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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-19-09 09:37 PM
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109. The chance of driver error is greatly increased
When the idle air controller sticks, and the engine is "stuck" on a 2000 rpm idle - At least according to the testing conducted by Car & Driver. They also noted that the Audi tested only took 10 feet longer to panic stop at full throttle rather than idle - buut Audi's have serious brakes.
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  -Toyota's runaway-car worries may not stop at floor mats n2doc  Oct-18-09 05:57 AM   #0 
  - Ahh, the invisible, magical, hand of the "free" market at its best. n/t  fasttense   Oct-18-09 06:24 AM   #1 
  - Never forget that Smith wrote about " 2 hands " - the other hand being the regulating power of the  Democracyinkind   Oct-18-09 06:38 AM   #3 
  - You would think a CHP officer would have the presence of mind to shift the car into neutral..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 06:37 AM   #2 
  - The article suggests you are mistaken.  Ptah   Oct-18-09 06:48 AM   #5 
  - I never said anything about turning off the ignition...  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 06:49 AM   #6 
  - Is there some reason you always cop an attitude?  theHandpuppet   Oct-18-09 06:56 AM   #8 
  - You came back with a reply that had nothing to do with what I posted..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 07:13 AM   #10 
  - I've wondered about the "shift into neutral" thing as well, but I know that if my...  Tesha   Oct-18-09 07:27 AM   #16 
  - It wasn't even his car..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 07:31 AM   #19 
  - Oh I understand the equation. I just can't guarantee I'd act correctly "in the moment".  Tesha   Oct-18-09 07:34 AM   #23 
     - Umm.. They were going 120 plus..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 07:41 AM   #24 
  - Somehow I think if I had a runaway car, the well being of the engine would be  Better Today   Oct-18-09 11:35 AM   #70 
  - Glad you made it and are with us today.  JNelson6563   Oct-18-09 04:31 PM   #81 
  - Don't know about Lexis but my Prius does not have "neutral" to shift into.  kiranon   Oct-18-09 05:24 PM   #84 
     - Actually, the Prius DOES have a neutral..  Xithras   Oct-19-09 01:36 PM   #104 
  - Perhaps you're the one who needs to re-read some posts  theHandpuppet   Oct-18-09 07:34 AM   #22 
     - I rarely look at names when I post..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 07:50 AM   #26 
  - He does know his shit about a few things......................  DainBramaged   Oct-18-09 07:54 PM   #92 
  - On thinking it over, my reaction was more to this  Ptah   Oct-18-09 07:03 AM   #9 
  - It's my opinion..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 07:22 AM   #14 
     - In emergencies people don't always act rationally  AngryAmish   Oct-18-09 07:51 AM   #27 
        - This was a trained CHP officer...  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 07:56 AM   #29 
  - read the article -  kath   Oct-18-09 01:19 PM   #75 
  - The newest Toyotas have a fancy zigzag gearshift pattern that is downright confusing.  AdHocSolver   Oct-19-09 12:03 AM   #95 
     - I don't think I'd want my car to shut down with the "tap" of a button  high density   Oct-19-09 08:47 AM   #99 
        - Not being able to shut off the engine immediately made the guy dead.  AdHocSolver   Oct-20-09 01:06 AM   #111 
  - Also from the article..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 07:28 AM   #17 
  - Winter drivin' will learn ya quick  Mopar151   Oct-18-09 05:25 PM   #85 
  - fuck, good to know. i have a push button starter. another thing, i have had excelleration  seabeyond   Oct-18-09 09:54 AM   #48 
  - This was addressed  boobooday   Oct-18-09 06:56 AM   #7 
  - I posted this as a reply to the OP by mistake, here it is again..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 07:24 AM   #15 
