Oct-20-09 08:51 PM |
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Its an awful legacy |
roguevalley |
Oct-20-09 02:36 PM |
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Part of the reason for the alcoholism is that Native people lack an enzyme |
Lorien |
Oct-20-09 11:27 PM |
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I think that may be it. People with the longest use of alcohol, wine |
roguevalley |
Oct-22-09 02:19 PM |
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they can't sell their homes, but they could sell their land to white ranchers? |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-20-09 02:59 PM |
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Here is one way in which these leases came to be: |
mikekohr |
Oct-20-09 07:11 PM |
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it doesn't quite answer my question, though. i'm still confused. |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-21-09 02:27 AM |
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ok I will go further |
newfie11 |
Oct-21-09 08:05 AM |
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better, thanks for the info. |
Hannah Bell |
Oct-21-09 02:32 PM |
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That holds true for some areas in northern Mn also. I bought a small farm on "leased" |
glinda |
Oct-20-09 08:53 PM |
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As someone who knew a lot abt this circa 1970's |
truedelphi |
Oct-20-09 03:23 PM |
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Your description & the pictures are what I saw there 37 years ago. |
jwirr |
Oct-20-09 04:05 PM |
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Name removed |
Oct-20-09 06:44 AM |
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goes much deeper than Bush |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 06:52 AM |
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I agree this was not started by Bush |
newfie11 |
Oct-20-09 07:11 AM |
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It wasn't started by Bush... |
a la izquierda |
Oct-20-09 07:34 AM |
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it's not that far off from the ideas |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 07:48 AM |
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It's called genocide. 95% mortality rate among aboriginal peoples in the Americas |
leveymg |
Oct-20-09 05:23 PM |
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I wouldn't say that |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 08:19 PM |
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I suppose if WWIV continued for 350 years or escalated, the mortality rate might be comparable |
leveymg |
Oct-21-09 03:07 AM |
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kind of, but going way deeper than the point |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-21-09 03:50 AM |
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well if it helps |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 07:49 AM |
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Yeah, it's as simple as blaming Republicans. Jesus. |
Dreamer Tatum |
Oct-20-09 01:58 PM |
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One would think that in the history of Native American suffering, there had never been a Democrat |
cherokeeprogressive |
Oct-20-09 02:01 PM |
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That, to me, is the ultimate proof that throwing money at them solves nothing. nt |
Dreamer Tatum |
Oct-20-09 02:17 PM |
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yeah well nobody has ever done that |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 08:23 PM |
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Democratic administrations and politicians are not blameless, Jackson comes to mind. |
mikekohr |
Oct-20-09 07:20 PM |
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I can think of SLIGHTLY more contemporary ones. nt |
Dreamer Tatum |
Oct-20-09 09:47 PM |
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This reminds me of Oakland |
XemaSab |
Oct-20-09 08:10 PM |
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I never said it was nt |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 08:21 PM |
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K&R |
Soylent Brice |
Oct-20-09 07:25 AM |
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Pine Ridge is scary because it is without hope. |
Brickbat |
Oct-20-09 07:27 AM |
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Spent lot of my youth in and near Sisseton Reservation...NE SD |
LeftHander |
Oct-20-09 07:32 AM |
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Recommended. |
H2O Man |
Oct-20-09 07:51 AM |
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you're welcome H20 |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 07:56 AM |
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I feel so bad right now ..... |
Botany |
Oct-20-09 07:51 AM |
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Thanks for the post. |
LWolf |
Oct-20-09 08:02 AM |
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Recommended. |
Heidi |
Oct-20-09 09:05 AM |
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VEry, very sad |
AngryAmish |
Oct-20-09 09:11 AM |
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The Friends of Pine Ridge has a site that gives you a place |
Crabby Appleton |
Oct-20-09 09:53 AM |
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Thank you for this. I have often thought it would be |
truedelphi |
Oct-20-09 03:32 PM |
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thank you. |
shireen |
Oct-20-09 04:26 PM |
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K and R |
femrap |
Oct-20-09 10:30 AM |
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Not a bad idea! |
