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Sun Oct-18-09 07:34 AM
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| 22. Perhaps you're the one who needs to re-read some posts |
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I was just a bystander in this conversation. Your posts were made as snarky replies to someone else. I was hoping to learn something from this thread but who wants to participate if you're just waiting to snap someone's head off or belittle them? Sheesh!
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| -Toyota's runaway-car worries may not stop at floor mats |
n2doc |
Oct-18-09 05:57 AM |
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Ahh, the invisible, magical, hand of the "free" market at its best. n/t |
fasttense |
Oct-18-09 06:24 AM |
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Never forget that Smith wrote about " 2 hands " - the other hand being the regulating power of the |
Democracyinkind |
Oct-18-09 06:38 AM |
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You would think a CHP officer would have the presence of mind to shift the car into neutral.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 06:37 AM |
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The article suggests you are mistaken. |
Ptah |
Oct-18-09 06:48 AM |
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I never said anything about turning off the ignition... |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 06:49 AM |
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Is there some reason you always cop an attitude? |
theHandpuppet |
Oct-18-09 06:56 AM |
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You came back with a reply that had nothing to do with what I posted.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 07:13 AM |
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I've wondered about the "shift into neutral" thing as well, but I know that if my... |
Tesha |
Oct-18-09 07:27 AM |
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It wasn't even his car.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 07:31 AM |
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Oh I understand the equation. I just can't guarantee I'd act correctly "in the moment". |
Tesha |
Oct-18-09 07:34 AM |
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Umm.. They were going 120 plus.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 07:41 AM |
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Somehow I think if I had a runaway car, the well being of the engine would be |
Better Today |
Oct-18-09 11:35 AM |
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Glad you made it and are with us today. |
JNelson6563 |
Oct-18-09 04:31 PM |
#81 |
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Don't know about Lexis but my Prius does not have "neutral" to shift into. |
kiranon |
Oct-18-09 05:24 PM |
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Actually, the Prius DOES have a neutral.. |
Xithras |
Oct-19-09 01:36 PM |
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Perhaps you're the one who needs to re-read some posts |
theHandpuppet |
Oct-18-09 07:34 AM |
#22 |
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I rarely look at names when I post.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 07:50 AM |
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He does know his shit about a few things...................... |
DainBramaged |
Oct-18-09 07:54 PM |
#92 |
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On thinking it over, my reaction was more to this |
Ptah |
Oct-18-09 07:03 AM |
#9 |
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It's my opinion.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 07:22 AM |
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In emergencies people don't always act rationally |
AngryAmish |
Oct-18-09 07:51 AM |
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This was a trained CHP officer... |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 07:56 AM |
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read the article - |
kath |
Oct-18-09 01:19 PM |
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The newest Toyotas have a fancy zigzag gearshift pattern that is downright confusing. |
AdHocSolver |
Oct-19-09 12:03 AM |
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I don't think I'd want my car to shut down with the "tap" of a button |
high density |
Oct-19-09 08:47 AM |
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Not being able to shut off the engine immediately made the guy dead. |
AdHocSolver |
Oct-20-09 01:06 AM |
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Also from the article.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 07:28 AM |
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Winter drivin' will learn ya quick |
Mopar151 |
Oct-18-09 05:25 PM |
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fuck, good to know. i have a push button starter. another thing, i have had excelleration |
seabeyond |
Oct-18-09 09:54 AM |
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This was addressed |
boobooday |
Oct-18-09 06:56 AM |
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I posted this as a reply to the OP by mistake, here it is again.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 07:24 AM |
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It was not a "stick" -- please see post 35 |
MindPilot |
Oct-18-09 09:14 AM |