  - It was not a "stick" -- please see post 35  MindPilot   Oct-18-09 09:14 AM   #36 
  - try reading the article- or even the post, before responding next time...  dysfunctional press   Oct-19-09 09:38 AM   #102 
  - That is absolutely terrifying.  boobooday   Oct-18-09 06:45 AM   #4 
  - Why no brakes?  Mopar151   Oct-18-09 07:15 AM   #11 
  - He probably didn't brake hard enough soon enough.  Tesha   Oct-18-09 07:31 AM   #18 
  - That's my guess too... n/t  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 07:32 AM   #21 
  - I read about this....  Hepburn   Oct-18-09 12:41 PM   #73 
     - Cars that use a vacuum-operated brake booster always have a vacuum reservoir.  Tesha   Oct-18-09 04:16 PM   #79 
        - Actually, that 's not true  Mopar151   Oct-18-09 05:19 PM   #83 
        - Name a few. (NT)  Tesha   Oct-19-09 08:35 AM   #98 
           - Ford, GM, Chrysler  Mopar151   Oct-19-09 01:22 PM   #103 
        - Audi is known for acceleration problems.  Hepburn   Oct-18-09 05:52 PM   #86 
           - I also have a good memory.  Tesha   Oct-19-09 08:34 AM   #97 
              - The chance of driver error is greatly increased  Mopar151   Oct-19-09 09:37 PM   #109 
  - Lexus? Aren't they a very expensiveToyota?  doc03   Oct-18-09 07:18 AM   #12 
  - Some of us can recognize the difference between designed-in vehicle defects...  Tesha   Oct-18-09 07:32 AM   #20 
  - How is this operator error?  blue_onyx   Oct-18-09 09:38 AM   #42 
     - The floor mats may have initiated the problem but the driver's response was completely inadequate.  Tesha   Oct-18-09 04:25 PM   #80 
     - Why of course the Tacoma owners should  doc03   Oct-18-09 07:40 PM   #88 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-18-09 08:12 AM   #30 
  - Uncalled for comment  blue_onyx   Oct-18-09 09:41 AM   #44 
  - Of course the root of American auto problems  Bluenorthwest   Oct-18-09 11:08 AM   #65 
  - Lexus = Toyota in a Tuxedo  Hepburn   Oct-18-09 12:42 PM   #74 
  - Self delete posted in wrong place..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 07:20 AM   #13 
  - the brakes SHOULD be able to overpower the engine,  excess_3   Oct-18-09 07:46 AM   #25 
  - They are able to overpower the engine..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 07:54 AM   #28 
  - Bullshit. this happened to me in a Ford Crown Vic at...  TreasonousBastard   Oct-18-09 08:37 AM   #31 
  - I'm not aware of any car that will not go into neutral while the engine is on..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 08:51 AM   #33 
     - Don't tell me those brakes would have held for much longer...  TreasonousBastard   Oct-18-09 09:18 AM   #37 
        - Once you are stopped the brakes don't heat any more..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 09:41 AM   #43 
           - From the article...  MindPilot   Oct-18-09 09:49 AM   #46 
              - If you read the thread you'll see that I've had something similar happen to me.  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 09:58 AM   #50 
                 - I'm going to defend the cop here.  MindPilot   Oct-18-09 11:14 AM   #67 
                 - FYI: It sounds like it wasn't a stick but rather Toyota's implementation of "Tiptronic".  Tesha   Oct-18-09 04:37 PM   #82 
  - well if you were as quick thinking as you claim to be, you would have been able to stop.  uncle ray   Oct-18-09 10:23 AM   #57 
     - Downshifting doesn't stop you completely..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 10:39 AM   #58 
        - and my point is you acted wrong, and were not even in the extreme situation the cop was in.  uncle ray   Oct-18-09 10:58 AM   #62 
  - From an engineers standpoint, there's no excuse for it in a drive by wire car.  Xithras   Oct-19-09 01:40 PM   #105 
  - Convenience items are not necessarily convenient..........  Historic NY   Oct-18-09 08:47 AM   #32 
