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Leftist Agitator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-16-09 12:58 AM
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40. "But I don't see $4 gas ruining us."
Edited on Fri Oct-16-09 01:23 AM by Leftist Agitator
Tell that to someone who works for minimum wage.

Hey, while I'm at it, why don't YOU try to live on a minimum wage salary for a year or two?

You'd make $7.25 / hr and get about 35 hours a week of work. Some weeks more, most weeks less.

Thus, you'd get $253.75 per week. BEFORE taxes.

After, you'd get about $225. And that's an exceedingly optimistic estimate. More realistically, you could lop ten or so dollars off of that.

Multiplied by four, you're talikng a whoppng $900 / month. Actually, a bit less.

How much is your rent or mortgage payment? Electricity? Natural Gas? Water? Sewage? Garbage?

How about your car insurance? And if you have it, health insurance? (though I have yet to find a minimum wage job that offers benefits).

If you own your home, homeowner's insurance, and if not, renter's insurance... How much are either of those?

How much is your grocery bill?

When was the last time that you got a flat, or needed a new air filter or oil filter or some damn thing for your car that cost a few (or several) dozen dollars?

So, when the only assistance offered by the state is a paltry sum in food stamps (i.e. $50 a month or less... certainly less if you're unmarried, young, reasonably healthy and childless, as am I, how the hell are you supposed to pay for all for your obligations?

This is deliberately ignoring credit card debt and the like. I had to destroy my credit to survive. It was pay a credit card bill for food the previous month or eat this week. I chose to not starve.

Oh, and student loans. I have $80k worth. Those will never be paid back at this rate. Not until I find a well-paying position, which is less and less likely as the days wear on. Oh, and when I can't pay, they (the IRS) will take 25% of my salary until I've repaid my debt or am dead. My money (the paltry amount that I have) is on me being dead before I ever manage to pay that debt.

At $9.00 / hr (and I'm one of the lucky ones, all things considered) and about 30 hours a week, currently, I have just enough money to pay my bills. I have no car. I haven't bought a single article of new clothing for four years (including socks. I miss socks without holes in them...) I eat either beans and rice, ramen, or homemade unleavened bread or dumplings every single day. I'd make real bread, but there's nowhere in my neighborhood where I can buy yeast.

Once in a while I'll spring for a can of chicken noodle soup to break up the monotony and get a little more protein into my diet. The last time I was at Dollar General, they had cans of chili marked down to $1.00. I bought one. It was like eating fucking caviar. I hadn't eaten meat in months before then. Aside from chicken in soup, of course. But I digress.

I'm running out of hot sauce, which is going to make my eight or ten meals per week of beans and rice that much more bland. Bummer, but still nutritious.

Now then, do you want to pontificate on how $4 / gallon gas won't utterly destroy our economy, given that tens of millions Americans have found themselves in virtually identical situations to my own, or do you want to reevaluate your previous contention?

