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166. Or zap it away...
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  -I believe the VT shooter was an undiagnosed schizophrenic. WilliamPitt  Apr-17-07 02:04 PM   #0 
  - I have the same suspicion. n/t  Dora   Apr-17-07 02:05 PM   #1 
  - I disagree, but time will tell.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 02:06 PM   #2 
  - Maybe not  WilliamPitt   Apr-17-07 02:07 PM   #4 
     - I know that. But according to reports and information I've heard  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 02:09 PM   #7 
        - What's DSM-IV?  question everything   Apr-17-07 02:16 PM   #22 
        - Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition eom  varkam   Apr-17-07 02:17 PM   #23 
        - In general terms, it's borderline personality disorder.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 02:21 PM   #28 
           - I think you're confused...  pamela   Apr-17-07 02:28 PM   #33 
           - LOL. I know.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 02:29 PM   #34 
              - Been there, done that-lol.  pamela   Apr-17-07 02:36 PM   #44 
                 - No, it's fine. I appreciate it.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 02:37 PM   #47 
           - Thank you. You obviously know a lot about this field  question everything   Apr-17-07 02:46 PM   #65 
           - LOL. I have an online subscription to the WSJ  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 02:47 PM   #67 
           - Except folks with Borderline are much more likely to hurt themselves  sfexpat2000   Apr-17-07 03:05 PM   #91 
              - Welcome to the Bill Frist Club! LOL.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 03:11 PM   #96 
              - Yesterday I immediately wanted to know about his parents.  sfexpat2000   Apr-17-07 03:23 PM   #105 
              - I doubt she was his girlfriend.  tblue37   Apr-17-07 06:23 PM   #133 
              - I totally agree with you  Duppers   Apr-17-07 06:18 PM   #131 
        - I disagree...  sendero   Apr-17-07 06:28 PM   #135 
        - Very, very interesting  LostinVA   Apr-17-07 07:08 PM   #146 
        - why not discuss root cause  peacetheonlyway   Apr-18-07 01:48 AM   #175 
           - THANK YOU!!  undergroundpanther   Apr-18-07 02:04 AM   #177 
           - has anyone read his play?  peacetheonlyway   Apr-18-07 02:12 AM   #178 
           - Great post!  Artiechoke   Apr-18-07 02:40 AM   #181 
           - wow, stunning good analysis  peacetheonlyway   Apr-18-07 02:57 AM   #182 
              - I use to read Anne Sexton.  Artiechoke   Apr-18-07 03:39 AM   #185 
           - Your last sentence isn't totally accurate.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-18-07 10:21 AM   #188 
  - it might be any type of dissociative disorder  NightWatcher   Apr-17-07 02:07 PM   #3 
  - I'll be sure not to offend my family members  WilliamPitt   Apr-17-07 02:08 PM   #5 
  - I'm fine with the term "schizo"  NightWatcher   Apr-17-07 02:12 PM   #14 
  - Part of the problem with schizophrenes...  Juniperx   Apr-17-07 03:19 PM   #101 
  - Loss of insight is a recognized symptom  sloppyliberal   Apr-17-07 07:50 PM   #153 
  - I've known a couple people with schizophrenia...  badgerpup   Apr-18-07 12:03 AM   #156 
  - I'll second that...  Juniperx   Apr-17-07 03:17 PM   #100 
  - I'm puzzled by your comment.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 02:10 PM   #10 
  - "schizo" has been demonized in some areas and equated with being a monster  NightWatcher   Apr-17-07 02:13 PM   #18 
  - I know, I'm a shrink, but that's not what Will said.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 02:14 PM   #21 
  - Actually, "shrink" has been demonized in some areas and equated with being a monster, too  Bucky   Apr-17-07 02:49 PM   #69 
  - Not by me, nor anyone I respect.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 02:51 PM   #72 
     - Good for you!  Juniperx   Apr-17-07 03:20 PM   #102 
  - self-delete. nt  Artiechoke   Apr-18-07 12:44 AM   #164 
  - Will did not even use the term "Schizo"!!  aljones   Apr-17-07 02:19 PM   #25 
  - i don't know about "schizo" being equated with "being a monster"  orleans   Apr-17-07 02:45 PM   #62 
  - You aren't one of those people who gets offended by the medical term  kestrel91316   Apr-17-07 02:57 PM   #75 
  - It's a touchy subject for many mentally ill people.  maggiegault   Apr-17-07 03:01 PM   #79 
