dixiegrrrrl
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Sun Oct-18-09 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #32 |
| 76. You saved me the trouble of saying the exact same thing. |
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I have been driving for over 40 years, never had an automatic.
Was taught, as an 18 y/o, by male relatives to drive, relatives who were also well versed in car mechanics, as most guys were back then, and they insisted on teaching "how a car works" and
"what to do when you hear/smell/feel this".
Has come in handy a few times, and from that I learned to prefer a stick and to "feel" the car.
Power this, push button that, keyless etc, to me means huge repair bills when it fails to work.
Just stating my preference, does not need to apply to anyone else.
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| -Toyota's runaway-car worries may not stop at floor mats |
n2doc |
Oct-18-09 05:57 AM |
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Ahh, the invisible, magical, hand of the "free" market at its best. n/t |
fasttense |
Oct-18-09 06:24 AM |
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Never forget that Smith wrote about " 2 hands " - the other hand being the regulating power of the |
Democracyinkind |
Oct-18-09 06:38 AM |
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You would think a CHP officer would have the presence of mind to shift the car into neutral.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 06:37 AM |
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The article suggests you are mistaken. |
Ptah |
Oct-18-09 06:48 AM |
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I never said anything about turning off the ignition... |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 06:49 AM |
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Is there some reason you always cop an attitude? |
theHandpuppet |
Oct-18-09 06:56 AM |
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You came back with a reply that had nothing to do with what I posted.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 07:13 AM |
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I've wondered about the "shift into neutral" thing as well, but I know that if my... |
Tesha |
Oct-18-09 07:27 AM |
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It wasn't even his car.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 07:31 AM |
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Oh I understand the equation. I just can't guarantee I'd act correctly "in the moment". |
Tesha |
Oct-18-09 07:34 AM |
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Umm.. They were going 120 plus.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 07:41 AM |
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Somehow I think if I had a runaway car, the well being of the engine would be |
Better Today |
Oct-18-09 11:35 AM |
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Glad you made it and are with us today. |
JNelson6563 |
Oct-18-09 04:31 PM |
#81 |
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Don't know about Lexis but my Prius does not have "neutral" to shift into. |
kiranon |
Oct-18-09 05:24 PM |
#84 |
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Actually, the Prius DOES have a neutral.. |
Xithras |
Oct-19-09 01:36 PM |
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Perhaps you're the one who needs to re-read some posts |
theHandpuppet |
Oct-18-09 07:34 AM |
#22 |
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I rarely look at names when I post.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 07:50 AM |
#26 |
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He does know his shit about a few things...................... |
DainBramaged |
Oct-18-09 07:54 PM |
#92 |
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On thinking it over, my reaction was more to this |
Ptah |
Oct-18-09 07:03 AM |
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It's my opinion.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 07:22 AM |
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In emergencies people don't always act rationally |
AngryAmish |
Oct-18-09 07:51 AM |
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This was a trained CHP officer... |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 07:56 AM |
#29 |
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read the article - |
kath |
Oct-18-09 01:19 PM |
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The newest Toyotas have a fancy zigzag gearshift pattern that is downright confusing. |
AdHocSolver |
Oct-19-09 12:03 AM |
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I don't think I'd want my car to shut down with the "tap" of a button |
high density |
Oct-19-09 08:47 AM |
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Not being able to shut off the engine immediately made the guy dead. |
AdHocSolver |
Oct-20-09 01:06 AM |
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Also from the article.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 07:28 AM |
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Winter drivin' will learn ya quick |
Mopar151 |
Oct-18-09 05:25 PM |
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fuck, good to know. i have a push button starter. another thing, i have had excelleration |
seabeyond |
Oct-18-09 09:54 AM |
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This was addressed |
boobooday |
Oct-18-09 06:56 AM |
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I posted this as a reply to the OP by mistake, here it is again.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 07:24 AM |
