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15. Principles that make me a "progressive"
Edited on Sat Oct-17-09 09:24 AM by MH1
1. Governments (should) exist to improve the welfare of their citizens and protect the citizens from predictable and preventable threats while preserving individual rights.
2. The definition of "welfare of their citizens" and the right balance between protection and individual rights are debatable points that should be settled democratically, within the boundary of certain rules.
3. Boundary rules for #2: all people should be treated equally by the government, and not subject to punishment or restriction of rights OR significant unfair advantages for factors that are beyond the individual's control, except in extreme cases of threat to other members of society. (The exception takes into account things like locking up drunk drivers, for those who subscribe to the common theory that drinking is beyond the alcoholic's control).
4. Number 1 requires the establishment of rules that may seem to infringe on the "rights" of some citizens, and these should be determined democratically, within the boundaries described in #3.

But what really makes me a "progressive":

5. Changing the rules will almost always cause significant upheaval in some people's lives - as commonly said, there are winners and losers. People should not be drastically punished for playing by the rules of the games within ethical boundaries that they were raised to believe in. (Edit to add: the boundaries in #3 require this.) And regardless of the "should", the fact is that rapid, draconian (to some) change will usually cause backlash, that will often reverse the positive social change that was intended, and create cultural divides. Therefore progressive change (slower, more incremental, more compassionate to all) is preferred to radical change.


My definition of "progressive" is not that of the current "progressive" movement. Most "progressives" I've met are actually radicals but don't want to call themselves what they are. They want overnight change in all things, not caring about how that will affect everyday people caught on the wrong side of the issue, or what might happen with the backlash. (I am not talking about gay marriage here, by the way. Civil rights come under #3 and are more urgent to deal with, particularly when few if any people of ethical behavior will be hurt.) So, I don't usually call myself a "progressive", because I don't want to be identified as a radical when I'm not.

I usually just call myself a liberal.
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  Do you identify as "progressive"? If so, could you do me a favour? Zix  Oct-17-09 08:37 AM   #0 
   Progrssives should Lift Each Other UP  goclark   Oct-17-09 08:40 AM   #1 
   I tend to think of it more "systematically"...  Tesha   Oct-17-09 09:03 AM   #8 
   Stick up for the little guy against the bully.  CJCRANE   Oct-17-09 08:43 AM   #2 
   Or, he simply removes your name off his death list when he gets older and goes to murder his enemies  Selatius   Oct-17-09 09:02 AM   #7 
   Sure  TransitJohn   Oct-17-09 08:54 AM   #3 
   I think you really said it all for me except #2....  Walk away   Oct-17-09 09:09 AM   #10 
   re 5. ...  Zix   Oct-17-09 09:33 AM   #17 
   Conflicts that are already violent  TransitJohn   Oct-17-09 10:37 PM   #47 
   BINGO  HowHasItComeToThis   Oct-17-09 08:16 PM   #32 
   The goals are not much off a libertarians but I suspect how to get there differs  stray cat   Oct-17-09 09:00 AM   #4 
   Progressives primarily hold that society can and should be made better.  HereSince1628   Oct-17-09 09:00 AM   #5 
   Critics of progressivism often say we want to improve the individual..  evenso   Oct-17-09 09:09 AM   #11 
      Yes, I basically agree with the sentiment of that.  HereSince1628   Oct-17-09 09:17 AM   #14 
   One's personal morality/religious beliefs  Ineeda   Oct-17-09 09:02 AM   #6 
   regarding foreign policy...  evenso   Oct-17-09 09:05 AM   #9 
   Why is America exceptional?  Zix   Oct-17-09 09:55 AM   #21 
   America is exceptional - though not always a positive force in the world...  evenso   Oct-17-09 07:15 PM   #24 
   Why should America even have to lead? Why can't we just sit it out? nt  anonymous171   Oct-17-09 07:41 PM   #28 
      When I say "lead by example", I mean we do it by not intervening...  evenso   Oct-18-09 09:06 AM   #54 
   I assume that you are a Libertarian. Did you see the Youtube...  Walk away   Oct-17-09 09:11 AM   #12 
   I'm not a Libertarian.  Zix   Oct-17-09 09:32 AM   #16 
      I'm supposed to say "you'll never be a Libertarian" and ...  Walk away   Oct-17-09 12:34 PM   #22 
         Shrug.  Zix   Oct-17-09 08:59 PM   #37 
   The individual has a better chance of survival through cooperation with others than going alone.  Selatius   Oct-17-09 09:12 AM   #13 
   Excellent response with which I agree.  Zix   Oct-17-09 09:45 AM   #19 
   Principles that make me a "progressive"  MH1   Oct-17-09 09:22 AM   #15 
   re 5. - interesting point often ignored.  Zix   Oct-17-09 09:39 AM   #18 
   for starters  nevergiveup   Oct-17-09 09:52 AM   #20 
   I'll co-sign and give you a rec,  bvar22   Oct-17-09 01:14 PM   #23 
   FDR said it well in his "Economic Bill of Rights"  Overseas   Oct-17-09 07:20 PM   #25 
   I don't hide behind "progressive". I'm a liberal and that's that.  Stinky The Clown   Oct-17-09 07:34 PM   #26 
   Me neither. I also have issues with progressivism and progressives in general.  anonymous171   Oct-17-09 07:40 PM   #27 
   1. Government should play a role in regulating capitalism  Marr   Oct-17-09 07:56 PM   #29 
   One principle. Everything follows from it: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.  mnhtnbb   Oct-17-09 07:59 PM   #30 
   Liberal... slight diffrence  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-17-09 08:02 PM   #31 
   Ditto! I am a LIBERAL, I am pround, not ashamed of the label.  Odin2005   Oct-17-09 08:44 PM   #34 
      ??? why would you be ashamed of being a liberal?  Zix   Oct-17-09 09:05 PM   # 
         I'm not ashamed of being a liberal, I just reject the deminization of the word and so...  Odin2005   Oct-17-09 09:52 PM   #44 
   my 5:  patrice   Oct-17-09 08:35 PM   #33 
   That's a very good list. nt  Codeine   Oct-17-09 09:45 PM   #43 
      Thanks. I've been thinking about it ever since we started using the word.  patrice   Oct-17-09 11:12 PM   #51 
   I'm a Liberal  dmr   Oct-17-09 08:44 PM   #35 
   The Label comes after The Issues.  bvar22   Oct-17-09 08:59 PM   #36 
   Mmmm, I'd have called these "political aims", rather than principles  Zix   Oct-17-09 10:15 PM   #45 
   I've got about five.  Orsino   Oct-17-09 09:05 PM   #38 
   Here is my list  Juche   Oct-17-09 09:11 PM   #39 
   Carefully written stuff! thanks!  Zix   Oct-17-09 11:02 PM   #49 
   ...  chrisa   Oct-17-09 09:23 PM   #40 
   Sure  Ardent15   Oct-17-09 09:27 PM   #41 
   Mine  Codeine   Oct-17-09 09:44 PM   #42 
   Not fitting into your "short list" criteria here, but, from my Journal....  PassingFair   Oct-17-09 10:32 PM   #46 
   I'm responding before reading yours so as not to taint mine  tavalon   Oct-17-09 10:42 PM   #48 
   MANY THANKS FOR YOUR RESPONSES, FOLKS  Zix   Oct-17-09 11:03 PM   #50 
   My 5.....  opiate69   Oct-17-09 11:27 PM   #52 
   I identify as progressive.  intheflow   Oct-18-09 12:10 AM   #53 
 

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