     - Bipolar disorder is not schizophrenia  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 03:08 PM   #93 
        - As I am bipolar, I already knew that.  maggiegault   Apr-17-07 03:25 PM   #107 
        - Sorry, I must have misintepreted what you wrote.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 03:26 PM   #109 
           - No, just how I could understand why someone might take offense at "schizo"  maggiegault   Apr-17-07 05:20 PM   #126 
              - That was the whole point, Will never used that term.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 06:03 PM   #130 
        - Is it true  RedCappedBandit   Apr-17-07 07:29 PM   #151 
           - I think it's a matter of semantics, frankly.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-18-07 10:19 AM   #186 
  - I prefer to use the proper medical term:  Warpy   Apr-17-07 02:13 PM   #17 
  - That made me laugh for the first time in two days.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 02:14 PM   #19 
  - I thought it was "crazier than a crackhouse rat"  NightWatcher   Apr-17-07 02:14 PM   #20 
  - From any other DUer, funny. From Warpy, with the little we know of your work...  havocmom   Apr-18-07 12:13 AM   #158 
  - It seems clear he was in the acute phase of a psychosis.  TahitiNut   Apr-17-07 02:33 PM   #40 
  - You know, I hope you are right.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 02:59 PM   #76 
     - These aren't mutually exclusive situations.  sfexpat2000   Apr-17-07 03:15 PM   #99 
     - True, true.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 03:22 PM   #104 
        - I know. Me, too. n/t  sfexpat2000   Apr-17-07 03:26 PM   #108 
        - Or zap it away...  Artiechoke   Apr-18-07 12:53 AM   #166 
     - evil  Duppers   Apr-17-07 06:32 PM   #136 
        - OMG.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 06:50 PM   #140 
           - Thanks!  Duppers   Apr-17-07 07:00 PM   #144 
              - Thank you! That's very kind of you.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 07:16 PM   #148 
  - Only negative because it's such an awful mental illness.  jedicord   Apr-17-07 03:01 PM   #81 
  - Very well could be.  Bornaginhooligan   Apr-17-07 02:08 PM   #6 
  - Perhaps I Am Also...  OrangeCountyDemocrat   Apr-17-07 02:09 PM   #8 
  - Is this something that can be determined via autopsy?  Reader Rabbit   Apr-17-07 02:09 PM   #9 
  - I don't know.  WilliamPitt   Apr-17-07 02:10 PM   #11 
  - Check it out...  Juniperx   Apr-17-07 04:33 PM   #118 
     - Thanks! But it leads to another question...  Reader Rabbit   Apr-17-07 04:42 PM   #121 
     - Ugh...  Juniperx   Apr-17-07 06:40 PM   #138 
     - Not so fast...  Feron   Apr-17-07 05:02 PM   #124 
        - Not so fast...  Juniperx   Apr-17-07 05:29 PM   #129 
           - Not so fast..  Artiechoke   Apr-18-07 01:37 AM   #173 
  - I can't think of a journal article I've ever read where it was determined  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 02:11 PM   #13 
  - Maybe  RobinA   Apr-17-07 02:25 PM   #29 
     - I really don't know.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 02:27 PM   #32 
  - No, changes in brain structure/chemistry are mostly detectable  Warpy   Apr-17-07 02:12 PM   #15 
  - He was an English major.  stellanoir   Apr-17-07 02:13 PM   #16 
  - Schizophrenia is organic brain disease, so there might be some sort  kestrel91316   Apr-17-07 03:04 PM   #86 
  - Higher probability if father is older than 40. Cats not big risk factor.  politicat   Apr-17-07 04:19 PM   #111 
  - I would believe this study if...  Juniperx   Apr-17-07 04:30 PM   #117 
  - Malnutrition, vitamin D deficiency - my grandmother's teeth all  kestrel91316   Apr-17-07 04:33 PM   #119 
  - It only applies to black cats. Psychiatry is still a pseudo-science.  Artiechoke   Apr-18-07 01:31 AM   #172 
  - You can tell by examining the brain...  Juniperx   Apr-17-07 04:26 PM   #116 
  - That only holds in a live patient, though, correct?  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 06:52 PM   #142 
  - For some anomalies, not others  Juniperx   Apr-17-07 07:05 PM   #145 
     - I apologize for being unclear.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 07:15 PM   #147 
        - Yes, in some cases schizophrenia can be detected post-mortem  Juniperx   Apr-17-07 07:23 PM   #150 
  - I say it's bullshit. Where are the studies showing the effects  Artiechoke   Apr-18-07 12:16 AM   #159 