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It was not a "stick" -- please see post 35 |
MindPilot |
Oct-18-09 09:14 AM |
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try reading the article- or even the post, before responding next time... |
dysfunctional press |
Oct-19-09 09:38 AM |
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That is absolutely terrifying. |
boobooday |
Oct-18-09 06:45 AM |
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Why no brakes? |
Mopar151 |
Oct-18-09 07:15 AM |
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He probably didn't brake hard enough soon enough. |
Tesha |
Oct-18-09 07:31 AM |
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That's my guess too... n/t |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 07:32 AM |
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I read about this.... |
Hepburn |
Oct-18-09 12:41 PM |
#73 |
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Cars that use a vacuum-operated brake booster always have a vacuum reservoir. |
Tesha |
Oct-18-09 04:16 PM |
#79 |
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Actually, that 's not true |
Mopar151 |
Oct-18-09 05:19 PM |
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Name a few. (NT) |
Tesha |
Oct-19-09 08:35 AM |
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Ford, GM, Chrysler |
Mopar151 |
Oct-19-09 01:22 PM |
#103 |
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Audi is known for acceleration problems. |
Hepburn |
Oct-18-09 05:52 PM |
#86 |
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I also have a good memory. |
Tesha |
Oct-19-09 08:34 AM |
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The chance of driver error is greatly increased |
Mopar151 |
Oct-19-09 09:37 PM |
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Lexus? Aren't they a very expensiveToyota? |
doc03 |
Oct-18-09 07:18 AM |
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Some of us can recognize the difference between designed-in vehicle defects... |
Tesha |
Oct-18-09 07:32 AM |
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How is this operator error? |
blue_onyx |
Oct-18-09 09:38 AM |
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The floor mats may have initiated the problem but the driver's response was completely inadequate. |
Tesha |
Oct-18-09 04:25 PM |
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Why of course the Tacoma owners should |
doc03 |
Oct-18-09 07:40 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-18-09 08:12 AM |
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Uncalled for comment |
blue_onyx |
Oct-18-09 09:41 AM |
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Of course the root of American auto problems |
Bluenorthwest |
Oct-18-09 11:08 AM |
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Lexus = Toyota in a Tuxedo |
Hepburn |
Oct-18-09 12:42 PM |
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Self delete posted in wrong place.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 07:20 AM |
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the brakes SHOULD be able to overpower the engine, |
excess_3 |
Oct-18-09 07:46 AM |
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They are able to overpower the engine.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 07:54 AM |
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Bullshit. this happened to me in a Ford Crown Vic at... |
TreasonousBastard |
Oct-18-09 08:37 AM |
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I'm not aware of any car that will not go into neutral while the engine is on.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 08:51 AM |
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Don't tell me those brakes would have held for much longer... |
TreasonousBastard |
Oct-18-09 09:18 AM |
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Once you are stopped the brakes don't heat any more.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 09:41 AM |
#43 |
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From the article... |
MindPilot |
Oct-18-09 09:49 AM |
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If you read the thread you'll see that I've had something similar happen to me. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 09:58 AM |
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I'm going to defend the cop here. |
MindPilot |
Oct-18-09 11:14 AM |
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FYI: It sounds like it wasn't a stick but rather Toyota's implementation of "Tiptronic". |
Tesha |
Oct-18-09 04:37 PM |
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well if you were as quick thinking as you claim to be, you would have been able to stop. |
uncle ray |
Oct-18-09 10:23 AM |
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Downshifting doesn't stop you completely.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 10:39 AM |
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and my point is you acted wrong, and were not even in the extreme situation the cop was in. |
uncle ray |
Oct-18-09 10:58 AM |
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From an engineers standpoint, there's no excuse for it in a drive by wire car. |
Xithras |
Oct-19-09 01:40 PM |
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Convenience items are not necessarily convenient.......... |
Historic NY |
Oct-18-09 08:47 AM |
#32 |
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You saved me the trouble of saying the exact same thing. |
dixiegrrrrl |
Oct-18-09 02:03 PM |
