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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-18-09 07:52 PM
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90. Beauty hey..........
All of my restorations through the years had at least one of those bad boy switches in the car MORE for anti-theft purposes than anything else, and a coupe had banks controlling fuel pumps, ignition, alternator current, air compressor for the air bags and radio power. They just looked cool too when you got in and flipped all of the switches to start her up.......
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  -Toyota's runaway-car worries may not stop at floor mats n2doc  Oct-18-09 05:57 AM   #0 
  - Ahh, the invisible, magical, hand of the "free" market at its best. n/t  fasttense   Oct-18-09 06:24 AM   #1 
  - Never forget that Smith wrote about " 2 hands " - the other hand being the regulating power of the  Democracyinkind   Oct-18-09 06:38 AM   #3 
  - You would think a CHP officer would have the presence of mind to shift the car into neutral..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 06:37 AM   #2 
  - The article suggests you are mistaken.  Ptah   Oct-18-09 06:48 AM   #5 
  - I never said anything about turning off the ignition...  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 06:49 AM   #6 
  - Is there some reason you always cop an attitude?  theHandpuppet   Oct-18-09 06:56 AM   #8 
  - You came back with a reply that had nothing to do with what I posted..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 07:13 AM   #10 
  - I've wondered about the "shift into neutral" thing as well, but I know that if my...  Tesha   Oct-18-09 07:27 AM   #16 
  - It wasn't even his car..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 07:31 AM   #19 
  - Oh I understand the equation. I just can't guarantee I'd act correctly "in the moment".  Tesha   Oct-18-09 07:34 AM   #23 
     - Umm.. They were going 120 plus..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 07:41 AM   #24 
  - Somehow I think if I had a runaway car, the well being of the engine would be  Better Today   Oct-18-09 11:35 AM   #70 
  - Glad you made it and are with us today.  JNelson6563   Oct-18-09 04:31 PM   #81 
  - Don't know about Lexis but my Prius does not have "neutral" to shift into.  kiranon   Oct-18-09 05:24 PM   #84 
     - Actually, the Prius DOES have a neutral..  Xithras   Oct-19-09 01:36 PM   #104 
  - Perhaps you're the one who needs to re-read some posts  theHandpuppet   Oct-18-09 07:34 AM   #22 
     - I rarely look at names when I post..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 07:50 AM   #26 
  - He does know his shit about a few things......................  DainBramaged   Oct-18-09 07:54 PM   #92 
  - On thinking it over, my reaction was more to this  Ptah   Oct-18-09 07:03 AM   #9 
  - It's my opinion..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 07:22 AM   #14 
     - In emergencies people don't always act rationally  AngryAmish   Oct-18-09 07:51 AM   #27 
        - This was a trained CHP officer...  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 07:56 AM   #29 
  - read the article -  kath   Oct-18-09 01:19 PM   #75 
  - The newest Toyotas have a fancy zigzag gearshift pattern that is downright confusing.  AdHocSolver   Oct-19-09 12:03 AM   #95 
     - I don't think I'd want my car to shut down with the "tap" of a button  high density   Oct-19-09 08:47 AM   #99 
        - Not being able to shut off the engine immediately made the guy dead.  AdHocSolver   Oct-20-09 01:06 AM   #111 
  - Also from the article..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 07:28 AM   #17 
  - Winter drivin' will learn ya quick  Mopar151   Oct-18-09 05:25 PM   #85 
  - fuck, good to know. i have a push button starter. another thing, i have had excelleration  seabeyond   Oct-18-09 09:54 AM   #48 
  - This was addressed  boobooday   Oct-18-09 06:56 AM   #7 