The choice is yours.
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  -This will be the final nail in the coffin for the economy... KillCapitalism  Oct-15-09 09:20 PM   #0 
  - maybe not.  Teaser   Oct-15-09 09:24 PM   #1 
  - Speak for yourself -  waiting for hope   Oct-15-09 09:31 PM   #9 
     - Same here...  KansDem   Oct-17-09 12:20 PM   #68 
  - just in time for the winter heating season, too...  dysfunctional press   Oct-15-09 09:25 PM   #2 
  - This inflating the currency idea was bad from the start  AllentownJake   Oct-15-09 09:26 PM   #3 
  - Most of the rest of the developed world has much higher gas prices . . .  MrModerate   Oct-15-09 09:26 PM   #4 
  - They have public transportation  AllentownJake   Oct-15-09 09:28 PM   #6 
  - and have a larger manufacturing base vs service industry  Tejas   Oct-15-09 09:38 PM   #11 
  - The US is the #1 largest industrial base and #3 largest exporter.  Statistical   Oct-15-09 10:12 PM   #23 
  - Can you post a link for this, I'm interested to see what the numbers are.  Arctic Dave   Oct-15-09 10:55 PM   #26 
  - Pre tell. WHAT exactly do we export???? n/t  Fire1   Oct-18-09 05:05 PM   #82 
  - Hmm. I 1) am not sure this is true and 2) don't get your point. n/t  MrModerate   Oct-16-09 12:34 AM   #34 
  - In a number of countries I've lived in with high gas prices . . .  MrModerate   Oct-16-09 12:33 AM   #33 
  - and there are plenty of paces in the u.s. with very good public transit.  dysfunctional press   Oct-16-09 06:17 PM   #58 
     - Portland, Oregon has a good public transit system  Regret My New Name   Oct-17-09 09:25 PM   #77 
  - so does the u.s.- where the demand is there to support it.  dysfunctional press   Oct-16-09 06:18 PM   #59 
  - mass transit & a more generous welfare state.  Hannah Bell   Oct-15-09 10:57 PM   #27 
  - Please see my response to post 6. n/t  MrModerate   Oct-16-09 12:35 AM   #35 
     - "the rest of the developed world," i.e. the "first world," i.e. western europe, japan, canada,  Hannah Bell   Oct-16-09 01:04 AM   #42 
        - Well, maybe Romania is a push. But they have had expensive gas . . .  MrModerate   Oct-16-09 06:14 AM   #50 
  - I don't give a damn how Germans pay for gas, and if the only way "alternative fuel" can succeed ...  imdjh   Oct-15-09 11:05 PM   #28 
  - I'd pay more attention to what Germans (or others) pay for gas . . .  MrModerate   Oct-16-09 12:42 AM   #36 
     - "But I don't see $4 gas ruining us."  Leftist Agitator   Oct-16-09 12:58 AM   #40 
        - Post this as an OP please!  JANdad   Oct-16-09 06:08 AM   #47 
        - I'm sorry you're doing it hard. However, what I said was that $4 gas won't wreck the US economy.  MrModerate   Oct-16-09 06:25 AM   #52 
        - Right there with you  demwing   Oct-16-09 07:17 AM   #53 
        - Been there, done that...  wuvuj   Oct-16-09 07:26 AM   #54 
        - you can make your own yeast batch.  NuttyFluffers   Oct-16-09 08:59 AM   #56 
        - I'd like to see a sit-down between you and that idiot Reich - nt  Tejas   Oct-16-09 06:12 PM   #57 
        - they're called roommates. get a couple and stop yer bitchin'...  dysfunctional press   Oct-16-09 06:24 PM   #61 
           - And where do I put them? In my closet?  Leftist Agitator   Oct-16-09 10:20 PM   #64 
           - give up the apartment...  dysfunctional press   Oct-17-09 11:34 AM   #66 
           - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-17-09 11:42 AM   #67 
           - Well the attitude is lousy  TicketyBoo   Oct-17-09 01:11 PM   #72 
           - it also allows a person to save some money, to afford a place of their own down the road.  dysfunctional press   Oct-17-09 09:23 PM   #76 
           - So, get sued for the $500 / month that I owe on the rest of my lease...  Leftist Agitator   Oct-18-09 04:51 PM   #80 
           - Big pile like hamsters!  Dyedinthewoolliberal   Oct-17-09 12:46 PM   #71 
           - Things were a lot different when you got out of college 25 years ago.  asdjrocky   Oct-17-09 01:59 PM   #74 
              - i got out of college without a job during the 80's recession...  dysfunctional press   Oct-17-09 09:21 PM   #75 
                 - We're the same age.  asdjrocky   Oct-18-09 09:25 AM   #78 
                 - that's not even close to an answer to the question posed.  dysfunctional press   Oct-18-09 08:52 PM   #84 
                 - "do kids now really expect to have it all right out of college?"  Leftist Agitator   Oct-18-09 04:57 PM   #81 
                    - out of work for over a year...why do you still have a one-bedroom apartment that you can't afford?  dysfunctional press   Oct-18-09 08:50 PM   #83 
                       - Well, first of all, I'm NOT out of work.  Leftist Agitator   Oct-19-09 12:03 AM   #87 
                          - of course getting roommates isn't the answer for you....  dysfunctional press   Oct-19-09 09:50 AM   #88 
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     - Yes.  AllyCat   Oct-17-09 12:15 AM   #65 
  - But The Gas Prices Are Different  ChoppinBroccoli   Oct-16-09 12:46 AM   #38 
  - Wrong  Angry Dragon   Oct-16-09 01:00 AM   #41 
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  - They also lack . . .  DeltaLitProf   Oct-19-09 07:17 PM   #89 
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  - Continued dollar weakness will certainly drive oil higher.  tritsofme   Oct-15-09 09:28 PM   #7 
  - Bend over  DJ13   Oct-15-09 09:29 PM   #8 
  - It's all speculation.  dhpgetsit   Oct-15-09 09:36 PM   #10 
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  - What caused it this time? Someone stubbed a toe?  AllyCat   Oct-15-09 11:10 PM   #29 
  - Where does it say anything about $4.00 a gallon? n/t  doc03   Oct-15-09 11:31 PM   #31 
  - I was just about to ask the same question  eggman67   Oct-16-09 12:48 AM   #39 
  - oh ye of little panic  hfojvt   Oct-16-09 01:05 AM   #43 
  - How hard is this to figure out? Oil up $2.40/bbl, Unleaded Regular up...are you ready?.....  A HERETIC I AM   Oct-16-09 01:18 AM   #44 
     - Isn't that actually six tenths of a cent?  Cessna Invesco Palin   Oct-16-09 06:25 PM   #62 
        - I beg your pardon! You are correct. I screwed that up, didn't I? n/t  A HERETIC I AM   Oct-16-09 06:52 PM   #63 
  - It seems like some on DU are hoping the economy  doc03   Oct-15-09 11:38 PM   #32 
  - There does seem to be here an element of delight when things go or look bad  elocs   Oct-16-09 05:57 AM   #45 
  - Some? You mean like the OP, "KillCapitalism"  Cessna Invesco Palin   Oct-16-09 06:19 PM   #60 
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  - If their moon bombs aren't cracking the moon, balloons overflying the Arctic  DainBramaged   Oct-17-09 12:30 PM   #69 
  - If I'm not mistaken  TicketyBoo   Oct-17-09 01:49 PM   #73 
     - I think the peak was more like 145 bucks a barrel, a rise form 75.43 to 77.83 is nothing  Motown_Johnny   Oct-18-09 09:31 AM   #79 

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