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Neutral |
wildflowergardener |
Oct-18-09 09:07 AM |
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Neutral is basically zero gear selection |
MindPilot |
Oct-18-09 09:28 AM |
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Neutral has a major purpose in Manual Transmissions |
NutmegYankee |
Oct-18-09 11:00 AM |
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Trust me those questions were hashed out endlessly in the local blogs... |
MindPilot |
Oct-18-09 09:13 AM |
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That's true... |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 09:44 AM |
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"Parts omitted from the design cost nothing and cause no service problems" |
MindPilot |
Oct-18-09 09:57 AM |
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It's all in what you get used to.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 10:06 AM |
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Compression fracture of the wrist ="Ford Fracture" |
Mopar151 |
Oct-18-09 02:15 PM |
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How horrible for him |
Chemisse |
Oct-18-09 07:48 PM |
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But I thought Japanese cars were PERFECT!?! |
Odin2005 |
Oct-18-09 09:19 AM |
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they stopped being perfect a couple years ago. quality went into toilet |
seabeyond |
Oct-18-09 10:01 AM |
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Was the car stuck in cruise control |
ecstatic |
Oct-18-09 09:31 AM |
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No--supposedly the floor mat jammed the accelerator pedal. |
MindPilot |
Oct-18-09 09:33 AM |
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Imagine you are panic-ing, filled with adrenaline, and you look at this shifter... |
midnight armadillo |
Oct-18-09 09:53 AM |
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well, fuck. that is not an easy find, that neutral. geez. nt |
seabeyond |
Oct-18-09 10:02 AM |
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Looking at that pic, reverse and park are locked out.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 10:02 AM |
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Unless he was in auto-manual mode in the leftmost gate |
midnight armadillo |
Oct-18-09 10:19 AM |
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That's pretty much what I said.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 10:22 AM |
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Assuming he wasn't driving it in "sport" mode and then was more... |
TheMadMonk |
Oct-18-09 10:45 AM |
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Second column from driver, top position. |
NutmegYankee |
Oct-18-09 11:04 AM |
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Easy when you are looking at your computer screen. |
MindPilot |
Oct-18-09 11:25 AM |
#69 |
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Everytime I rent a car, I study the shifter and make sure I understand it |
NutmegYankee |
Oct-18-09 11:36 AM |
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Up and to the right one notch for neutral, left and down for lower gear |
high density |
Oct-19-09 09:11 AM |
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KISS. |
bvar22 |
Oct-18-09 10:46 AM |
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something to consider |
8 track mind |
Oct-18-09 10:51 AM |
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Electronic keys and floor mats are both stupid ideas |
FarCenter |
Oct-18-09 11:08 AM |
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I agree floormats and these starter buttons are stupid |
divideandconquer |
Oct-18-09 10:57 PM |
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Have you ever lived in a snowy or muddy environment? |
high density |
Oct-19-09 09:19 AM |
#101 |
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Recommend |
TexasObserver |
Oct-18-09 11:18 AM |
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this is probably gonna be a stupid question, but what about yanking up the emergency brake |
carlyhippy |
Oct-18-09 11:41 AM |
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Simply not powerful enough. |
Mopar151 |
Oct-18-09 04:05 PM |
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The NASCAR guys have solved this |
Mopar151 |
Oct-18-09 06:07 PM |
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Beauty hey.......... |
DainBramaged |
Oct-18-09 07:52 PM |
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That's not even needed on modern cars. |
Xithras |
Oct-19-09 01:47 PM |
#106 |
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They still lack a critical component |
Mopar151 |
Oct-19-09 09:30 PM |
#108 |
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I had a throttle get stuck wide open on a motorcycle -- its scary but you trouble shoot. |
aikoaiko |
Oct-18-09 07:53 PM |
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Motorcycles have kill switches - something every car should have. |
file83 |
Oct-18-09 10:27 PM |
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Nope, It was a homemade chopper and the throttle cable conduit bent in the wind |
aikoaiko |
Oct-19-09 12:36 AM |
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Quiet day in Toyota land................... |
DainBramaged |
Oct-19-09 06:08 PM |
#107 |
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I threw a couple more logs on the fire n/t |
Mopar151 |
Oct-19-09 09:40 PM |
#110 |
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