KamaAina |
Oct-20-09 01:50 PM |
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Are you sure about that? |
XemaSab |
Oct-20-09 08:13 PM |
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other way around |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 08:30 PM |
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I think that hemp will grow there. The problem is that the DEA won't allow them to. |
Altoid_Cyclist |
Oct-20-09 01:56 PM |
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Thank you for the links. nt |
femrap |
Oct-20-09 05:53 PM |
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You're welcome. |
Altoid_Cyclist |
Oct-21-09 03:20 AM |
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It's beyond sad. |
femrap |
Oct-21-09 10:41 AM |
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I'd have to go back and read the article again or watch the documentary. |
Altoid_Cyclist |
Oct-21-09 12:51 PM |
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Alex White Plume has grown bumper crops of Industrial Hemp on Pine Ridge |
mikekohr |
Oct-20-09 07:44 PM |
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It's a shame that the DEA is allowed to still do this. |
Altoid_Cyclist |
Oct-21-09 03:18 AM |
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I drove through there this summer. The road coming out of the Badlands in the |
cbayer |
Oct-20-09 11:09 AM |
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Shameful. Agreed. nt |
BlueIris |
Oct-20-09 11:21 AM |
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They might have a better chance if the government would stop controlling the lands... |
winyanstaz |
Oct-20-09 12:37 PM |
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I wish there was more representation of Native Americans in Congress or even the Executive Branch |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Oct-20-09 09:31 PM |
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Powerful photos, insightful interview... |
yellerpup |
Oct-20-09 01:12 PM |
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from the article |
dana_b |
Oct-20-09 01:25 PM |
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Yeah, but wait, back up! How many of those on the reservation actually make $300,000 per year? |
closeupready |
Oct-20-09 01:29 PM |
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What's your point? |
Dreamer Tatum |
Oct-20-09 01:38 PM |
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This one says that most people who call themselves "poor" are like this woman: |
closeupready |
Oct-20-09 01:41 PM |
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Blackhawk was a leader, not a tribe. |
Jackpine Radical |
Oct-20-09 02:56 PM |
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Shows you what I know. I think Chippewa, though. |
closeupready |
Oct-20-09 03:06 PM |
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The Chippewa are certainly the largest group. Also for the most part the furthest north. |
Jackpine Radical |
Oct-20-09 06:01 PM |
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You mean the Annishinabe don't you? Chippewa is a slander term. |
glinda |
Oct-20-09 08:57 PM |
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Actually, Chippewa isn't so much slander |
catbyte |
Oct-21-09 08:18 AM |
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Both Ojibwa and Chippewa are corruptions of the original word |
Jackpine Radical |
Oct-21-09 09:14 AM |
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Exactly |
glinda |
Oct-21-09 10:23 AM |
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Megwitch. |
Jackpine Radical |
Oct-21-09 01:33 PM |
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spelling |
Sabien |
Oct-21-09 04:55 AM |
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I've worked on Pine Ridge and know exactly what |
liberalhistorian |
Oct-20-09 01:31 PM |
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I got an FBI file for my support back in 1973 |
catbyte |
Oct-20-09 02:32 PM |
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Bouzhou. I grew up among Anishinabe people in N. Wi. LCO, actually. |
Jackpine Radical |
Oct-20-09 02:59 PM |
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Aanii! |
catbyte |
Oct-20-09 03:16 PM |
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Not to mention a really great radio station, WOJB. It streams online. Try it. |
Jackpine Radical |
Oct-20-09 05:47 PM |
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Welcome to the club |
Scruffy1 |
Oct-20-09 03:31 PM |
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*hug* Thank you for doing that. |
knitter4democracy |
Oct-20-09 04:31 PM |
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That is heartbreaking nt |
Dreamer Tatum |
Oct-20-09 01:38 PM |
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k&r for friends in Pine Ridge and Standing Rock. eom |
uppityperson |
Oct-20-09 01:50 PM |
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“Pine Ridge is the scariest place I’ve ever seen — NOT more so than in a Taliban ambush.” |
Greyskye |
Oct-20-09 01:58 PM |
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yes thanks for that, too late for me to go back and edit |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 08:35 PM |
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I've driven through it a couple of times in my life. It's hard to believe it's part of |
Cleita |
Oct-20-09 02:04 PM |
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the feds took away their only viable industry by destroying it |
reggie the dog |
Oct-20-09 02:43 PM |
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'The Woman Hanging From The Thirteenth Floor Window' |
me b zola |
Oct-20-09 02:46 PM |
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K & R! |
NanceGreggs |