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try reading the article- or even the post, before responding next time... |
dysfunctional press |
Oct-19-09 09:38 AM |
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That is absolutely terrifying. |
boobooday |
Oct-18-09 06:45 AM |
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Why no brakes? |
Mopar151 |
Oct-18-09 07:15 AM |
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He probably didn't brake hard enough soon enough. |
Tesha |
Oct-18-09 07:31 AM |
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That's my guess too... n/t |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 07:32 AM |
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I read about this.... |
Hepburn |
Oct-18-09 12:41 PM |
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Cars that use a vacuum-operated brake booster always have a vacuum reservoir. |
Tesha |
Oct-18-09 04:16 PM |
#79 |
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Actually, that 's not true |
Mopar151 |
Oct-18-09 05:19 PM |
#83 |
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Name a few. (NT) |
Tesha |
Oct-19-09 08:35 AM |
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Ford, GM, Chrysler |
Mopar151 |
Oct-19-09 01:22 PM |
#103 |
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Audi is known for acceleration problems. |
Hepburn |
Oct-18-09 05:52 PM |
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I also have a good memory. |
Tesha |
Oct-19-09 08:34 AM |
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The chance of driver error is greatly increased |
Mopar151 |
Oct-19-09 09:37 PM |
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Lexus? Aren't they a very expensiveToyota? |
doc03 |
Oct-18-09 07:18 AM |
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Some of us can recognize the difference between designed-in vehicle defects... |
Tesha |
Oct-18-09 07:32 AM |
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How is this operator error? |
blue_onyx |
Oct-18-09 09:38 AM |
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The floor mats may have initiated the problem but the driver's response was completely inadequate. |
Tesha |
Oct-18-09 04:25 PM |
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Why of course the Tacoma owners should |
doc03 |
Oct-18-09 07:40 PM |
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Name removed |
Oct-18-09 08:12 AM |
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Uncalled for comment |
blue_onyx |
Oct-18-09 09:41 AM |
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Of course the root of American auto problems |
Bluenorthwest |
Oct-18-09 11:08 AM |
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Lexus = Toyota in a Tuxedo |
Hepburn |
Oct-18-09 12:42 PM |
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Self delete posted in wrong place.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 07:20 AM |
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the brakes SHOULD be able to overpower the engine, |
excess_3 |
Oct-18-09 07:46 AM |
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They are able to overpower the engine.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 07:54 AM |
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Bullshit. this happened to me in a Ford Crown Vic at... |
TreasonousBastard |
Oct-18-09 08:37 AM |
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I'm not aware of any car that will not go into neutral while the engine is on.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 08:51 AM |
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Don't tell me those brakes would have held for much longer... |
TreasonousBastard |
Oct-18-09 09:18 AM |
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Once you are stopped the brakes don't heat any more.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 09:41 AM |
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From the article... |
MindPilot |
Oct-18-09 09:49 AM |
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If you read the thread you'll see that I've had something similar happen to me. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 09:58 AM |
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I'm going to defend the cop here. |
MindPilot |
Oct-18-09 11:14 AM |
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FYI: It sounds like it wasn't a stick but rather Toyota's implementation of "Tiptronic". |
Tesha |
Oct-18-09 04:37 PM |
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well if you were as quick thinking as you claim to be, you would have been able to stop. |
uncle ray |
Oct-18-09 10:23 AM |
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Downshifting doesn't stop you completely.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 10:39 AM |
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and my point is you acted wrong, and were not even in the extreme situation the cop was in. |
uncle ray |
Oct-18-09 10:58 AM |
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From an engineers standpoint, there's no excuse for it in a drive by wire car. |
Xithras |
Oct-19-09 01:40 PM |
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Convenience items are not necessarily convenient.......... |
Historic NY |
Oct-18-09 08:47 AM |
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You saved me the trouble of saying the exact same thing. |
dixiegrrrrl |
Oct-18-09 02:03 PM |
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Neutral |
wildflowergardener |
Oct-18-09 09:07 AM |