  - It's not organic and it hasn't been fully demonstrated.  Artiechoke   Apr-18-07 12:58 AM   #167 
  - Yes  Juniperx   Apr-17-07 04:24 PM   #113 
  - Brain activity AND structure are different than...  Juniperx   Apr-17-07 04:25 PM   #114 
  - Probably not with the head blown off...  depakid   Apr-17-07 05:10 PM   #125 
  - Most schizophrenics, even the most paranoid of them,  Warpy   Apr-17-07 02:10 PM   #12 
  - I was just thinking that as well.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 02:25 PM   #30 
  - I Don't Think  RobinA   Apr-17-07 02:29 PM   #35 
  - Well, remember, Son of Sam was diagnosed as schizophrenic  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 02:31 PM   #36 
     - Kurt Vonnegut would have been given the same diagnosis...  Artiechoke   Apr-18-07 12:39 AM   #162 
  - Some are  WilliamPitt   Apr-17-07 02:42 PM   #53 
  - Schizophrenics do, however, have the ability to become extremely  kestrel91316   Apr-17-07 03:07 PM   #92 
  - sometimes this is true  Daedelus76   Apr-18-07 01:07 AM   #170 
  - schizoids don't hate people  Daedelus76   Apr-18-07 01:03 AM   #168 
  - The paranoid ones can get violent when they believe people  Raksha   Apr-18-07 01:07 AM   #169 
  - A DISTURBING One-Act Play by Cho is up at TheSmokingGun  spooked   Apr-17-07 02:18 PM   #24 
  - Sounds like some of the movie previews I see on the comedy channel.  Sapere aude   Apr-17-07 02:35 PM   #43 
  - Just read Richard McBeef.....not very distrubing  aljones   Apr-17-07 02:43 PM   #54 
  - What's most disturbing about the play is...  spooked   Apr-17-07 02:51 PM   #71 
  - Well, it ain't exactly Hamlet.  Bornaginhooligan   Apr-17-07 03:03 PM   #84 
  - Similar Situation  RobinA   Apr-17-07 02:20 PM   #26 
  - Ishmael Ax is a clue. He was either planning on forming a heavy metal band or  gbrooks   Apr-17-07 02:20 PM   #27 
  - Ishmael Ax  ben_meyers   Apr-17-07 02:35 PM   #42 
  - Thanks. I was looking for a koranic reference but couldn't find it  gbrooks   Apr-17-07 02:41 PM   #51 
  - Serious Medical Intervention! You said it!  Duppers   Apr-17-07 06:45 PM   #139 
  - The majority of people with schizophrenia are not violent  The empressof all   Apr-17-07 02:26 PM   #31 
  - Unfortunately, it's the violent ones who made headlines.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 02:41 PM   #50 
  - Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.  Artiechoke   Apr-18-07 01:44 AM   #174 
  - Armchair psychoanalyze much?  Progs Rock   Apr-17-07 02:32 PM   #37 
  - There's no reason to be rude.  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 02:32 PM   #38 
     - No rude feelings intended.  Progs Rock   Apr-17-07 02:33 PM   #39 
        - It's a helluva lot less irresponsible than some of the other shit posted  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 02:36 PM   #45 
        - What do other posts have to do with it?  Progs Rock   Apr-17-07 02:43 PM   #57 
        - I was misled by it and also think the headline should be changed.  antfarm   Apr-17-07 02:39 PM   #49 
        - If you read what he posted, he's commenting on personal  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 02:43 PM   #58 
        - It says "I believe" right in the title. Isn't that obviously opinion?  janesez   Apr-17-07 03:00 PM   #78 
           - He has since edited it. nt  antfarm   Apr-17-07 03:13 PM   #97 
        - He said "I believe." That means opinion, doesn't it?  janesez   Apr-17-07 03:00 PM   #77 
           - He edited  MonkeyFunk   Apr-17-07 03:03 PM   #83 
              - Ah. Didn't realize that, thanks for the info.  janesez   Apr-17-07 03:05 PM   #88 
  - I knew you were going to post this. I had the same thought.  Raven   Apr-17-07 02:34 PM   #41 
  - I think people may have picked up on it  johnnie   Apr-17-07 02:42 PM   #52 
     - Nothing. Psychiatric care cannot be forced upon a person  kestrel91316   Apr-17-07 03:11 PM   #95 
        - I wonder if that's something that might change...  regnaD kciN   Apr-17-07 03:41 PM   #110 
           - Nah. Our legislators spend too much time on BS and ignore the  kestrel91316   Apr-17-07 04:25 PM   #115 
              - They have civil liberties like you.  Artiechoke   Apr-18-07 12:33 AM   #161 
  - Interesting OPINION  MistressOverdone   Apr-17-07 02:37 PM   #46 
  - .  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 02:38 PM   #48 
  - Seconded n/t  johnnie   Apr-17-07 02:43 PM   # 