Oct-20-09 03:31 PM |
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Just got back from Jemez Pueblo in N. New Mexico.... |
Helga Scow Stern |
Oct-20-09 03:53 PM |
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So unbelievably sad. |
polly7 |
Oct-20-09 04:11 PM |
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What you did was very generous and almost heroic in my eyes...not many |
TK421 |
Oct-20-09 09:50 PM |
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Aw, thank you |
polly7 |
Oct-20-09 10:14 PM |
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How many miles from Regina to Saskatoon? just curious |
TK421 |
Oct-20-09 10:25 PM |
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It's about 260 km, or 160 miles. |
polly7 |
Oct-21-09 02:44 AM |
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Thank you so much for this. We need to be reminded of how much suffering there is in the world |
Number23 |
Oct-20-09 04:21 PM |
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I know Hopi Mesas was bad back in the late '90s. |
knitter4democracy |
Oct-20-09 04:33 PM |
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and we have the gall to criticize other countries for the way they treat their indigenous peoples!!! |
BrklynLiberal |
Oct-20-09 04:55 PM |
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I was there many years ago, it's true. |
lisa58 |
Oct-20-09 05:23 PM |
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Recommend. Very moving and disturbing in many ways. |
bertman |
Oct-20-09 05:28 PM |
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Secretary–Indian Affairs, Department of the Interior, |
polly7 |
Oct-20-09 05:42 PM |
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Thanks for the information, polly7. That is an enlightening quote from Kevin Gover; |
bertman |
Oct-20-09 10:08 PM |
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You're welcome. |
polly7 |
Oct-20-09 10:24 PM |
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What occurs to me is that there should be some other mechanism besides casinos and |
bertman |
Oct-20-09 11:10 PM |
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Thank you for posting |
Geek_Girl |
Oct-20-09 06:03 PM |
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K&R... |
ms liberty |
Oct-20-09 06:43 PM |
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There was only one mention of casinos. Do all states allow them? So Dakota? |
peacetalksforall |
Oct-20-09 06:51 PM |
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Prophecy Song - The elders - Casinos |
SpiralHawk |
Oct-20-09 07:24 PM |
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Pine Ridge does have a casino, but it is the norm among Indian Casinos |
mikekohr |
Oct-20-09 08:03 PM |
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I wonder how much of the revenue of the successful casinos |
XemaSab |
Oct-20-09 08:22 PM |
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I did some work for a woman in Public Relations once and |
AnotherDreamWeaver |
Oct-20-09 11:27 PM |
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I was in a casino that was basically a bit bigger than a "shack" once. |
glinda |
Oct-20-09 09:01 PM |
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tribes have to enter into bilateral agreements with |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 08:41 PM |
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So why do they vote for repiglieCONs there WB? |
lonestarnot |
Oct-20-09 07:50 PM |
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I doubt people on the reservation do |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 08:46 PM |
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Mostly but in the last eight years there has been in operation in movement to |
glinda |
Oct-20-09 09:02 PM |
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yes I've heard of that |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 09:29 PM |
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THE BUREAU OF WHITE AFFAIRS |
mikekohr |
Oct-20-09 07:51 PM |
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You should vist this area |
MisterK |
Oct-20-09 07:57 PM |
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I don't doubt that it's bad |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-20-09 09:01 PM |
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I'm sorry, but I'm from NE Ohio and Pine Ridge is nothing |
liberalhistorian |
Oct-21-09 10:34 AM |
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Not An Expert |
RobinA |
Oct-21-09 03:18 PM |
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So why are we in this situation? |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Oct-20-09 09:28 PM |
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Amen. |
XemaSab |
Oct-20-09 09:52 PM |
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k&r |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-20-09 10:16 PM |
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we drove through there in the seventies, on a family road trip to rushmore and beyond... |
dysfunctional press |
Oct-20-09 11:32 PM |
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For those who are familiar with the Lakota of SD |
DFW |
Oct-21-09 02:12 AM |
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Fantastic photos! |
Quantess |
Oct-21-09 02:20 AM |
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I cried when we went to Pine Ridge |
proud2BlibKansan |
Oct-21-09 08:36 AM |
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If they manufactured cars on a reservation what, if any, taxes would be exempted? (nt) |
ieoeja |
Oct-21-09 11:13 AM |
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I am not sure exactly |
Wetzelbill |
Oct-21-09 01:10 PM |
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