  - You saved me the trouble of saying the exact same thing.  dixiegrrrrl   Oct-18-09 02:03 PM   #76 
  - Neutral  wildflowergardener   Oct-18-09 09:07 AM   #34 
  - Neutral is basically zero gear selection  MindPilot   Oct-18-09 09:28 AM   #39 
  - Neutral has a major purpose in Manual Transmissions  NutmegYankee   Oct-18-09 11:00 AM   #63 
  - Trust me those questions were hashed out endlessly in the local blogs...  MindPilot   Oct-18-09 09:13 AM   #35 
  - That's true...  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 09:44 AM   #45 
  - "Parts omitted from the design cost nothing and cause no service problems"  MindPilot   Oct-18-09 09:57 AM   #49 
     - It's all in what you get used to..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 10:06 AM   #54 
        - Compression fracture of the wrist ="Ford Fracture"  Mopar151   Oct-18-09 02:15 PM   #77 
  - How horrible for him  Chemisse   Oct-18-09 07:48 PM   #89 
  - But I thought Japanese cars were PERFECT!?!  Odin2005   Oct-18-09 09:19 AM   #38 
  - they stopped being perfect a couple years ago. quality went into toilet  seabeyond   Oct-18-09 10:01 AM   #51 
  - Was the car stuck in cruise control  ecstatic   Oct-18-09 09:31 AM   #40 
  - No--supposedly the floor mat jammed the accelerator pedal.  MindPilot   Oct-18-09 09:33 AM   #41 
  - Imagine you are panic-ing, filled with adrenaline, and you look at this shifter...  midnight armadillo   Oct-18-09 09:53 AM   #47 
  - well, fuck. that is not an easy find, that neutral. geez. nt  seabeyond   Oct-18-09 10:02 AM   #52 
  - Looking at that pic, reverse and park are locked out..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 10:02 AM   #53 
  - Unless he was in auto-manual mode in the leftmost gate  midnight armadillo   Oct-18-09 10:19 AM   #55 
     - That's pretty much what I said..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 10:22 AM   #56 
  - Assuming he wasn't driving it in "sport" mode and then was more...  TheMadMonk   Oct-18-09 10:45 AM   #59 
  - Second column from driver, top position.  NutmegYankee   Oct-18-09 11:04 AM   #64 
  - Easy when you are looking at your computer screen.  MindPilot   Oct-18-09 11:25 AM   #69 
     - Everytime I rent a car, I study the shifter and make sure I understand it  NutmegYankee   Oct-18-09 11:36 AM   #71 
  - Up and to the right one notch for neutral, left and down for lower gear  high density   Oct-19-09 09:11 AM   #100 
  - KISS.  bvar22   Oct-18-09 10:46 AM   #60 
  - something to consider  8 track mind   Oct-18-09 10:51 AM   #61 
  - Electronic keys and floor mats are both stupid ideas  FarCenter   Oct-18-09 11:08 AM   #66 
  - I agree floormats and these starter buttons are stupid  divideandconquer   Oct-18-09 10:57 PM   #94 
  - Have you ever lived in a snowy or muddy environment?  high density   Oct-19-09 09:19 AM   #101 
  - Recommend  TexasObserver   Oct-18-09 11:18 AM   #68 
  - this is probably gonna be a stupid question, but what about yanking up the emergency brake  carlyhippy   Oct-18-09 11:41 AM   #72 
  - Simply not powerful enough.  Mopar151   Oct-18-09 04:05 PM   #78 
  - The NASCAR guys have solved this  Mopar151   Oct-18-09 06:07 PM   #87 
  - Beauty hey..........  DainBramaged   Oct-18-09 07:52 PM   #90 
  - That's not even needed on modern cars.  Xithras   Oct-19-09 01:47 PM   #106 
     - They still lack a critical component  Mopar151   Oct-19-09 09:30 PM   #108 
  - I had a throttle get stuck wide open on a motorcycle -- its scary but you trouble shoot.  aikoaiko   Oct-18-09 07:53 PM   #91 
  - Motorcycles have kill switches - something every car should have.  file83   Oct-18-09 10:27 PM   #93 
     - Nope, It was a homemade chopper and the throttle cable conduit bent in the wind  aikoaiko   Oct-19-09 12:36 AM   #96 
  - Quiet day in Toyota land...................  DainBramaged   Oct-19-09 06:08 PM   #107 
     - I threw a couple more logs on the fire n/t  Mopar151   Oct-19-09 09:40 PM   #110 

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