  - Good thing you read the post, then  WilliamPitt   Apr-17-07 02:43 PM   #55 
     - Well, I always read your posts!  MistressOverdone   Apr-17-07 02:45 PM   #61 
  - I initially wondered about a history of being bullied, as in the Columbine case  Lil Missy   Apr-17-07 02:43 PM   #56 
  - He set a fire in the dorm and they let him stay there??!!  kerry-is-my-prez   Apr-17-07 02:43 PM   #59 
  - The fire in the dorm room bears investigating - why wasn't he kicked out then?  riderinthestorm   Apr-17-07 03:03 PM   #82 
  - Thank you Dr. Frist  MonkeyFunk   Apr-17-07 02:44 PM   #60 
  - No, it looks like a ball of crap.  WilliamPitt   Apr-17-07 02:46 PM   #64 
  - ah  MonkeyFunk   Apr-17-07 03:04 PM   #87 
  - That's not a mole. It's an unformed MonkeyFunkTwin  Bucky   Apr-17-07 02:47 PM   #66 
  - I appreciate the edit  MistressOverdone   Apr-17-07 02:46 PM   #63 
  - Me too. Thanks, Will. nt  antfarm   Apr-17-07 02:49 PM   #70 
  - Just let me add some more...  Raven   Apr-17-07 02:48 PM   #68 
  - and one of the other most damaging aspects of schizophrenia  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 02:54 PM   #74 
     - Absolutely! In the situation I am most familiar with, the medication  Raven   Apr-17-07 03:01 PM   #80 
        - Many years ago, pre children (my own)  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 03:05 PM   #90 
  - My mom went undiagnosed until her late 30s (she's very clever  kestrel91316   Apr-17-07 02:54 PM   #73 
  - Very unusual in women but not unheard of. What happened to your Mom?  Raven   Apr-17-07 03:05 PM   #89 
     - After thirty years of untreated schizophrenia (or whatever the hell  kestrel91316   Apr-17-07 04:24 PM   #112 
        - I'm sorry,Kestrel. n/t  Raven   Apr-17-07 04:41 PM   #120 
  - I'm going with SPO  MichaelHarris   Apr-17-07 03:04 PM   #85 
  - Well it was something, that's for sure.  hunter   Apr-17-07 03:08 PM   #94 
  - I've said the same thing in many threads in the past 24 hours  Juniperx   Apr-17-07 03:14 PM   #98 
  - As a person with schizophrenic family members  Katzenkavalier   Apr-17-07 03:21 PM   #103 
  - He may have been.  H2O Man   Apr-17-07 03:24 PM   #106 
  - Which, of course, does NOT cause all its victims to slay people.  Zhade   Apr-17-07 04:46 PM   #122 
  - I am enjoying the treads I've spawned.  Artiechoke   Apr-17-07 11:57 PM   #155 
  - Definitely mentally ill, not sure which illness.  meldroc   Apr-17-07 04:59 PM   #123 
  - In the spirit of respect for human beings  loyalsister   Apr-17-07 05:23 PM   #127 
  - Health care, not bombs.  Gregorian   Apr-17-07 05:23 PM   #128 
  - I think you are discriminating.  Artiechoke   Apr-17-07 06:21 PM   #132 
  - Don't Put It on Schizophrenics  Hidden Stillness   Apr-17-07 06:24 PM   #134 
  - Chapel Hill 1995 - UNC student shoots two people downtown  Hissyspit   Apr-17-07 06:50 PM   #141 
  - I believe it is more of a way of saying  Midlodemocrat   Apr-17-07 06:53 PM   #143 
  - I'm not pulling this idea out of my ass.  WilliamPitt   Apr-17-07 11:29 PM   #154 
  - So what exactly is the point of your op?  Artiechoke   Apr-18-07 02:29 AM   #179 
     - The expression of opinion, inspired by events, based on that data and formed by experience.  WilliamPitt   Apr-18-07 02:35 AM   #180 
        - You are a great presence here, Will,  Artiechoke   Apr-18-07 03:25 AM   #183 
  - self-delete. Crouching tiger,biting tongue.  Artiechoke   Apr-18-07 12:03 AM   #157 
  - My BIL is schizophrenic and had his first psychotic break at 19 yrs old  Shine   Apr-17-07 06:38 PM   #137 
  - Hard to say at this point  Blue_Roses   Apr-17-07 07:16 PM   #149 
  - I don't think there is enough evidence  RedCappedBandit   Apr-17-07 07:33 PM   #152 
  - Could be but I think you're overstating the case at this point.  AJ9000   Apr-18-07 12:19 AM   #160 
  - medications related to the treatment of psychological problems  western mass   Apr-18-07 12:44 AM   #163 
  - He was paranoid, that's for sure  barb162   Apr-18-07 12:47 AM   #165 
  - Could be major depressive disorder with psychotic features....  sjbech   Apr-18-07 01:19 AM   #171 
  - We won't.  Artiechoke   Apr-18-07 01:55 AM   #176 
  - It certainly sounds right to me. The interview with his  anitar1   Apr-18-07 03:33 AM   #184 
  - It could be bi polar as well, they are similar in some aspects.  AuntPatsy   Apr-18-07 10:20 AM   #187 
 

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