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Neutral is basically zero gear selection |
MindPilot |
Oct-18-09 09:28 AM |
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Neutral has a major purpose in Manual Transmissions |
NutmegYankee |
Oct-18-09 11:00 AM |
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Trust me those questions were hashed out endlessly in the local blogs... |
MindPilot |
Oct-18-09 09:13 AM |
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That's true... |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 09:44 AM |
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"Parts omitted from the design cost nothing and cause no service problems" |
MindPilot |
Oct-18-09 09:57 AM |
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It's all in what you get used to.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 10:06 AM |
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Compression fracture of the wrist ="Ford Fracture" |
Mopar151 |
Oct-18-09 02:15 PM |
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How horrible for him |
Chemisse |
Oct-18-09 07:48 PM |
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But I thought Japanese cars were PERFECT!?! |
Odin2005 |
Oct-18-09 09:19 AM |
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they stopped being perfect a couple years ago. quality went into toilet |
seabeyond |
Oct-18-09 10:01 AM |
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Was the car stuck in cruise control |
ecstatic |
Oct-18-09 09:31 AM |
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No--supposedly the floor mat jammed the accelerator pedal. |
MindPilot |
Oct-18-09 09:33 AM |
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Imagine you are panic-ing, filled with adrenaline, and you look at this shifter... |
midnight armadillo |
Oct-18-09 09:53 AM |
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well, fuck. that is not an easy find, that neutral. geez. nt |
seabeyond |
Oct-18-09 10:02 AM |
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Looking at that pic, reverse and park are locked out.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 10:02 AM |
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Unless he was in auto-manual mode in the leftmost gate |
midnight armadillo |
Oct-18-09 10:19 AM |
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That's pretty much what I said.. |
Fumesucker |
Oct-18-09 10:22 AM |
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Assuming he wasn't driving it in "sport" mode and then was more... |
TheMadMonk |
Oct-18-09 10:45 AM |
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Second column from driver, top position. |
NutmegYankee |
Oct-18-09 11:04 AM |
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Easy when you are looking at your computer screen. |
MindPilot |
Oct-18-09 11:25 AM |
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Everytime I rent a car, I study the shifter and make sure I understand it |
NutmegYankee |
Oct-18-09 11:36 AM |
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Up and to the right one notch for neutral, left and down for lower gear |
high density |
Oct-19-09 09:11 AM |
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KISS. |
bvar22 |
Oct-18-09 10:46 AM |
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something to consider |
8 track mind |
Oct-18-09 10:51 AM |
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Electronic keys and floor mats are both stupid ideas |
FarCenter |
Oct-18-09 11:08 AM |
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I agree floormats and these starter buttons are stupid |
divideandconquer |
Oct-18-09 10:57 PM |
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Have you ever lived in a snowy or muddy environment? |
high density |
Oct-19-09 09:19 AM |
#101 |
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Recommend |
TexasObserver |
Oct-18-09 11:18 AM |
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this is probably gonna be a stupid question, but what about yanking up the emergency brake |
carlyhippy |
Oct-18-09 11:41 AM |
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Simply not powerful enough. |
Mopar151 |
Oct-18-09 04:05 PM |
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The NASCAR guys have solved this |
Mopar151 |
Oct-18-09 06:07 PM |
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Beauty hey.......... |
DainBramaged |
Oct-18-09 07:52 PM |
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That's not even needed on modern cars. |
Xithras |
Oct-19-09 01:47 PM |
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They still lack a critical component |
Mopar151 |
Oct-19-09 09:30 PM |
#108 |
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I had a throttle get stuck wide open on a motorcycle -- its scary but you trouble shoot. |
aikoaiko |
Oct-18-09 07:53 PM |
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Motorcycles have kill switches - something every car should have. |
file83 |
Oct-18-09 10:27 PM |
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Nope, It was a homemade chopper and the throttle cable conduit bent in the wind |
aikoaiko |
Oct-19-09 12:36 AM |
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Quiet day in Toyota land................... |
DainBramaged |
Oct-19-09 06:08 PM |
#107 |
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I threw a couple more logs on the fire n/t |
Mopar151 |
Oct-19-09 09:40 PM |
#110 |
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