  - I posted this as a reply to the OP by mistake, here it is again..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 07:24 AM   #15 
  - It was not a "stick" -- please see post 35  MindPilot   Oct-18-09 09:14 AM   #36 
  - try reading the article- or even the post, before responding next time...  dysfunctional press   Oct-19-09 09:38 AM   #102 
  - That is absolutely terrifying.  boobooday   Oct-18-09 06:45 AM   #4 
  - Why no brakes?  Mopar151   Oct-18-09 07:15 AM   #11 
  - He probably didn't brake hard enough soon enough.  Tesha   Oct-18-09 07:31 AM   #18 
  - That's my guess too... n/t  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 07:32 AM   #21 
  - I read about this....  Hepburn   Oct-18-09 12:41 PM   #73 
     - Cars that use a vacuum-operated brake booster always have a vacuum reservoir.  Tesha   Oct-18-09 04:16 PM   #79 
        - Actually, that 's not true  Mopar151   Oct-18-09 05:19 PM   #83 
        - Name a few. (NT)  Tesha   Oct-19-09 08:35 AM   #98 
           - Ford, GM, Chrysler  Mopar151   Oct-19-09 01:22 PM   #103 
        - Audi is known for acceleration problems.  Hepburn   Oct-18-09 05:52 PM   #86 
           - I also have a good memory.  Tesha   Oct-19-09 08:34 AM   #97 
              - The chance of driver error is greatly increased  Mopar151   Oct-19-09 09:37 PM   #109 
  - Lexus? Aren't they a very expensiveToyota?  doc03   Oct-18-09 07:18 AM   #12 
  - Some of us can recognize the difference between designed-in vehicle defects...  Tesha   Oct-18-09 07:32 AM   #20 
  - How is this operator error?  blue_onyx   Oct-18-09 09:38 AM   #42 
     - The floor mats may have initiated the problem but the driver's response was completely inadequate.  Tesha   Oct-18-09 04:25 PM   #80 
     - Why of course the Tacoma owners should  doc03   Oct-18-09 07:40 PM   #88 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-18-09 08:12 AM   #30 
  - Uncalled for comment  blue_onyx   Oct-18-09 09:41 AM   #44 
  - Of course the root of American auto problems  Bluenorthwest   Oct-18-09 11:08 AM   #65 
  - Lexus = Toyota in a Tuxedo  Hepburn   Oct-18-09 12:42 PM   #74 
  - Self delete posted in wrong place..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 07:20 AM   #13 
  - the brakes SHOULD be able to overpower the engine,  excess_3   Oct-18-09 07:46 AM   #25 
  - They are able to overpower the engine..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 07:54 AM   #28 
  - Bullshit. this happened to me in a Ford Crown Vic at...  TreasonousBastard   Oct-18-09 08:37 AM   #31 
  - I'm not aware of any car that will not go into neutral while the engine is on..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 08:51 AM   #33 
     - Don't tell me those brakes would have held for much longer...  TreasonousBastard   Oct-18-09 09:18 AM   #37 
        - Once you are stopped the brakes don't heat any more..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 09:41 AM   #43 
           - From the article...  MindPilot   Oct-18-09 09:49 AM   #46 
              - If you read the thread you'll see that I've had something similar happen to me.  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 09:58 AM   #50 
                 - I'm going to defend the cop here.  MindPilot   Oct-18-09 11:14 AM   #67 
                 - FYI: It sounds like it wasn't a stick but rather Toyota's implementation of "Tiptronic".  Tesha   Oct-18-09 04:37 PM   #82 
  - well if you were as quick thinking as you claim to be, you would have been able to stop.  uncle ray   Oct-18-09 10:23 AM   #57 
     - Downshifting doesn't stop you completely..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 10:39 AM   #58 
        - and my point is you acted wrong, and were not even in the extreme situation the cop was in.  uncle ray   Oct-18-09 10:58 AM   #62 
  - From an engineers standpoint, there's no excuse for it in a drive by wire car.  Xithras   Oct-19-09 01:40 PM   #105 
  - Convenience items are not necessarily convenient..........  Historic NY   Oct-18-09 08:47 AM   #32 
  - You saved me the trouble of saying the exact same thing.  dixiegrrrrl   Oct-18-09 02:03 PM   #76 
  - Neutral  wildflowergardener   Oct-18-09 09:07 AM   #34 
  - Neutral is basically zero gear selection  MindPilot   Oct-18-09 09:28 AM   #39 
  - Neutral has a major purpose in Manual Transmissions  NutmegYankee   Oct-18-09 11:00 AM   #63 
  - Trust me those questions were hashed out endlessly in the local blogs...  MindPilot   Oct-18-09 09:13 AM   #35 
  - That's true...  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 09:44 AM   #45 
  - "Parts omitted from the design cost nothing and cause no service problems"  MindPilot   Oct-18-09 09:57 AM   #49 
     - It's all in what you get used to..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 10:06 AM   #54 
        - Compression fracture of the wrist ="Ford Fracture"  Mopar151   Oct-18-09 02:15 PM   #77 
  - How horrible for him  Chemisse   Oct-18-09 07:48 PM   #89 
  - But I thought Japanese cars were PERFECT!?!  Odin2005   Oct-18-09 09:19 AM   #38 
  - they stopped being perfect a couple years ago. quality went into toilet  seabeyond   Oct-18-09 10:01 AM   #51 
  - Was the car stuck in cruise control  ecstatic   Oct-18-09 09:31 AM   #40 
  - No--supposedly the floor mat jammed the accelerator pedal.  MindPilot   Oct-18-09 09:33 AM   #41 
  - Imagine you are panic-ing, filled with adrenaline, and you look at this shifter...  midnight armadillo   Oct-18-09 09:53 AM   #47 
  - well, fuck. that is not an easy find, that neutral. geez. nt  seabeyond   Oct-18-09 10:02 AM   #52 
  - Looking at that pic, reverse and park are locked out..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 10:02 AM   #53 
  - Unless he was in auto-manual mode in the leftmost gate  midnight armadillo   Oct-18-09 10:19 AM   #55 
     - That's pretty much what I said..  Fumesucker   Oct-18-09 10:22 AM   #56 
  - Assuming he wasn't driving it in "sport" mode and then was more...  TheMadMonk   Oct-18-09 10:45 AM   #59 
  - Second column from driver, top position.  NutmegYankee   Oct-18-09 11:04 AM   #64 
  - Easy when you are looking at your computer screen.  MindPilot   Oct-18-09 11:25 AM   #69 
     - Everytime I rent a car, I study the shifter and make sure I understand it  NutmegYankee   Oct-18-09 11:36 AM   #71 
  - Up and to the right one notch for neutral, left and down for lower gear  high density   Oct-19-09 09:11 AM   #100 
  - KISS.  bvar22   Oct-18-09 10:46 AM   #60 
  - something to consider  8 track mind   Oct-18-09 10:51 AM   #61 
  - Electronic keys and floor mats are both stupid ideas  FarCenter   Oct-18-09 11:08 AM   #66 
  - I agree floormats and these starter buttons are stupid  divideandconquer   Oct-18-09 10:57 PM   #94 
  - Have you ever lived in a snowy or muddy environment?  high density   Oct-19-09 09:19 AM   #101 
  - Recommend  TexasObserver   Oct-18-09 11:18 AM   #68 
  - this is probably gonna be a stupid question, but what about yanking up the emergency brake  carlyhippy   Oct-18-09 11:41 AM   #72 
  - Simply not powerful enough.  Mopar151   Oct-18-09 04:05 PM   #78 
  - The NASCAR guys have solved this  Mopar151   Oct-18-09 06:07 PM   #87 
  - Beauty hey..........  DainBramaged   Oct-18-09 07:52 PM   #90 
  - That's not even needed on modern cars.  Xithras   Oct-19-09 01:47 PM   #106 
     - They still lack a critical component  Mopar151   Oct-19-09 09:30 PM   #108 
  - I had a throttle get stuck wide open on a motorcycle -- its scary but you trouble shoot.  aikoaiko   Oct-18-09 07:53 PM   #91 
  - Motorcycles have kill switches - something every car should have.  file83   Oct-18-09 10:27 PM   #93 
     - Nope, It was a homemade chopper and the throttle cable conduit bent in the wind  aikoaiko   Oct-19-09 12:36 AM   #96 
  - Quiet day in Toyota land...................  DainBramaged   Oct-19-09 06:08 PM   #107 
     - I threw a couple more logs on the fire n/t  Mopar151   Oct-19-09 09:40 PM   #110 

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